23 euro per charge?

lalababa

Just saw on breaking news.ie that Ireland is the most expensive country in the world to charge an electric vehicle. 23 euro per charge. What's this all about??

n97 mini

Fake news.

Night rate (around 9c per kWh) multiplied by battery capacity is the cost for most people. So an Ioniq will cost less than €2.80 for a 0-100% charge.

ESB ecars own most of the public charge points, and they cost €0.

Wildly Boaring

Humour me

If a dope were to buy an EV and go home and charge say a Kona from 10% in the middle of the day on ESB standard rate, how much?

tedpan

Have no clue where they sourced the info, but is clearly total BS.

thelikelylad

lalababa wrote: »

Just saw on breaking news.ie that Ireland is the most expensive country in the world to charge an electric vehicle. 23 euro per charge. What's this all about??

Source: https://www.comparethemarket.com/car-insurance/content/cost-of-charging-an-electric-car-globally/

Based on a Tesla Model S 100D and €0.23/kWh.

lalababa

Naa tis some sort of BS alright.
Sorry according to break news.ie we are like 5th in the world. At 23 Euros per charge. Maybe they are taking total costs.....purchase price + service/repairs + home charging point + whatever your having yourself divided by amount of charges per lifetime of car. Which is some sort of ridiculous way to go about things.
This and the farse on primetime looks like a concerted effort by media conspiracy thing type thing. Ha ha.

unkel

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

Humour me

If a dope were to buy an EV and go home and charge say a Kona from 10% in the middle of the day on ESB standard rate, how much?

Kona has a massive battery, 64kWh. If you charge that up at the standard rate of about 17c during the day, it will cost:

90% * 64 * €0.17 = €9.80

But pretty much all EV owners have a night rate meter, so this would drop down to about €4.60. For this you can do about 450km, so about 1c/km. A very frugal diesel car costs about 7c/km in diesel, or 600% more...

Wildly Boaring

unkel wrote: »

Kona has a massive battery, 64kWh. If you charge that up at the standard rate of about 17c during the day, it will cost:

90% * 64 * €0.17 = €9.80

But pretty much all EV owners have a night rate meter, so this would drop down to about €4.60. For this you can do about 450km, so about 1c/km. A very frugal diesel car costs about 7c/km in diesel, or 600% more...

Cheers
Was doing similar sums for my parents the other day.

Some genius was quoting €5 per 100km at them...
Lot of fake news against EVs out there

jhegarty

I think it's 23 euro if you charge it with lidl brand AA batteries.

NIMAN

How can people spout this stuff unchallenged?

JPA

64kwh car at 0.35c per kwh is €22.40

Is that what easygo charge?

thelikelylad

JPA wrote: »

64kwh car at 0.35c per kwh is €22.40

Is that what easygo charge?

EasyGo charge €0.35 per minute + connection fee so it would be even more. Probably just under ~€29 for an 80% charge on one of their 50kW FCPs.

n97 mini

JPA wrote: »

64kwh car at 0.35c per kwh is €22.40

Is that what easygo charge?

No. Easygo have one DC charge point, in Monaghan, which costs €0.35 per minute. They have a few AC charge points at various locations, which are free.

n97 mini

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

Humour me

If a dope were to buy an EV and go home and charge say a Kona from 10% in the middle of the day on ESB standard rate, how much?

Car is irrelevant. Multiply battery capacity by unit rate. There's your answer.

KCross

lalababa wrote: »

Just saw on breaking news.ie that Ireland is the most expensive country in the world to charge an electric vehicle. 23 euro per charge. What's this all about??

Its a misleading piece. Its based off the official EU stats (eurostat) for electricity prices and those prices are based off the "standard rate" of electricity that the providers charge.

The reality is, no one pays the standard rate. Pay direct debit and ebill and you get an automatic discount and then pick the cheapest provider and you get it cheaper again so the effective rate, which is what they should have used, is about 17c/kWh, not the 23c/kWh they used in their analysis.

And as others have said, most people charge at night at <9c/kWh so half again.

A stupid piece of analysis is all it is and the media lap it up!

The article might as well have said "Ireland is 5th most expensive to boil a kettle in the EU"! But its better for clicks to bring in the EV angle!

tuxy

n97 mini wrote: »

Car is irrelevant. Multiply battery capacity by unit rate. There's your answer.

Won't charging efficiency be 80% - 90% depending on the setup?

thelikelylad

n97 mini wrote: »

No. Easygo have one DC charge point, in Monaghan, which costs €0.35 per minute. They have a few AC charge points at various locations, which are free.

They just opened another site at the Kinnegad Plaza M4/M6. One unit live with plans for three other units.

Gumbo

tuxy wrote: »

Won't charging efficiency be 80% - 90% depending on the setup?

Technically yes, but even as a ballpark just use the capacity by the unit price for some quick maths. It would still be more accurate that the crap RTÉ spit out the other night!

n97 mini

tuxy wrote: »

Won't charging efficiency be 80% - 90% depending on the setup?

Yes. Which is why I said an Ioniq will cost €2.80 or less at 9c a unit. If it was 100% efficient it'd cost €2.52.

bilbot79

I'd say they meant 2.30

unkel

And most EV's usable capacity is a good bit lower than the actual capacity. In many cases about 10%. This cancels out the 10% or so losses from charging and makes for much easier to understand maths

NIMAN wrote: »

How can people spout this stuff unchallenged?

Many people have poor basic maths skills. If someone / something with authority (like a newspaper) gives them a certain figure, they wouldn't really know how to go about checking if the figure is right. They just presume it is.

unkel

thelikelylad wrote: »

Source: https://www.comparethemarket.com/car-insurance/content/cost-of-charging-an-electric-car-globally/

Talk about fake news

That link has Australia as the second cheapest for electricity. In fact Austalia has just about the most expensive electricity in the world

That's why it's one of the few countries where to use li ion batteries as home / grid attached storage makes economic sense.

Sites like that make me very angry. They present something as the truth and many people just believe it in good faith :mad: