New Dad, marathon training

TedsRevengeP

Hi guys,

I've ran a few marathons but now I'm a recent first time Dad, so I'm looking for advice regarding training for a marathon (Dublin) that has the least impact on home.

I can run from work at lunch Mon to Thurs for 45/50mins max. So we're talking 5/6 miles.

At the weekend I guess there's no avoiding the long run (it'll be my only distance run over 5miles in the whole week), so do that Sun, take Sat off?

Thanks

judeboy101

Tell the Missus you are working to try get a promotion then use that time to run. Trust me you are better staying as far away from new born til they are able to follow simple instructions .

Casey78

I've 3 kids under 7. You can fit it in if you really want to. When Marathon training I do my long runs on a Sunday morning. Sometimes out the door at 5am.
I don't believe anyone who says they don't have the time to run or time to do a Marathon, if you really want to do it you will find the time somewhere. Of course it helps to have an understanding wife/husband but if you are willing to get up out of bed and run early in the morning or late in the evening then it's more that possible to train properly for a Marathon and still help with the kids.
You've only one kid, sure that's no problem at all

Hurrache

With a new born you'll have more time to train than you will for a few years as they get older.

Depending on how the kid is being fed you can use their feeding time to get out, or their nap times.

healy1835

Have 3 kids under 7, been running for about 4 years. I would have done a lot of my Long Runs at 6am of a Sunday morning, found it tough for a bit, but got used to it pretty quickly. Is running in/out of work an option? Or lunch time runs?
Got a running buggy for our most recent addition last year and it's been great. She took to it straight away and I'd regularly go up to 10miles with her. I've seen some on strava go longer than that too. I certainly wouldn't have been able to average 130k for my last marathon block without it!(or the upcoming one I'd imagine).

Hani Kosti

Running buggy might be a great idea however it's not recommended to run with little hoomans until around 4-6m (this is due to head control and possible head injury)
As someone mentioned before, is run to/from work an option? Takes a bit of planning ahead but very doable.
Runs before work or later in the evening might be the solution for you if you need to get the miles in.

Seanie_H

I've one, 18 months old. When she came along all training went out the window. Put on a lot of weight. She slept reasonably well, a dream cold but I really struggled. Struggled with energy levels, slightly interrupted sleep, guilt for taking anytime to myself when the missus was home all day, juggling busy work life and the I'd few hours with also busy friends.

I'm not sure the 'it's easy if you REALLY want to do it' applies to EVERYBODY in this situation. I admire it all the same. For me my want wasn't bigger than the family need. That said, a couple of my mates seriously PB'd in the year after their babies arrived and kicked on since. They thought the routine helped them.

I'm back with some momentum again now. x2 commute runs, x2 weekend runs and another "jam it in somewhere run". My biggest thing lately is making sure I'm solely focused on fewer things. Family, friends, running (targeting weekly mileage) and less work.

Loved Kipchoege's quote after London.
"Asked about his next race, he said: "As usual, I do not chase two rabbits - I only chase one and that was London. I have caught that rabbit so I will discuss with my team what follows. The second option is still open."
https://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/48083112

6run28

Got three small ones myself. My weekend runs just got earlier to be honest. LSR on Sat at 6am back about 9. I remember doing some middle of the night runs when they were newborns but my bodyclock was all over the place

TedsRevengeP

Thanks all.

Yeah I could do a commute run but I think the lunchtime run is the same kinda. Plus I drop to creche on way on and like to try get home before he goes down.

The weekend LSR early is a possibility alright. What kind of prep do people do to put that kind of mileage in that early in the morning?

TFBubendorfer

TedsRevengeP wrote: »

Thanks all.

Yeah I could do a commute run but I think the lunchtime run is the same kinda. Plus I drop to creche on way on and like to try get home before he goes down.

The weekend LSR early is a possibility alright. What kind of prep do people do to put that kind of mileage in that early in the morning?

I used to run 80-90 miles per week while having small children. It usually meant getting up at around 6 o'clock (or 5:30 for a longer run). Weekends were a little bit more relaxed but I still was out on the road by 8 o'clock.

RayCun

TedsRevengeP wrote: »

I can run from work at lunch Mon to Thurs for 45/50mins max. So we're talking 5/6 miles.

At the weekend I guess there's no avoiding the long run (it'll be my only distance run over 5miles in the whole week), so do that Sun, take Sat off?

One longer run midweek would make a big difference - 3 x 5/6 miles, one 10 mile, and the long run on Sunday. Where you fit that in is up to you.

One of those shorter midweek runs should include faster running - intervals, a tempo run, etc.

Depending on where you are in your training, I would say run on Saturday morning too, and if you can, do a faster run on Saturday, like a tempo run, so you start the Sunday run on tired legs. If you can't do that, then add marathon paced miles into your Sunday run. If you can, do both - tempo Saturday and some marathon pace on Sunday - but that depends on what you can manage.

dna_leri

Make a plan for what you will stop doing - there are (only) 168 hrs in the week. e.g. less TV, social media, etc. [5% running time =8.4 hours]
Get buy-in from your partner for your running plan - stick to it, but be flexible.
Don't have regrets.

RayCun

TedsRevengeP wrote: »

What kind of prep do people do to put that kind of mileage in that early in the morning?

Go to bed early enough to get enough sleep, have your running gear ready the night before.

average_runner

A new born is not that bad, just be sure to give the other half a break also. Early morning runs are best and then give her a break when you come back. I used to run at 6am Sunday morning and then take the baby to the zoo to give her a rest.

Its when you have a few kids and they are into sports, then your weekends disappear quickly. We have two kids all of sat & sun morning gone with sports and Sat afternoon will disappear with sports also soon.

Then you will have the birthday parties and just need to spend time with the kids.

Just remember its only running, your not a professional and times don't actually matter that much. Just enjoy it.

average_runner

RayCun wrote: »

Go to bed early enough to get enough sleep, have your running gear ready the night before.

Not all new borns will go to sleep early or sleep through the night, not that simple, plus you don't want to be waking the other half and new born.

StabiloBoss

Casey78 wrote: »

I've 3 kids under 7. You can fit it in if you really want to. When Marathon training I do my long runs on a Sunday morning. Sometimes out the door at 5am.
I don't believe anyone who says they don't have the time to run or time to do a Marathon, if you really want to do it you will find the time somewhere. Of course it helps to have an understanding wife/husband but if you are willing to get up out of bed and run early in the morning or late in the evening then it's more that possible to train properly for a Marathon and still help with the kids.
You've only one kid, sure that's no problem at all

Really needed to see this. Number 2 on the way this week and I've been fretting about how I'll get any running down. Of course I will, if I want to.

TedsRevengeP

healy1835 wrote: »

Have 3 kids under 7, been running for about 4 years. I would have done a lot of my Long Runs at 6am of a Sunday morning, found it tough for a bit, but got used to it pretty quickly. Is running in/out of work an option? Or lunch time runs?
Got a running buggy for our most recent addition last year and it's been great. She took to it straight away and I'd regularly go up to 10miles with her. I've seen some on strava go longer than that too. I certainly wouldn't have been able to average 130k for my last marathon block without it!(or the upcoming one I'd imagine).

Running buggy was something I looked at. I'm guessing though it's only weekend runs? Evenings are out as she'd be gone down?
Something like this where i can take the baby and give my wife a break as well as doing a run, is ideal.

crisco10

TedsRevengeP wrote: »

Running buggy was something I looked at. I'm guessing though it's only weekend runs? Evenings are out as she'd be gone down?
Something like this where i can take the baby and give my wife a break as well as doing a run, is ideal.

well, it is what you want it to be. I work from home a bit, so one of my "squeeze in a few miles" type runs might be at lunchtime with the buggy. And in an ideal world, this becomes naptime too (for my OH and baby!).

But as someone said before buggy running is only a goer from 6 months or so on.

TedsRevengeP

crisco10 wrote: »

well, it is what you want it to be. I work from home a bit, so one of my "squeeze in a few miles" type runs might be at lunchtime with the buggy. And in an ideal world, this becomes naptime too (for my OH and baby!).

But as someone said before buggy running is only a goer from 6 months or so on.

Oh I should have added, he's nearly 7 months now. So he's over 6mths.

Lombardo123

Would be interested in the nutrition side of things for an early LSR on a Saturday morning if i was to do them at 6am.

Not against it but i thought it need to be up an hour earlier stuffing a bagel into my face.

First marathon this year, building up base mileage and i feel good. Finally committing to the four runs a week and seeing progress.

But clueless on the race nutrition side of it.. should i be trialling stuff this early to see what works on my system? Even though the mileage may not warrant it?

RayCun

You don't really need to eat before a morning run.

As your runs get longer, if you start feeling hungry, you could have something more to eat the evening before. Or, yeah, have a quick bagel, if you don't mind eating before you run.

But we're all carrying plenty of fuel for an easy run.

ariana`

TedsRevengeP wrote: »

Hi guys,

I've ran a few marathons but now I'm a recent first time Dad, so I'm looking for advice regarding training for a marathon (Dublin) that has the least impact on home.

I can run from work at lunch Mon to Thurs for 45/50mins max. So we're talking 5/6 miles.

At the weekend I guess there's no avoiding the long run (it'll be my only distance run over 5miles in the whole week), so do that Sun, take Sat off?

Thanks

So many good points made here - invest in a running buggy, run early, run at lunch which you are already doing. .

Personally, i think the most important thing you can do it talk through your hopes/plans with your other half and make sure you have her support and make sure her needs are included too, she will need a bit of me-time even if it's not spent running. If it's routine your partner is a lot less likely to resent it if you come in from work and announce you're heading back out for a run.

When our kids were very small we used to take turns - i'd have 2 evenings a week, he'd have 2 evenings. I'd run early on Saturday and he'd cycle early on Sunday (we still do this)... That way i knew i was going to get certain runs in and anything else was a bonus and we still had family time. We also took turns with being on night duty (well once i finished feeding them we did :cool:).

But every family is so different so you need to work it out together. It'll be ever changing too of course, babies needs change as they grow and Mum/Dads needs might change too as the running bug takes over

Best of luck with it.

EC1000

RayCun wrote: »

You don't really need to eat before a morning run.

...........

But we're all carrying plenty of fuel for an easy run.

This. I often run fasted in the morning without any problem. If you are getting in to long marathon training sessions, then perhaps add in a bagel - I've often had one going out the door - for a slow run there is no need to wait for an hour after eating.

My eldest is 8 and I actually find that things are getting busier with age as they are now into football/hurling/swimming, etc....

Enduro

Lombardo123 wrote: »

Would be interested in the nutrition side of things for an early LSR on a Saturday morning if i was to do them at 6am.

Not against it but i thought it need to be up an hour earlier stuffing a bagel into my face.

First marathon this year, building up base mileage and i feel good. Finally committing to the four runs a week and seeing progress.

But clueless on the race nutrition side of it.. should i be trialling stuff this early to see what works on my system? Even though the mileage may not warrant it?

I can't think of any Training run that you would *need* to eat for. Either its a speed session that will be too short to deplete your glycogen reserves, or a longer slower run where you should be more fat burning. I work on the opposite and try to leave as long a gap as possible between eating and training so as to enhance fat burning adaptations.

rainbow kirby

I have a 3 year old and a 15 month old. Ran Manchester and London in April and also ran London in April 2017 when my older boy was 13 months old. I run commute home from work 3 days a week (stretching one out to a medium long run), do parkrun with the double buggy on Saturday morning and long run with my club on Sundays. I'm slower than I used to be, baby weight lingering and not enough sleep but I need to run to keep myself sane. It's not the time in my life for PBs but I can still enjoy it.

Tigerandahalf

Don't be too worried about chasing pbs when the kids are very young. It is very hard to do hard training if you are only getting 4 - 6 hrs sleep a night.

Some lads might get lucky where their wife breast feeds in a separate room but if she is bottle feeding you will be in a 3am bottle routine.

I found running with a buggy not much fun. Nappies have to be changed. They will whinge and drop something. You would never get going.

For me getting out for a run is a bit of head space. I find once they are in bed works well for me. I often go out between 9 and 10pm. You are sometimes wrecked but once you get out, you get the energy. It also stops you from sinking into the couch and pulling the pringles and the chocolate out.

I enjoyed the last few years running without any pressure for races. Doing the odd parkrun. Going away for a weekend and finding a new one to do can change things up. Run a few trails and greenways. Just enjoy the simple pleasure of running.

Swashbuckler

You're getting lots of different opinions but you already have the answer. You can run on your lunch break each day and you can manage a long run at the weekend. Assuming you're not completely zombified from lack of sleep you have enough in there to train. It might not be the best marathon ever.

That being said what time are you targeting? I might have to revisit my advice of expected paces for tempo/threshold/easy are on the extreme slower end

everest26

Controversial opinion alert...yes, you can fit in the training but really think about whether it's fair on your other half. Having a new born is so tough and you need to be around.
I've seen a few fathers prioritise their hobbies while wives were struggling with small children and it doesn't do a marriage any good. You could keep up the running but a marathon is a BIG commitment. It will still be there next year.

Applegirl26

No babies in our house anymore but we have five children and I've trained for 2 marathons in the past year. Early morning runs are the only thing that works for me. Sometimes these can be ridiculously early if I am working that day and need to fit it in before work.

I need to get up and out before my wolf pack wake up. If my youngest even sniffs that I'm awake he will be up for the day and go wake his brothers. I set out my gear the night before so it's all ready, brush my teeth and I'm gone. When I started running I did try and run at night when they had gone to bed and my husband was there to watch them, but that presented other problems such as being followed and intimidated by the many creeps out there. We were living in a different neighbourhood then so not everywhere might be like that.

What I would suggest is sitting down with your better half and having a chat about it. Make sure she has something for herself like a yoga class or even just meeting her girlfriends on a certain evening each week.

If it was me, I would time my run so I'd be back home in time to catch baby waking and making noise for their first feed. Let your wife sleep on, you enjoy some cuddles with baby, you have your run done. Everyone is happy.

Best of luck with it all.

huskerdu

You will have a lot to fit in each week
- work
- sleep
- household chores
- spending time with the baby
- You and your partner having time for yourself and for your hobbies
- spending time with your partner

It’s possible to fit in the hobbies with some planning once you and your partner work out a plan and you are both clear on the priority your hobbies have compared to everything else on the list, because nothing on that list can be neglected.

partyguinness

I am 40. 2 kids- nearly 3 and 7. I also run my own business so I have a lot of 12 hours days and will be involved with work 7 days a week.

Ran my first marathon 2 years ago when youngest was 10 mts old. Have ran 3 since and hoping for 2 later this year.

The youngest would always wake up around 4-5am for a bottle and this was very useful in getting me up for the long runs on a Sunday morning. I would start long runs at 8-8:30am so it allowed me to have breakfast at 4-5am. Now she sleeps through but I find it harder to get my self up

My running schedule ATM is like this
- Monday 6.30 (with a running club straight from work)- 5-6 miles woodland trails
- Wednesday 7:30 (speedwork sessions on a track- tough but well worth it again with running club)
- Sunday - some events just to keep me ticking over

Now over the next few weeks I will up the game

- Friday-
Option A- 9:30am 5-6 trail run with club and get to work a little later (I have this luxury)
Option B- 7:30pm- long run on my own (10-15 miles which will go up to 20miles)
- Sunday- 8-9am- long runs again 12-13 miles or an event (HM usual)

And then start again on Monday repeat as above. Quite lucky to have a running club close by (not an athletics club) and I get trail runs, road runs and track runs in to mix it up.

As a new father you will find that you will not socialise as much and getting up early will not be an issue as your sleep patterns are ruined now.

shotgunmcos

Applegirl26 wrote: »

I need to get up and out before my wolf pack wake up. If my youngest even sniffs that I'm awake he will be up for the day and go wake his brothers....

Same. I have to go by my watch alarm as the phone one wakes the littlest. Had it set for 6am yesterday morning and the little rascals woke up at 05:55 :mad:

If I successfully negotiate the stair gate the chief injury risk for my running is avoiding 2 creaky steps on the bend of an L shaped stairs!

A sure way to lose brownie point with your better half.
Prepare gear the night before. Avoid Netflix and go to bed early to get up early. No snooze button and a quiet alarm. Check the little rascals are still asleep. Ninja your way downstairs to get dressed. Carefully unlock the front door, listen for little footfall upstairs, all clear, the freedom of the cool dawn air... then bang the door shut!

Great thread!

partyguinness

I saw a real superhero running a few months back. Picture it:

Running with a child in buggy, toddler on his shoulders and a dog on a lease. Bastard.

partyguinness

Lombardo123 wrote: »

Would be interested in the nutrition side of things for an early LSR on a Saturday morning if i was to do them at 6am.

Not against it but i thought it need to be up an hour earlier stuffing a bagel into my face.

First marathon this year, building up base mileage and i feel good. Finally committing to the four runs a week and seeing progress.

But clueless on the race nutrition side of it.. should i be trialling stuff this early to see what works on my system? Even though the mileage may not warrant it?

Well it depends on the length of the LSR.

Yes. You really need to find out what works for you and I would strongly recommend getting into a habit of eating before your LSR

Simple reason is this.

Marathons by and large start at 9-10am on a Sunday. You need to get into the habit of running at this time and getting your body in line. Now, you are not going to run a marathon without fueling hours before hand- well go down that path and see how it works out for you (Hint- not good).:D

So that is why the habit of LSR is kept for Sunday mornings- it gets you used to it. So you will have to get up at say 4-5am have your chosen breakfast and then back to bed for a 8-8.30 kick off.

Personally if I am only doing say 10-11 km I won't bother eating beforehand- maybe a banana. I know from trial and error I can go a hard 10 miles before running out of energy if I have not eaten breakfast.

I have spoken to first time marathon runners this year before London and I just emphasized that fueling is vital and i told runners that they need to start fueling from 5km onwards and regularly and do not under and circumstances wait until energy levels drop- too late at that stage. You have to fuel even if you do not feel like it- one runner thanked me for this advice as it helped her. Like I had said to her beforehand you won't want to but you have to and she did.

Now this is just my personal take and experience on it. Other posters will have different opinions but ultimately you will have to find out yourself what works for you personally. That is what training is all about.

chris85

My story is had first baby last May. Spoke with wife before and she said I should do DCM if able but that we need to be prepared to not do it if parenting gets too much. Being there for the family was top priority. It went well and got fairly consistent training in overall. Some days I didnt get as much sleep as I would want and missed some training runs but overall I hit what I wanted from training averaging about 30-40 miles per week training for DCM which I was happy enough with.

I work a four day week compressed (5 days work compressed into 4 days so longer days). I do 2 easy 4M runs each week in work at lunch and also 1 lunch time I do a gym strength session in gym at work) So this is half of my week's workouts covered in. I then do a longer speed/interval session (about 1-1.5 hours one evening in the week after baby gone to bed (thankfully a decent sleeper overall) and another easy 5M run maybe integrated with Parkrun on a Saturday (and I may run with buggy the odd time but I need to invest in a proper running buggy). The long run is the harder one. While wife on mat leave she was good with me getting out and doing at my weekend so would go out earlier (more as I didnt want to miss time with family so I would get out early and get back for when baby gone down for first nap and we would then do something that day. Now the wife is back in work I actually drive to mother in law who takes baby for few hours and I go run long. This works very well and MIL happy to get some playtime with baby.

Some key things I would say.

• Planning is crucial - Routine Helps - Prepare to Miss the Odd Session
• Ensure the other half is on board with it - Just put marathon plans on ice if not
• Prioritise your time (Run with buggy, run at lunch, run commute)
• A cleaner helps to get household chores done

partyguinness

Sorry OP. I just read again you have ran a few marathons before so you really do not need any advice on that as such- just fitting schedule around newborn.

coogy

TedsRevengeP wrote: »

Thanks all.

What kind of prep do people do to put that kind of mileage in that early in the morning?

For me, the hardest part was always the military operation of attempting to leave the house without waking anyone.......

Once you're out that door, it feels like you've just escaped from Alcatraz.

Returning after a long run to a find everyone still asleep is an even better feeling.......

Applegirl26

coogy wrote: »

Returning after a long run to a find everyone still asleep is an even better feeling.......

Sure is!
I can add to that too, arriving back home after a great long run, and earning some brownie points by bringing my husband up a cuppa with the breakfast roll I picked up for him on the way back. Sure how could he be cross with me now! Ha!

Cartman78

Some good advice here - have a 3 yr old and a 6 yr old myself so running has been juggled about for the last few years.

I've 'survived' on lunchtime runs and being as flexible and opportunistic as possible outside of that - the gear bag and runners are always in the car :pac::pac:

And also be flexible in terms of running plans and targets.

And be prepared for the inevitable influx of bugs and viruses coming your way - be patient with comebacks from illness, better to miss a session or two rather than a week or two.

Casey78

Applegirl26 wrote: »

Sure is!
I can add to that too, arriving back home after a great long run, and earning some brownie points by bringing my husband up a cuppa with the breakfast roll I picked up for him on the way back. Sure how could he be cross with me now! Ha!

I am going to show my wife this post .. she could learn a thing or two from you!

partyguinness

Cartman78 wrote: »

Some good advice here - have a 3 yr old and a 6 yr old myself so running has been juggled about for the last few years.

I've 'survived' on lunchtime runs and being as flexible and opportunistic as possible outside of that - the gear bag and runners are always in the car :pac::pac:

And also be flexible in terms of running plans and targets.

And be prepared for the inevitable influx of bugs and viruses coming your way - be patient with comebacks from illness, better to miss a session or two rather than a week or two.

As a matter of interest do you have access to showers before heading back to work after a lunchtime run?

Cartman78

partyguinness wrote: »

As a matter of interest do you have access to showers before heading back to work after a lunchtime run?

Yep...there's a couple of showers available thankfully.

There's a handful of other runners at work so timing is key some days :-)

Swashbuckler

shotgunmcos wrote:

Same. I have to go by my watch alarm as the phone one wakes the littlest. Had it set for 6am yesterday morning and the little rascals woke up at 05:55

shotgunmcos wrote:

If I successfully negotiate the stair gate the chief injury risk for my running is avoiding 2 creaky steps on the bend of an L shaped stairs!

shotgunmcos wrote:

A sure way to lose brownie point with your better half. Prepare gear the night before. Avoid Netflix and go to bed early to get up early. No snooze button and a quiet alarm. Check the little rascals are still asleep. Ninja your way downstairs to get dressed. Carefully unlock the front door, listen for little footfall upstairs, all clear, the freedom of the cool dawn air... then bang the door shut!

My God it's like reading my life log from 2018.

rainbow kirby

chris85 wrote: »

Some key things I would say.

• Planning is crucial - Routine Helps - Prepare to Miss the Odd Session
• Ensure the other half is on board with it - Just put marathon plans on ice if not
• Prioritise your time (Run with buggy, run at lunch, run commute)
• A cleaner helps to get household chores done

I'd agree with this completely. I deliberately plan my running to work around family things - hubby loves his parkrun tourism so I've had to fit that in too.

TedsRevengeP

Thanks everyone. Some really good info here.

I think I can get 4, maybe even 5 lunchtime runs in. 2 of those can be sessions - intervals or tempo or hills or something. Then the weekend priority will be the long run.

I might be missing a midweek medium long run, but will just see how it goes. I think I'll be able to squeeze one in now and again.

Thanks

gucci

shotgunmcos wrote: »

Same. I have to go by my watch alarm as the phone one wakes the littlest. Had it set for 6am yesterday morning and the little rascals woke up at 05:55 :mad:

If I successfully negotiate the stair gate the chief injury risk for my running is avoiding 2 creaky steps on the bend of an L shaped stairs!

A sure way to lose brownie point with your better half.
Prepare gear the night before. Avoid Netflix and go to bed early to get up early. No snooze button and a quiet alarm. Check the little rascals are still asleep. Ninja your way downstairs to get dressed. Carefully unlock the front door, listen for little footfall upstairs, all clear, the freedom of the cool dawn air... then bang the door shut!

Great thread!

Haha quality, this is my world when i creep out for a morning run. Even when my wife was pregnant I was stealing out one Sunday morning and slipped on the second or third step and fell down the rest!!

Needless to say I woke her, along with probably the neigbours with my cursing and moaning, she actually did have sympathy for me and encouraged me to come back to bed, but i still went out for the run.

I was lucky to only have a bruised butt, toes and ego.

I dont have any particular advice, but this is an interesting topic to see how different people manage. Its all about having your priorities right, and it helps if those priorities allign with your partners/families (different people have different priorities of course)
I am pretty happy to keep my schedule fairly loose and get out when i can, but my partner also understands that my over all mental state benefits greatly from getting out a few times a week.

frash

TedsRevengeP wrote: »

Thanks everyone. Some really good info here.

I think I can get 4, maybe even 5 lunchtime runs in. 2 of those can be sessions - intervals or tempo or hills or something. Then the weekend priority will be the long run.

I might be missing a midweek medium long run, but will just see how it goes. I think I'll be able to squeeze one in now and again.

Thanks

You'll need the 4th or 5th run as I tried a similar approach back in 2015 doing 5 miles 3 lunchtimes a week.
Legs turned to lead at mile 20 as I reckon it was because the LSR was too much of my weekly mileage.

Am back again this year (4th kid in the mix) but I've managed to block off a Tuesday evening for the "medium" run.

partyguinness

frash wrote: »

You'll need the 4th or 5th run as I tried a similar approach back in 2015 doing 5 miles 3 lunchtimes a week.
Legs turned to lead at mile 20 as I reckon it was because the LSR was too much of my weekly mileage.

Am back again this year (4th kid in the mix) but I've managed to block off a Tuesday evening for the "medium" run.

I agree. Now you haven't said how long your lunchtime runs are so I am just guessing 8-10km.

I feel you really should be doing a minimum of two longish runs a week which are more than 10 miles. Say, 10-13 miler on a Friday and 16-18 miles on a Sunday or vice versa in addition to what you are doing. Although I would leave out the lunch run on a Friday if you do a long run that night.

That was a lesson I took from my first two marathons when I ran them in the same time. Didn't take long to realise that if I just train the same mileage I will get the same result.

Added the extra long run on a Friday nights (a min of HM) and a few 20 milers on the Sunday and third marathon time dropped by 20mins plus I didn't feel like I was going to die at the end- I could have managed a bit more. Fueling properly was also vital essential.

Limpy

I use a running trailer for cycling and running. Got it in Halfords. Great peice of kit. I seen on YouTube someone put the child car seat in the trailer and strapped it on. So the child was secure. When they are older then u can just use the trailer.

chris85

Limpy wrote: »

I use a running trailer for cycling and running. Got it in Halfords. Great peice of kit. I seen on YouTube someone put the child car seat in the trailer and strapped it on. So the child was secure. When they are older then u can just use the trailer.

Which one you using? I am contemplating a proper running buggy now and may get one that works as bike trailer if it works as good for Summer months to take some family trips.

Limpy

chris85 wrote: »

Which one you using? I am contemplating a proper running buggy now and may get one that works as bike trailer if it works as good for Summer months to take some family trips.

I have the halfords brand double trailer with running extention kit. Kids are 2 and 5. They fit no problem. Easy to pull on the bike and easy to push as a runner. It's €150 and if you live near a greenway you will be using it alot. If you have AXA insurance you get 10% off I think, they usually have offers anyway.