Does truth matter?

Balf

Can we make up any kind of nonsense, and get away with it?

The example that provoked me

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/expensive-and-challenging-broadband-rollout-will-be-worth-it-1.3884000

Ardnacrusha, for example, cost nearly 20 per cent of GDP, the equivalent of €30 billion today. It could have crushed our fledgling State. Instead, it powered it.

Our national income in 1926 was £154 million.

Cost of Ardnacrusha?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon_hydroelectric_scheme

It caused considerable political controversy as the cost of £5.2m was a large part of the new state's entire budget in 1925 of £25m

Confusing the State's Budget with GDP. Big difference.

Particularly as, in 1925, the State didn't provide free secondary education, or pay unemployment assistance.

Does it matter that its nonsense?

Fr_Dougal

€3bn for broadband is good value. Sure won’t all the moo-cows have Spotify accounts then. We might even have a cow entry for the Eurovision, Vegans love that kinda thing.

Farmers down in Tipperary will be delighted too, no more slow dial up speeds when they want to check how long it takes for a body to decompose.

And sure every pub in Kerry will have live updates from Garda Checkpoints Ireland on Facebook, so the Healy Rae’s will be able to usher the drunks out to their cars when the coast is clear.

Almost forgot! Sure won’t this keep Uncle Denis going for another few years, as a main backer of this project. Great to see him maintain his great relationship with the Government after the Irish Water debacle, or and the O2 kerfuffle/bribery thingamijij.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Maybe it does in somewhere like Norway.

In Ireland No. Born chancers.

Lil Sally Anne Jnr.

No such thing as truth. Just perception. Material reality conforms to our expectations.

Force Carrier

Lil Sally Anne Jnr. wrote: »

No such thing as truth. Just perception. Material reality conforms to our expectations.

And if accepting that you then decide to perceive that there is an external, objective truth. And in perceiving that it becomes reality. Paradox \0/

Ipso

Lil Sally Anne Jnr. wrote: »

No such thing as truth. Just perception. Material reality conforms to our expectations.

Pour some boiling water on your hands and let us know how you conform.

Atoms for Peace

You've opened a philosophical can if worms OP.

I thought this thread was about philosophy. I was going to put on my beret and false moustache and say something quite existentialist that I didn't understand like "There is no truth, mes chéries, absinthe is the only essential infinite".

Oh well. As you were.

ILoveYourVibes

Firstly of course everywhere in the country should have equal broadband and all services beyond that they are equal citizens.

BUT ....

They got ripped off. And or were ripping us off.

Of course everywhere in the country should have equal services.

But govt procurement contracts in Ireland are notoriously stained with corruption and self gain.

The fact that Denis O'Brien WAS THE ONLY BIDDER etc....(also sorry boards.ie if you get sued because i said his name)

We all know what happened there you have read the papers as much as i have. Denis Obrien has in the past received help from a certain communications minister.


People like him should be banned from bidding on govt contracts.

He is part of some dark gang .....i mean HOW HOW is it exactly he ended up being the only bidder? And no one even KNEW it was him heading up the thing at first?

ILoveYourVibes

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Firstly of course everywhere in the country should have equal broadband and all services beyond that they are equal citizens.

BUT ....

They got ripped off. And or were ripping us off.

Of course everywhere in the country should have equal services.

But govt procurement contracts in Ireland are notoriously stained with corruption and self gain.

The fact that Denis O'Brien WAS THE ONLY BIDDER etc....(also sorry boards.ie if you get sued because i said his name)

We all know what happened there you have read the papers as much as i have. Denis Obrien has in the past received help from a certain communications minister.


People like him should be banned from bidding on govt contracts.

He is part of some dark gang .....i mean HOW HOW is it exactly he ended up being the only bidder? And no one even KNEW it was him heading up the thing at first?

Again....sorry boards.ie for saying the name that must not be said

Guys if i disappear for some reason you know THE TRUTH!

ILoveYourVibes

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

You've opened a philosophical can if worms OP.

A can of Denis O Brien!

Bobblehats

Truth hurts!

ILoveYourVibes

Bobblehats wrote: »

Truth hurts!

Not if you are Denis O'Brien you can sue and make money!

Force Carrier

Bobblehats wrote: »

Truth hurts!

You can't handle the truth!

ILoveYourVibes

Force Carrier wrote: »

You can't handle the truth!

Im all thumbs!

Bobblehats

Force Carrier wrote: »

You can't handle the truth!

Too true.

recedite

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

He is part of some dark gang .....i mean HOW HOW is it exactly he ended up being the only bidder? And no one even KNEW it was him heading up the thing at first?

You should have guessed. Whenever the govt. grants some kind of monopoly or very lucrative license to the private sector, the B-Man is there to receive it. Phone operator, water meter installer, broadband installer...you name it, he's the man.

ILoveYourVibes

recedite wrote: »

You should have guessed. Whenever the govt. grants some kind of monopoly or very lucrative license to the private sector, the B-Man is there to receive it. Phone operator, water meter installer, broadband installer...you name it, he's the man.

I know ...with a lil help from his minister friends.:rolleyes: