Deciding between 2 Golfs

2Mad2BeMad

https://m.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2278483&r=s.php%3Fm%3D93%26o%3D812%26l%5B%5D%3D10%26e%3D20000%26f%3D1%26yx%3D2016%26yn%3D2012%26g%3D2

https://www.joeduffy.ie/volkswagen/used-cars/9748606-volkswagen-golf-hl-1.2-tsi-m5-f-5-dr-110-hp-5/#

I'm leaning towards the 2016 one
But I'm not sure if these models caused any problems I'm pretty much just picking between these 2 based on look and price.

Or should I look at something drifferent.
Car I'm currently driving is an 08auris. I love it it's just really showing its age now.also it's quite slow. I know these 2 golfs would be considered not powerful but there alot quicker then what I have atm. Plus I'm not sure if I'll get much for trade in.

Shefwedfan

You linked a 2015 and a 2014car. Not sure why you mention 2016.

One is from a main dealer and the other is not. Not really a far comparison as main dealers will always be more expensive.

What sort of budget you got?

2Mad2BeMad

Shefwedfan wrote: »

You linked a 2015 and a 2014car. Not sure why you mention 2016.

One is from a main dealer and the other is not. Not really a far comparison as main dealers will always be more expensive.

What sort of budget you got?

18k is my budget.
Sorry meant 15 phone keyboard is to small for my thumbs haha

Shefwedfan

What sort of mileage are you doing? mostly city etc? lots of short trips?

2Mad2BeMad

Shefwedfan wrote: »

What sort of mileage are you doing? mostly city etc? lots of short trips?

Mostly motorway driving during the week. Short trips weekends 15-20k a year

colm_mcm

Jesus, €18k for a 4 year old petrol Golf.

(highline was €23500 at launch in 2013)

Shefwedfan

If you could install a home charge point the GTE might be an option.

https://m.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2145307&r=s.php%3Fm%3D93%26o%3D812%26f%3D3%26g%3D0

2Mad2BeMad

colm_mcm wrote: »

Jesus, €18k for a 4 year old petrol Golf.

(highline was €23500 at launch in 2013)

Think it's 26 to 29k now

2Mad2BeMad

Shefwedfan wrote: »

If you could install a home charge point the GTE might be an option.

https://m.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2145307&r=s.php%3Fm%3D93%26o%3D812%26f%3D3%26g%3D0

Renting currently and lease up end of June so not sure where I stand.

colm_mcm

2Mad2BeMad wrote: »

Think it's 26 to 29k now

Yes, I’ve seen the new prices climbing up in the last few years, these aren’t as high spec though AFAIK. The point I’m making is it’s only €6k less then a new one was (list price) a few years ago.

It’s horrendous value for money in my opinion, but used Golfs and the way they’re priced never made sense to me

Same money would get you this A3 VRTd
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201904157005971?exclude-writeoff-categories=on&price-from=2000&advertising-location=at_cars&year-from=2016&transmission=Manual&price-to=19000&seller-type=trade&fuel-type=Petrol&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&postcode=ln12na&quantity-of-doors=5&maximum-mileage=25000&aggregatedTrim=Sport&maximum-badge-engine-size=1.2&make=AUDI&sort=price-asc&radius=1500&model=A3&page=1

Equivalent is around €33k new here.

Shefwedfan

Petrol is more desirable now than ever so the prices are going up instead of down. Diesel is going down

The GTE looks decent money when you consider they are the guts of 50k new. You should have a slow charger so you could plug into external plug. Also could just run in it hybrid mode, not in PHEV mode.

bazz26

151 1.4 TSi here for slightly cheaper money:
https://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2307095&r=s.php%3Fm%5B%5D%3D93%26o%5B%5D%3D812%26f%3D1%26nx%3D6%26nn%3D6%26yn%3D2015%26yx%3D2016%26g%3D0

1.4 TSi is a much nicer engine than the 1.2 TSi, 1.4 also has cylinder deactivation which makes it quite frugal. DSG is much nicer than the manual gearbox too.

Shefwedfan

If you want to do a price comparison the price via VW dealers and compare

Then price from main dealers

Then price from smaller simi

If your really crazy then price back street Mr click clock garages

drunkmonkey

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Petrol is more desirable now than ever so the prices are going up instead of down. Diesel is going down

The GTE looks decent money when you consider they are the guts of 50k new. You should have a slow charger so you could plug into external plug. Also could just run in it hybrid mode, not in PHEV mode.

He'd be better spend the money on a GTi, R or GTD if he wants a fast golf.
I don't believe diesel golfs are less desirable than the petrol, the used prices don't reflect that. A GTD is worth more than a GTE even though the GTE was more expensive new.

He'll end up not plugging in the GTE so might as well buy a GTI and have all the power all the time and none of the headaches and less depreciation.

bazz26

I'm still waiting to find all these diesel cars being given away for half nothing.

colm_mcm

bazz26 wrote: »

I'm still waiting to find all these diesel cars being given away for half nothing.

Same here. Apparently the values of diesels in the UK have plummeted too.

Still can’t find any of them to buy cheap though.....

Shefwedfan

bazz26 wrote: »

I'm still waiting to find all these diesel cars being given away for half nothing.

??


Was that meant in regards to my post?

2Mad2BeMad

Seems the lads in Joe duffey weren't interested in me when I asked about a trade in against it.
My car been an 08auris fair enough but to just lose interest and walk away from as if I was time wasting quite annoyed over it.
Won't bother looking at cars with them anymore.
He wasn't even interested in letting me test drive it after I asked for one

ml100

They seem to be getting mentioned a few times on here lately, none of it good.

ChuckLarry

2Mad2BeMad wrote: »

Seems the lads in Joe duffey weren't interested in me when I asked about a trade in against it.
My car been an 08auris fair enough but to just lose interest and walk away from as if I was time wasting quite annoyed over it.
Won't bother looking at cars with them anymore.
He wasn't even interested in letting me test drive it after I asked for one

How did that play out if you don’t mind me asking?

You asked about a test drive and he just flat out refused?

Shefwedfan

2Mad2BeMad wrote: »

Seems the lads in Joe duffey weren't interested in me when I asked about a trade in against it.
My car been an 08auris fair enough but to just lose interest and walk away from as if I was time wasting quite annoyed over it.
Won't bother looking at cars with them anymore.
He wasn't even interested in letting me test drive it after I asked for one

I don’t understand this, even at worst in joe Duffy the sellers have an opinion about themselves but normally they just give a ****ty trade in offer

2Mad2BeMad

ChuckLarry wrote: »

How did that play out if you don’t mind me asking?

You asked about a test drive and he just flat out refused?

Got an appointment.
Went in talked to the lad. Ask about trading my car against it not expecting much obviously but if it was close to what I wanted I'd jump at it.
He immediately lost interest saying I'll have to make appointment for you sometine next week so he can get someone to drive it and check it out. It's how he said it with a look on his face.
I then asked about a test drive he said maybe next week as you will need an appointment to test drive it.

So all in all I made an appointment so I could make 2 other appointments.....

Shefwedfan

2Mad2BeMad wrote: »

Got an appointment.
Went in talked to the lad. Ask about trading my car against it not expecting much obviously but if it was close to what I wanted I'd jump at it.
He immediately lost interest saying I'll have to make appointment for you sometine next week so he can get someone to drive it and check it out. It's how he said it with a look on his face.
I then asked about a test drive he said maybe next week as you will need an appointment to test drive it.

So all in all I made an appointment so I could make 2 other appointments.....

Why did you need a appointment to begin with? I just walk in off the street and test drive

2Mad2BeMad

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Why did you need a appointment to begin with? I just walk in off the street and test drive

I enquired over phone about the car and they said they will book an appointment with me think it's a sales tactic. So that was grand I was happy enough going in just wanted to make sure it was still available

easyvision

Was half looking at a 2018 GTD, but the trade in on my 2015 GTD, was 3-4K off what I wanted in joe Duffy really sound young guy though, I’d but there if figured added up, if anyone wants a 2015 GTD, black manual, giz a shout 😂😂 fully serviced via VW, I’ve 2 PS4s in front n all, if keeping will replace with 2 back when needed, great Tyre

Raisins

Shefwedfan wrote: »

2Mad2BeMad wrote: »

Seems the lads in Joe duffey weren't interested in me when I asked about a trade in against it.
My car been an 08auris fair enough but to just lose interest and walk away from as if I was time wasting quite annoyed over it.
Won't bother looking at cars with them anymore.
He wasn't even interested in letting me test drive it after I asked for one

I don’t understand this, even at worst in joe Duffy the sellers have an opinion about themselves but normally they just give a ****ty trade in offer

Went in to Joe Duffy there a few months ago to look at a golf. Had an 07 Focus. I knew it wasn’t worth anything but he raised his eyebrows and said joe duffy wouldn’t let me leave it behind me in the forecourt for free let alone give me anything for it. They’re unnecessarily arrogant in there. Went somewhere else.

The whole atmosphere there - they wouldn’t let you come in and look around without making it absolutely clear to a you in no uncertain terms that they don’t care about your business.

Shefwedfan

Raisins wrote: »

Went in to Joe Duffy there a few months ago to look at a golf. Had an 07 Focus. I knew it wasn’t worth anything but he raised his eyebrows and said joe duffy wouldn’t let me leave it behind me in the forecourt for free let alone give me anything for it. They’re unnecessarily arrogant in there. Went somewhere else.

The whole atmosphere there - they wouldn’t let you come in and look around without making it absolutely clear to a you in no uncertain terms that they don’t care about your business.

Im not fan of Joe Duffy and the sales people do have a certain "you are lucky to be buying from me" atitude


But come on, no need to make stuff up

Hurrache

Which Joe Duffy? We took a look at something in Joe Duffy Select recently and right from the off didn't get a good feeling in the place. 2 guys sitting in their office, one with a customer and the other 2 didn't even acknowledge us, nevermind get off their ass to come out. When the other customer left the guy with him came over. He was grand but couldn't tell us a thing about the history of the car.

Did they used to have an Opel dealership where their Ford place is now at Finglas?

terrydel

Raisins wrote: »

Went in to Joe Duffy there a few months ago to look at a golf. Had an 07 Focus. I knew it wasn’t worth anything but he raised his eyebrows and said joe duffy wouldn’t let me leave it behind me in the forecourt for free let alone give me anything for it. They’re unnecessarily arrogant in there. Went somewhere else.

The whole atmosphere there - they wouldn’t let you come in and look around without making it absolutely clear to a you in no uncertain terms that they don’t care about your business.

That's a very snidey remark indeed. I'd have left in the spot.
Only ever test drove a motorcycle in there and had a good experience, maybe the bike side of things is friendlier.

Raisins

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Raisins wrote: »

Went in to Joe Duffy there a few months ago to look at a golf. Had an 07 Focus. I knew it wasn’t worth anything but he raised his eyebrows and said joe duffy wouldn’t let me leave it behind me in the forecourt for free let alone give me anything for it. They’re unnecessarily arrogant in there. Went somewhere else.

The whole atmosphere there - they wouldn’t let you come in and look around without making it absolutely clear to a you in no uncertain terms that they don’t care about your business.

Im not fan of Joe Duffy and the sales people do have a certain "you are lucky to be buying from me" atitude


But come on, no need to make stuff up

Gimme a break I’m obviously writing that tongue in cheek. He literally raised his eyebrows. That’s not an exact quote (obviously) that was the gist of what he said.

shanec1928

terrydel wrote: »

That's a very snidey remark indeed. I'd have left in the spot.
Only ever test drove a motorcycle in there and had a good experience, maybe the bike side of things is friendlier.

Head over to the motorbikes forum to see errm how ‘Great’ the service or lack of is.

Shefwedfan

Funny for all the complaints about Joe Duffy, they seem to be doing ok!!!!

road_high

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Why did you need a appointment to begin with? I just walk in off the street and test drive

I’d be immediately making an appointment out the door and onto the next dealership that actually wants to do business

road_high

terrydel wrote: »

That's a very snidey remark indeed. I'd have left in the spot.
Only ever test drove a motorcycle in there and had a good experience, maybe the bike side of things is friendlier.

I don’t understand why they can’t politely say to a customer your trade in is worth more to you to sell it off privately and there’s no point trading it in.

road_high

2Mad2BeMad wrote: »

Seems the lads in Joe duffey weren't interested in me when I asked about a trade in against it.
My car been an 08auris fair enough but to just lose interest and walk away from as if I was time wasting quite annoyed over it.
Won't bother looking at cars with them anymore.
He wasn't even interested in letting me test drive it after I asked for one

An 08 Auris would be a doddle to sell on used so long as the price is right. It’s a small Toyota, cheap to buy and run and always popular. Sell it privately and buy new car straight and guarantee you’ll save thousands

Shefwedfan

It makes no difference to Joe Duffy if you are trading in. Unless you have a high end car they can put into showroom and sell themselves. The rest of the time like all the big dealers the car is stuck up on a website and dealers around the country will offer to buy it, they just pass it on.

Whatever is the best price they get from the other garages they pass onto you, now they might take a cut on margin to close the deal but that is up to the salesperson.

So no idea why any sales person would do any of the above, its not as if they have to try and sell the car themselves

Hurrache

Shefwedfan wrote: »

So no idea why any sales person would do any of the above, its not as if they have to try and sell the car themselves

Some guys are either just bad at their job, having a bad day, etc, despite cars selling themselves. In fact because they know some cars will sell themselves, they just don't make the effort or see you as a hindrance. It's just the way it is.

I'm still waiting on a call back from a dealer 3 weeks after initial contact. We've already moved on and bought elsewhere.

A second guy, based on the same enquiry as the dealer who never got back to us, took a car to our house as my wife wasn't returning from a trip until after closing time. The 3rd guy, in a different city, done a lot of leg work for us and kept in constant contact. These 2 ultimately didn't have the car we wanted but were very helpful.

Guys still have to try sell to you.

Toyotafanboi

I don't think you see much of that happening in reality. With any "old", say pre 2008 stuff, the likes of Duffys have the cars coming in standing them <€100, giving the customer a token €1000-1500 for them and just hoard them all up for a month or so at a time and then send them as an unreserved job lot to Merlin Auctions.

You's see very little coming into stock over 10 years old with an actual stock book cost over €100 unless it's something special or that's still desirable used today and to be fair, for stuff like that, most big name franchises have their own outlets for this stuff now, like Kearys Carstore, Colm Quinn Motorstore and so on. It's better for them as it gives them the ability to define their own "trade" prices which should make dealing with older trade in's easier and they aren't letting stock that still has potential profit filter off to traditional smaller traders.

There's no reason or excuse for what the salesman did here bar the fact that an awful lot of salesmen seem to be as rude as sin.

bazz26

The typical order takers from the Celtic Tiger days are back along with a new breed. Same goes with estate agents. No difficult work really need to close a sale again as there is plenty of demand and credit approval is much easier and quicker to get.

Shefwedfan

Hurrache wrote: »

Some guys are either just bad at their job, having a bad day, etc, despite cars selling themselves. In fact because they know some cars will sell themselves, they just don't make the effort or see you as a hindrance. It's just the way it is.

I'm still waiting on a call back from a dealer 3 weeks after initial contact. We've already moved on and bought elsewhere.

A second guy, based on the same enquiry as the dealer who never got back to us, took a car to our house as my wife wasn't returning from a trip until after closing time. The 3rd guy, in a different city, done a lot of leg work for us and kept in constant contact. These 2 ultimately didn't have the car we wanted but were very helpful.

Guys still have to try sell to you.

Based on your post, the first guy was 100% right not to come back to you.

Hurrache

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Based on your post, the first guy was 100% right not to come back to you.

Care to explain why someone arriving to buy a car is wrong to expect to be acknowledged by sales people, wrong to expect to be told the history of a car, wrong to expect a follow up call? He lost a €25,000 sale, no skin off our nose at all.

Such nonsense, you're awfully defensive of them in your posts though. I gave an example of 2 guys who went out of their way to help us, and yet you ignore that and jump on me when I point out the ones that were poor at their job. Not only do you jump 2 feet in on me, but on other posters too. What's up with that?

Shefwedfan

Hurrache wrote: »

Care to explain why someone arriving to buy a car is wrong to expect to be acknowledged by sales people, wrong to expect to be told the history of a car, wrong to expect a follow up call? He lost a €25,000 sale, no skin off our nose at all.

Such nonsense, you're awfully defensive of them in your posts though.

Why did you have 2 guys running around and working out of hours if they didn't have the car you wanted?


How is it defensive? the first guy figured out you wanted to do some tyre kicking and let you off to do it...


The other two poor unfortunealty ended up wasting a load of time and ended up with nothing.

Ask the 3 of them now which one was right, I know which one they will pick

Hurrache

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Why did you have 2 guys running around and working out of hours if they didn't have the car you wanted?

Do you buy the first car you test drive? Do you automatically like the first car you test drive? Do you think we demanded these guys do what they did, or do you think they were just good salesmen?

In fairness I could be in the wrong here not realising that after we have use of a car to see how it suits but we don't like it there was some unwritten obligation we still had to buy it. I obviously misunderstand what test drives are.

Shefwedfan wrote: »

How is it defensive?

It's very defensive as you're literally following the definition of defensive, you're defending, and continuing to do so, someone who you don't know or don't know where they work.

Shefwedfan wrote: »

the first guy figured out you wanted to do some tyre kicking and let you off to do it...

Explain when we bought elsewhere?

Shefwedfan wrote: »

The other two poor unfortunealty ended up wasting a load of time and ended up with nothing

Again probably down to my misunderstanding, I didn't realise salespeople sold cars to every person who walked through their door, be the customer wanting the car or not. I'll need to be careful of that in future, don't want to be forced to sign on the dotted line for a car I never wanted.

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Ask the 3 of them now which one was right, I know which one they will pick

Doesn't take a genius to work that out does it?

So I know for the next time, what are my obligations when going car shopping? Do I have to buy the first car in the first showroom off the first salesman I meet?

Shefwedfan

You don't have to buy the first car, everyone does some tyre kicking......

What I would never do is get some poor guy working outside his business hours to do it, or have some guy running around trying to sell you a car you have no intention of buying....simple manners!!

Hurrache

Shefwedfan wrote: »

You don't have to buy the first car, everyone does some tyre kicking......

What I would never do is get some poor guy working outside his business hours to do it, or have some guy running around trying to sell you a car you have no intention of buying....simple manners!!

Not sure why you fail to understand the basic principle of deciding you don't like a particular car after a test drive, or the other guy not having the car we wanted in the end? For all we know the guy who never called back had what we wanted, but you know, simple manners as you'd say, or lack thereof in this case, meant we'd never find out.

It's pretty obvious business and buying principals I would have thought.

As for the "poor guy", imagine how convenient it would be for all if we lived between his house and the showroom, and he offered to swing by on his way home?

I like to think I'm a convincing guy, but I somehow doubt I have the skills to get experienced salespeople to do something they don't want to do.

2Mad2BeMad

road_high wrote: »

An 08 Auris would be a doddle to sell on used so long as the price is right. It’s a small Toyota, cheap to buy and run and always popular. Sell it privately and buy new car straight and guarantee you’ll save thousands

I would do but I need my car every day for work plus drop and pick up kid from creche. I've no way around that unfortunatly.

2Mad2BeMad

Just an update anyway. I'm positive it's my car that's getting me fobbed off.
Asked several dealers for valuations.
Some main and others semi.
Most weren't interested judging from how unenthusiastic they sounded when I mentioned the car and year.
All over the phone btw so they probably assumed I'm just time wasting.

bazz26

Problem is that main dealers will have very little interest in an 11 year old trade-in. They are not going to retail a car of that age so it can actually be hassle for them to sell it off to the trade (smaller independent dealers) and a car of that value would have little or no profit for them. Also you will never get the best price or valuation of your trade-in over the phone.

2Mad2BeMad

bazz26 wrote: »

Problem is that main dealers will have very little interest in an 11 year old trade-in. They are not going to retail a car of that age so it can actually be hassle for them to sell it off to the trade (smaller independent dealers) and a car of that value would have little or no profit for them. Also you will never get the best price or valuation of your trade-in over the phone.

I know but I'd rather enquire over the phone then show up in person to be told no thanks.
I don't like wasting people's time but I also don't want my time wasted visiting all these places.

Might have to try private sale and get a loan of another car if it sells.

road_high

2Mad2BeMad wrote: »

I would do but I need my car every day for work plus drop and pick up kid from creche. I've no way around that unfortunatly.

Why not overlap? Buy your new car but sell the Auris at the same time. I’m pretty sure it’ll sell very quickly especially if priced right