Will there be more incentives to move to Electric Cars

FaganJr

Hi,


After the green wave has hit most of Europe over the weekend, and has absolutely caught the main ( head in the sand parties ) off guard, will we see increased incentives to move to electric.


Or will we just see more tax increases with little or no planning / consideration to the public?


Either way I see it as a make or break Budget in October


Any thoughts?

phill106

I would hope some kind of incentive from the government to push more to ev's and way from fossil fuels is on the cards.


“From 2020 onwards, we’re heading into some pretty major fines for not meeting our obligations,” the Taoiseach said at a briefing with political correspondents.

“I would rather spend money now on meeting our commitments than on fines from 2020 onwards.”


So maybe a little carrot would be better then a stick?
Hopefully.

Alkers

I think the existing incentives are probably about right, what's needed is more investment in the infrastructure as opposed to further incentives to what is already a sound decision based solely on financial aspects.

Mickeroo

I think the incentives are good at the moment, the infrastructure is the main thing that needs improvement from the government's point of view.

At the moment I think the biggest barrier is the car companies themselves over pricing the cars and limiting supply.

Soarer

currently an emissions based tax system.
Our cars are zero emissions.
Ergo, €0 road tax.

Watch the hordes flock to EV ownership.

3DataModem

The cost of fuel is already a massive incentive to those who don't need to do long distances. I think infrastructure will seal the deal, not purchase incentives.

Miscreant

3DataModem wrote: »

The cost of fuel is already a massive incentive to those who don't need to do long distances. I think infrastructure will seal the deal, not purchase incentives.

Cost of fuel is an incentive for some however sticker price is the biggest thing from any conversation I've had with people. Prices need to come down overall before there is a big increase in adoption. I know there has been a big increase in take-up this year but they are more than likely people who see the benefits and are willing to spend 30k on a new car.
The government subsidies are quite generous though, I doubt many countries give a 10k subsidy on the purchase price of New EV.

Dont be at yourself

Further incentives off the sticker price will be absorbed by the dealers.

Better to use the money on infastructure, free tolls, free parking, free motor tax, bus lane usage etc which will benefit the owner directly, and also support the second-hand market.

slave1

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

Further incentives off the sticker price will be absorbed by the dealers.

100%

_ned_

All the incentives in the world won't make any difference unless there is a good supply of reasonably priced EVs available from the manufacturers. Most people buying an new ICE car would be looking at <€30k. Kona/Niro are closer to 40k (if you can get one), Tesla M3 probably 45k+. Leaf40 is ~€30k. Leaf62 no price yet. VW ID3 is 2020 and will be severely supply constrained for a few years. So if you want to run out and buy an EV in the wake of the election, you might have to cool your jets for a while before you can get your hands on a car with reasonable range at reasonable price and that is actually available. We're probably restricted to the Ionic, Zoe or L40 if you want a car right now in the ~30k range.
Big question: how do you incentivise the manufacturers to make EVs available?

Mickeroo

Miscreant wrote: »

Cost of fuel is an incentive for some however sticker price is the biggest thing from any conversation I've had with people. Prices need to come down overall before there is a big increase in adoption. I know there has been a big increase in take-up this year but they are more than likely people who see the benefits and are willing to spend 30k on a new car.
The government subsidies are quite generous though, I doubt many countries give a 10k subsidy on the purchase price of New EV.

The cars cost the same in the countries that don't offer those incentives as they do here with them. They're pointless.

Mickeroo

Mickeroo wrote: »

The cars cost the same in the countries that don't offer those incentives as they do here with them. They're pointless.

Not true. The Nissan LEAF 40 kWh costs "from 38200" in Finland where there are no incentives. The Qashqai is "from 23675.87". Here the prices are 28k for the LEAF and about 26k for the basic Qashqai.

Interestigly enough you can get Kona 64 kWh Comfort for 43k and the Style in 47k in Finland which suggests that the Irish 38k price is iinflated by a few k as the model here is not a really a high spec one. The basic Ioniq is about 37k over there.

The bare bones eGolf is approx 44k in Finland. Can't remember what it's in here.