IBT Question - Bear with me...

seblex

Hi,

Riding bikes all my life. Stopped the riding and now want to go back.
None of this has anything to do with my question.

Booked in for IBT soon.

Rang insurance company to sort out the quote on the bike.
They asked when id like to start the insurance. I said i just need to sort the IBT out and get the cert over to you.

They said they dont need the cert they go on my word.

So my question;

What is to stop anyone simply saying "yeah i have that" and jumping up on the bike. OK im sure insurance is null and void in the event of an accident if you dont have a cert but thats it isnt it? There is no way for it to be checked?

Maybe you need to produce it at test center for full license???

Anyone know the legals?

Thanks!

LastStop

seblex wrote: »

Hi,

Riding bikes all my life. Stopped the riding and now want to go back.
None of this has anything to do with my question.

Booked in for IBT soon.

Rang insurance company to sort out the quote on the bike.
They asked when id like to start the insurance. I said i just need to sort the IBT out and get the cert over to you.

They said they dont need the cert they go on my word.

So my question;

What is to stop anyone simply saying "yeah i have that" and jumping up on the bike. OK im sure insurance is null and void in the event of an accident if you dont have a cert but thats it isnt it? There is no way for it to be checked?

Maybe you need to produce it at test center for full license???

Anyone know the legals?

Thanks!

With insurance it comes down to if you need to make a claim. Just like with modifications. You can say you have none and they won't ask to inspect the bike/car. but if you go to claim and what you've stated while getting the policy is incorrect then your insurance is null and void.

seblex

yeah thought so myself. I just thought with it being a compulsory thing that it would be a document they would ask for.
Business side of it is I suppose they are happy to take your money and void your insurance because you lied on your policy so they dont have to pay out. Win Win for them really

IrishGrimReaper

You need to have the IBT cert on you at all times while you're a learner. As well as learner tabard.

Not sure what happens if you don't have it on you if the guards stopped you and asked to see it; I'm sure they can check the system with the RSA to see if you've actually done it or not; and if not you're going to get wrecked.

For the full test you need to show it to the Instructor before he will let you do the test.

ayux4rj6zql2ph

Had to produce my IBT cert to my insurance company before they validated the policy.

Regarding the test, if you don’t have it don’t them the RSA won’t log it on your file but may still issue a test date, I know with cars if EDT is not done they won’t issue a date.

Either way you won’t be able to sit a driving test without it and will be in hot water with insurers in the event of a claim.

honda boi

Was never asked to show the insurance company an ibt.
Tho When I was ringing for quotes for the missus some wouldn't even give me a quote because she hasn't done ibt. Makes no sense as if I said yes how they gonna know .
For the test I was never asked for it so I'm guessing they have it on the system and know who has it done or they don't care.

galwaytt

LastStop wrote: »

With insurance it comes down to if you need to make a claim. Just like with modifications. You can say you have none and they won't ask to inspect the bike/car. but if you go to claim and what you've stated while getting the policy is incorrect then your insurance is null and void.

Only kinda.

For the purposes of the Road Traffic Act, you're covered: once a Cert has been issued the Ins Co has to honour any claim against it. So can't get prosecuted for No Insurance.

However, as soon as that's done, they'll be after you and all your belongings to claim it back in civil court. Insurance is given on what's called Utmost Good Faith and by lying well.............you're not Good !!

And that's before you get blacklisted by insurance companies and woe betide you ever try to buy any insurance again: car, house, bike.....

galwaytt

seblex wrote: »

yeah thought so myself. I just thought with it being a compulsory thing that it would be a document they would ask for.
Business side of it is I suppose they are happy to take your money and void your insurance because you lied on your policy so they dont have to pay out. Win Win for them really

Nope, they do have to pay out, and then you're liable for all expenses with no protection.

Would you risk your house over bike insurance ??

seblex

IrishGrimReaper wrote: »

You need to have the IBT cert on you at all times while you're a learner. As well as learner tabard.

If you have a full license in a different category you dont need to wear the tabard as you are not a novice on the road

IrishGrimReaper

Do you have a learner permit or a full license for the category you're doing the IBT for?

If you're returning to bikes and hold a full A license that didn't expire I'm surprised the IBT is mandatory.

Xodar

seblex wrote: »

If you have a full license in a different category you dont need to wear the tabard as you are not a novice on the road

Is this 100% true?

seblex

IrishGrimReaper wrote: »

Do you have a learner permit or a full license for the category you're doing the IBT for?

If you're returning to bikes and hold a full A license that didn't expire I'm surprised the IBT is mandatory.

I let my license expire a few years ago. Back on the provo for the bike.

seblex

Xodar wrote: »

Is this 100% true?

Seems to be. I checked a few things out before jumping back on.
1 - I would not be restricted to power (My age helps with that )
2 - As i have a full license in a different catagory i have sat the test and I am not a novice on the road.
3 - Did i have to do IBT even with advanced training previously (Yes i do)

IrishGrimReaper

Then you 100% need to be wearing the L high vis by law. Other categories don't matter.

If you do or not is up to you. I had my L vest on for a few months but it started to get cold so I had a thick high vis fleeced vest I wore instead.

Xodar

seblex wrote: »

Seems to be. I checked a few things out before jumping back on.
1 - I would not be restricted to power (My age helps with that )
2 - As i have a full license in a different catagory i have sat the test and I am not a novice on the road.
3 - Did i have to do IBT even with advanced training previously (Yes i do)

Ahhh, I mis-read the post (or read what I wanted to read).

On point 2 - As i have a full license in a different catagory i have sat the test and I am not a novice on the road - I read that as : If I have a full licence Cat B (car) that I do not need to wear an 'N' tabbard or a 'L' tabbard. Now, on second reading, I'm thinking it means a full licence in another bike category (AM, A1, A2) and the tabbard is not required.


Finally, I now believe it to understand:
If I have a full licence for a car I do not need to wear an 'N' tabbard but I do need to wear a 'L' tabbard....

IrishGrimReaper

It's like this folks, if you're on a learner permit for a particular category and you're using that category bike you need to have an L vest on. your other categories or licenses for a car etc don't matter.

You are seen as a learner for that class of bike.

When you pass the test on that category and you are using that category vehicle you need to use an N vest for 2 years, regardless of other categories or if you have a full license for a car etc for 10 years.

You are seen as a novice for that class of bike.

If you wear them or not it's up to you, but you're overthinking it by adding other factors into it. All that matters is the learner permit for that class of bike.

honda boi

IrishGrimReaper wrote: »

It's like this folks, if you're on a learner permit for a particular category and you're using that category bike you need to have an L vest on. your other categories or licenses for a car etc don't matter.

You are seen as a learner for that class of bike.

When you pass the test on that category and you are using that category vehicle you need to use an N vest for 2 years, regardless of other categories or if you have a full license for a car etc for 10 years.

You are seen as a novice for that class of bike.

If you wear them or not it's up to you, but you're overthinking it by adding other factors into it. All that matters is the learner permit for that class of bike.

I always assumed once you had a full licence for let's say a car since 2012. Go to do the bike test and pass and get your full bike licence tomorrow, that your not a novice .
That's what I gathered reading this on the RSA site :
"A person granted a first full driving licence on or after 1 August 2014 must display N-plates on the vehicle for a period of 2 years, and during that period display N-plates on any other vehicle in respect of which they get a driving licence. Where the vehicle is a motorcycle, the rider must wear an N – tabard."
And
"The novice period applies only once ie someone who holds a driving licence for a category of vehicle and who after a period of two years becomes entitled to drive another category, does not become a novice in respect of the new category."
Now I could be reading it a**e ways but that's how I read it.

Xodar

Think it comes down to the definition of 'category'.

A - Motorcycle
B - Passenger vehicle (car)
C - Van/Truck
D - Bus
.
.
.

Is AM, A1, A2, A categorised as category A...so is A1 considered to be the same category of AM and therefore no bearing on moving from one to the other or is it simply a category B licence (obtained before 01/08/2014) renders the need to wear a tabard unnecessary?

For the record I will be doing my IBT in July and fully intend to wear a 'L' tabard and an 'N' tabard when I pass my test.

seblex

honda boi wrote: »

:
"A person granted a first full driving licence on or after 1 August 2014 must display N-plates on the vehicle for a period of 2 years, and during that period display N-plates on any other vehicle in respect of which they get a driving licence. Where the vehicle is a motorcycle, the rider must wear an N – tabard."

That's the job

IrishGrimReaper

honda boi wrote: »

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I don't think you're reading that wrong, it looks like the way you've said it.

I'd drop an email to the RSA to confirm.

Say you have a full license in a car for x amount of time and just passed your motorcycle test do you need to wear an N vest. I always assumed you were supposed to, not that anyone actually does :pac:. I've never seen one on the road.

ayux4rj6zql2ph

Just to confirm the following, i got my full licence's as follows:

Car 2007
Rigid 2012
Bus 2013
Artic 2015
Bike 2019

I did not have to display an N plate or use an N tabard for the bike as i acquired my first full licence before August 2014, i asked the testers for clarification in 2015 & 2019

Xodar

Kyle Weak Squeegee wrote: »

Just to confirm the following, i got my full licence's as follows:

Car 2007
Rigid 2012
Bus 2013
Artic 2015
Bike 2019

I did not have to display an N plate or use an N tabard for the bike as i acquired my first full licence before August 2014, i asked the testers for clarification in 2015 & 2019

That's exactly what I thought but reading the RSA doc's.

However, I do think riding a bike is immensely different to driving a car and prior to doing the test should have to wear the 'L' tabard? - Is this correct or incorrect

ayux4rj6zql2ph

Xodar wrote: »

That's exactly what I thought but reading the RSA doc's.

However, I do think riding a bike is immensely different to driving a car and prior to doing the test should have to wear the 'L' tabard? - Is this correct or incorrect

On a bike an L tabard must be worn until one has a full licence in their hand, remember, passing the test and having a certificate of competency is not a full licence.

You are correct, each category of motor vehicle is a different skill, it boils my blood when i see car drivers giving out about buses and artic's yet they haven't a clue how to drive them or know the skill involved in driving them, the same car drivers have bees in their bonnets about bikers, again clueless.

Hotblack Desiato

L plate / tabard is required unless you have a full licence for the exact vehicle being driven/ridden. e.g. full A1 but riding an A bike on an A learner permit = L tabard required.

N plate / tabard is only for 2 years after you pass your FIRST driving test, you don't have to have it again if you pass a driving test in another category after that.

Spook_ie

seblex wrote: »

I let my license expire a few years ago. Back on the provo for the bike.

More than 10 years? If not you just renew the license.

http://www.rsa.ie/en/Utility/News/2015/DRIVERS-URGED-TO-CHECK-THEIR-LICENCES-HAVE-NOT-EXPIRED/