Network pricing survey

Scottie99

Dear EV Drivers.
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/RJPGNBD
In advance of introducing pricing for the use of the public fast charging network in Ireland later in 2019, we would like to get your feedback on the network and pricing structure.

We would be very grateful if you could take five minutes to complete this online survey and share your views.

Please click on this link to take part in the survey. The survey will be live for one week.

Thank you,

The ESB ecars team

Scottie99

Scottie99 wrote: »

Dear EV Drivers.
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/RJPGNBD
In advance of introducing pricing for the use of the public fast charging network in Ireland later in 2019, we would like to get your feedback on the network and pricing structure.

We would be very grateful if you could take five minutes to complete this online survey and share your views.

Please click on this link to take part in the survey. The survey will be live for one week.

Thank you,

The ESB ecars team

Are you employed by ESB and/or ecars?

Scottie99

samih wrote: »

Are you employed by ESB and/or ecars?

Nope, I received an email this morning. Sorry I should have made that clear..

lotmc

Scottie99 wrote: »

Nope, I received an email this morning. Sorry I should have made that clear..

I got the same this morning. Completed the survey - questions about satisfaction levels / appetite to pay for the service (fast charging only) and recommendations.

postsnthing

Completed mine important to do hopefully our input shapes the decision especially regarding overstay pricing

Dont be at yourself

Got it too. Stressed the need to price fast chargers to discourage regular use by locals who could otherwise charge at home/work or on slow chargers.

unkel

Suggested charge of 50c/minute for fast chargers (>=50kW) and automatic cutoff when charging drops below 15kW

Slow chargers should remain free

Kramer

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

Stressed the need to price fast chargers to discourage regular use by locals

Well, your wish will be granted with unkel's suggestion....

unkel wrote: »

Suggested charge of 50c/minute for fast chargers

:eek::eek::eek:

Sure why stop at 50c/min? Wouldn't €1/min be even more of a disincentive for locals unkel? You rarely or never use the public charging network - why then propose charges to hammer all that are dependent on public chargers?
With extortionate charging like 50c/min, no one will utilise these chargers, there will be no incentive for a private operator to enter the market & it will ultimately be detrimental to EV adoption.

But sure as I'm alright Jack...........

Dont be at yourself

Kramer wrote: »

Well, your wish will be granted with unkel's suggestion....



:eek::eek::eek:

Sure why stop at 50c/min? Wouldn't €1/min be even more of a disincentive for locals unkel? You rarely or never use the public charging network - why then propose charges to hammer all that are dependent on public chargers?
With extortionate charging like 50c/min, no one will utilise these chargers, there will be no incentive for a private operator to enter the market & it will ultimately be detrimental to EV adoption.

But sure as I'm alright Jack...........

Is happily pay €1/min for a robust fast charging network. Still works out far better than petrol or diesel -- unless you're taking the piss and doing all your charging at rapids, which is not their purpose.

unkel

50c/min is fine. A 20 minute quick topup will cost €10

Most of the time you would slow charge at work, at home, at any other public slow chargers. For free or almost for free. Occasionally when you need a fast charger, you will have to pay your tenner. Still a hell of a lot cheaper than having to pay for petrol / diesel.

A charge at Ionity at the moment costs €8, that's an introductory offer, it is likely to go up in the coming years. And that's sponsored / subsidised by a large consortium of auto makers

In my comments to the ESB I said I'm prepared to pay premium money for fast chargers, but I want to see that money go back into maintaining and improving the existing network and I want to see plenty of 175/350kW chargers

Kramer

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

Is happily pay €1/min for a robust fast charging network.

So at a 50kW fast charger (45kW nominal), an Ioniq for example would charge at 0.75kWh per minute.
Best case scenario, an Ioniq averages 15kWh/100km (motorway), thats 20 minutes charging at max charging speed to cover 100kms.
So €20 per 100kms, or 20c/km.
So a return trip from Limerick to Dublin airport would cost €88 in electricity at fast chargers, not including the time & effort taken to stop several times.

In a Kona or IPace or ETron with far worse efficiency, the cost would be well over €100 for such a trip.

Is that really incentivising EV adoption?

You'll save most by charging at home, if you need to use the public charging network you have the wrong car, you've no business with an EV if you don't have a driveway............. yadda yadda yadda yadda.

I really think ECars will have a field day with some existing EV owners suggesting ludicrous fees like 50c/min or €1/min.

daheff

It’s still too early to start charging. We need to produce a proper charging network first to encourage mass EV adoption.

When that’s in place we should start talking about charging. Charge too early & too much and people won’t bother changing over

Dont be at yourself

Kramer wrote: »

So a return trip from Limerick to Dublin airport would cost €88 in electricity at fast chargers, not including the time & effort taken to stop several times.

210km from the airport to Limerick means that a driver may not even have to rely on the fast charging network at all. Destination charging, and perhaps a ten-minute (€10!) pitstop at a rapid would more than cover you, for a trip that most people won't even make on a monthly basis.

Alternatively, price it too low and you may be waiting 30m+ to plug in for that pitstop while the driver plugged in ahead of you finishes their Burger King, window shopping, etc -- that's the real issue, and one that requires a tangible financial sting to get people back to their cars once they have enough charge.

September1

I think Kramer is right, euro per minute charge is reasonable starting point. It is much easier for ESB to drop prices then to raise them, so if there will be not enought customers at this level they can lower charges without an issue. Higher prices could attract more competition as well and provide incentive to grow amount on chargers in lucrative hot spots.

In ideal world price would be driven by demand and vary constantly.

creedp

unkel wrote: »

50c/min is fine. A 20 minute quick topup will cost €10

Most of the time you would slow charge at work, at home, at any other public slow chargers. For free or almost for free. Occasionally when you need a fast charger, you will have to pay your tenner. Still a hell of a lot cheaper than having to pay for petrol / diesel.

A charge at Ionity at the moment costs €8, that's an introductory offer, it is likely to go up in the coming years. And that's sponsored / subsidised by a large consortium of auto makers

In my comments to the ESB I said I'm prepared to pay premium money for fast chargers, but I want to see that money go back into maintaining and improving the existing network and I want to see plenty of 175/350kW chargers

This needs to be addressed as well. Why should someone be allowed to monopolise an on-street SCP for a day or any extended period if time when not charging? IMO on-street chargepoints should not be normal parking places but dedicated chargepoint locations only to be used while charging. In addition, since people seem to be happy to shell out up to €1 per min for an FCP they should be more that happy to shell out a reasonable 20 / 30 cent per KW at an SCP. While obviously not as expensive as FCPs, SCPs have a capital cost and should also be paid for to stop people hogging them unnecessarily. Its so frustrating at present arriving at an SCP and finding an EV or PHEV parked and not charging. Its a very inefficient use of what is a chronically scarce resource.

Gumbo

samih wrote: »

Are you employed by ESB and/or ecars?

We all got the same email.
Anyone registered with eCars I suppose.

Del2005

daheff wrote: »

It’s still too early to start charging. We need to produce a proper charging network first to encourage mass EV adoption.

When that’s in place we should start talking about charging. Charge too early & too much and people won’t bother changing over

I'm not going to buy something I don't know how much it'll cost me to run next year, as I'm reliant on the public network. So bring in the charges and then people will decide if they value time, ICE, or money, EV. Free is not going to bring in people who have to use the public network, look what happens with sales of EV when the taxes are applied in other countries, ax they know that eventually they will pay and want to know how much.