Honda CRV Hybrid

Lex Luthor

Not sure if there is any posts on this car yet so feel free to merge if I am already asking a question already discussed

I currently have a diesel CRV AWD and the Hybrid has come on my radar as a possible switch in the next 12 months

However, as good as it looks I am wondering about the technology...reading on the reviews it looks like the batteries don't give a lot of driving on electric power and they are constantly charging and discharging every few mins

I'm not fully up to speed on the battery types and whether they are technologically better than your battery say in your phone, but if this was a phone getting plugged in and discharged every few min I cant see it lasting that long

Any thoughts or feedback?

zilog_jones

The traction batteries in hybrids are a different world compared to a phone, there's no comparison. They are managed a lot better for starters, e.g. it will never charge fully or discharge completely in order to prolong life. A mobile phone battery is just a single cell, which makes it a single point of failure, whereas a hybrid has maybe 40 or more cells depending on the car.

I'm not too familiar with the Hondas, but Toyota hybrid traction batteries usually last in excess of 12 years. Even then, it may only be one or two cells that have failed, which can be replaced at reasonable cost. I still see old Civic Hybrids on the road of similar age, and I know there are original Insights (2000-2006) still out there too.

Lex Luthor

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Lex Luthor

zilog_jones wrote: »

The traction batteries in hybrids are a different world compared to a phone, there's no comparison. They are managed a lot better for starters, e.g. it will never charge fully or discharge completely in order to prolong life. A mobile phone battery is just a single cell, which makes it a single point of failure, whereas a hybrid has maybe 40 or more cells depending on the car.

I'm not too familiar with the Hondas, but Toyota hybrid traction batteries usually last in excess of 12 years. Even then, it may only be one or two cells that have failed, which can be replaced at reasonable cost. I still see old Civic Hybrids on the road of similar age, and I know there are original Insights (2000-2006) still out there too.

ok thanks for the info

I'm just weighing it up at the moment, there are a few things that are factoring in my decision

1. The life cycle of diesel and if I don't move it now I could be left with something very unsellable in 3yrs time

2. My driving - I have changed role and work mostly from home with the odd trip every 3/4 weeks average up/down the country (avg 550km round trips) so not sure if a diesel is saving me by keeping it apart from the fact I have it fully paid off

Car only has 97,000km so still a lot of miles left in it so still a decent car to have for many years but I have this concern regarding diesels

Maybe the petrol version is one to consider?

I'm also really liking the look of the 2020 Subaru Outback so waiting to see what prices will be like on that

Shefwedfan

1. Diesel will still be selling in 3 years time. But it will potentially be a less attractive fuel to purchase. At some stage the tax on diesel will be pushed up to match petrol(+10c) and that will suddenly mean for people in cities a diesel will be an expensive fuel. You have seen a 80%/20% purchase history in terms of diesel, will that swap? I doubt it but more in line with potentially a 50/50.....with the small percentage of hybrids in the makret it could potentially mean your hybrid holds value better.....hard to figure out market as depends on tax on diesel

I do think the one thing people forget is most diesels are manual, all hybrids are auto. The auto market will increase. Manual was a technology 30 years ago when auto was not great. That is gone now and most new drivers will move to auto. Even new tractors now are auto.

2. If working from home are you doing much mileage going to shops etc? like I do 20k km's per year on short trips. If you do the higher percentage of mileage on short trips then hybrid is best option.

If you do little to no mileage and really you only need the car for long trip then keep the diesel. Of course the other option is to go full blown electric. You would suit the requirements and to be honest the Rav 4 and Honda are in the 40k market place anyway so a eNiro would give you a Crossover and range of close to requirements. Save you a hell of a lot on fuel as well

Lex Luthor

not sure the full electric will give me the range yet, some of my commutes are gone & back in same day and I could have a 500km round trip
Having to stop or find an electric point is not something I think would be an option

Most commutes are around the town lately, some hops on weekends could be 30km-50km round trips mostly motorways
But I see my overall mileage in the next year or so significantly dropping with about 5000-6000km being work related motorway miles spread out over the course of the year

Shefwedfan

Lex Luthor wrote: »

not sure the full electric will give me the range yet, some of my commutes are gone & back in same day and I could have a 500km round trip
Having to stop or find an electric point is not something I think would be an option

Most commutes are around the town lately, some hops on weekends could be 30km-50km round trips mostly motorways
But I see my overall mileage in the next year or so significantly dropping with about 5000-6000km being work related motorway miles spread out over the course of the year

I would hold on.....unless you are like me and loves a new car.....the market is up and down like a yo yo. Throw in Brexit and its nto a great time to buy....I wanted to sell my diesel and buy a hybrid but the prices been offered are ridiculously low.....so I am going to hold on....its not like they will go any lower.....


If your car has plenty of mileage then why not hold on for 12 months, the ID.3 will be out. Model 3 will be out, eNiro available, Leaf 64kWh etc....also eCars and Ionity will be finished roll out...


If you are doing 500km in a round trip you are going to have to stop.....even if you do a meeting you will stop on way down and up....2x10 min stops at an Ionity charger will throw a right bit of electricity into the car

kanuseeme

Lex Luthor wrote: »

ok thanks for the info

I'm just weighing it up at the moment, there are a few things that are factoring in my decision

1. The life cycle of diesel and if I don't move it now I could be left with something very unsellable in 3yrs time

2. My driving - I have changed role and work mostly from home with the odd trip every 3/4 weeks average up/down the country (avg 550km round trips) so not sure if a diesel is saving me by keeping it apart from the fact I have it fully paid off

Car only has 97,000km so still a lot of miles left in it so still a decent car to have for many years but I have this concern regarding diesels

Maybe the petrol version is one to consider?

I'm also really liking the look of the 2020 Subaru Outback so waiting to see what prices will be like on that

Have you thought about a plug in hybrid, it will give you the range you need for longer trips and cover your 30km/50 km trips on battery .

As for diesel, I believe that fuel increase's will take some time, as it would drive up costs for commercial vehicles. the one thing that the government could do is put up road tax on private diesels cars, therefore making them less attractive to purchase.

A middle to top spec Mitsubishi outlander will do 45 km on battery and also it has Vehicle to home power option,( did not know that till yesterday).

KCross

kanuseeme wrote: »

Have you thought about a plug in hybrid, it will give you the range you need for longer trips and cover your 30km/50 km trips on battery .

+1
Consider it. It gives flexibility and removes reliance on public charging.
The downside is that mpg will be relatively poor on the long journeys, but if that's not every week overall you should have low fuel costs.

Some options woud be...
Outlander
BMW 330e
Niro PHEV
Optima PHEV
Merc C350e
etc

Just google PHEV and see what you get.

Most of them have <30km EV range. The Niro is probably the longest range of them at around 50km.

kanuseeme wrote: »

A middle to top spec Mitsubishi outlander will do 45 km on battery and also it has Vehicle to home power option,( did not know that till yesterday).

The Leaf has that too but its primarily in pilot/test phase. Its not a commercially viable product for end users to buy yet. Could(probably) be years away.

Shefwedfan

kanuseeme wrote: »

Have you thought about a plug in hybrid, it will give you the range you need for longer trips and cover your 30km/50 km trips on battery .

As for diesel, I believe that fuel increase's will take some time, as it would drive up costs for commercial vehicles. the one thing that the government could do is put up road tax on private diesels cars, therefore making them less attractive to purchase.

A middle to top spec Mitsubishi outlander will do 45 km on battery and also it has Vehicle to home power option,( did not know that till yesterday).

The Outlander will do 30k. I don't think the new model has increased the range either.



Best battery range is the Niro PHEV, thread on this forum about it....


Problem is neither are as nice as the RAV or the Honda

kanuseeme

The Leaf has that too but its primarily in pilot/test phase. Its not a commercially viable product for end users to buy yet. Could(probably) be years away.[/QUOTE]

you are right, from Mitsubishi,

Electricity supply
What is the Vehicle to Home (V2H) power
supply function?
We are still examining legality and other issues.
However, the vehicle already supports this feature that
technically enables energy from the drive battery to be
used to power a home. It requires the factory-installed
quick-charge feature.

page 18. https://mitsubishi-motors.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Outlander-PHEV-MY15.pdf

That would mean that the lower spec model, from Mitsubishi would not have the quick charge option installed.

Lex Luthor

The Outlander doesn't appeal to me in terms of its styling, both exterior and interior, the interior particularly looks a bit bland
I think I'll hold off as Subaru look to be bringing out a mild hybrid version of the outback soon and this could also end up in the Forester