Ewes bought at mart

Matty6270

Hi. Have a small problem. I bought 10 polly crossbred first lambing ewes back in the first week of March at the mart. They were all scanned

and running with a Suffolk ram and lambing from 17th of March . Ok 2 have only lambed yesterday and 2 more will lamb soon but the other 6 won’t lamb TIll the late may. This is only one problem :mad: next is that the two that have lambed have had two lambs of a bad horned ram. One of the ewes is also a 3 year old. These sheep are no good to me. I have rang d guy who sold them and he said he would call me back. That was 3 weeks ago and now won’t answer his fone.
Any ideas what I can do. I’m not keeping them now. Would h have to give me compensation for nearly 2 months

Young95

Matty6270 wrote: »

Hi. Have a small problem. I bought 10 polly crossbred first lambing ewes back in the first week of March at the mart. They were all scanned

and running with a Suffolk ram and lambing from 17th of March . Ok 2 have only lambed yesterday and 2 more will lamb soon but the other 6 won’t lamb TIll the late may. This is only one problem :mad: next is that the two that have lambed have had two lambs of a bad horned ram. One of the ewes is also a 3 year old. These sheep are no good to me. I have rang d guy who sold them and he said he would call me back. That was 3 weeks ago and now won’t answer his fone.
Any ideas what I can do. I’m not keeping them now. Would h have to give me compensation for nearly 2 months

R u sure the lambs aren’t just by a Suffolk ram when crossed bck with a crossbred ewe sometimes the lambs can come abit scruffy or the odd little horn and that from there mothers side ?

Nekarsulm

I suppose you could ask for the scanners name, but "from the 17th of March" means very little.
End of May is still "from 17th of March".
Mart should have the tape recording about the "running with a Suffolk ram", so you might get some satisfaction there.

Matty6270

Yes they are defo off a scotch horned ram. Also I was talking to the auctioneer and he knows they were announced Suffolk and 17th of March. The auctioneer rang the owner and told him he was wrong and the owner was meant to ring me again last night , but he never called so I am really pissed now

buffalobilly

he sounds like a right chancer to me
if i was you i would drive the arm into
him big time only way to teach these
chancers a lesson

just my thoughts

Bass Reeves

It's an issue for the mart the declaration was made at the mart if it is on record it is for them to sort. It is why you pay a buyers fee. I go back to auctioneer and tell him to sort

Sheep breeder

Did you check the ewes mouths and udders within am hour of purchase. As for running with a ram is no guarantee of pregnancy. The Suffolk ram could be out of a horned ewe.

Albert Johnson

It's a disappointing scenario to be sold one thing and have bought another, however the devil is as always in the detail. There's a difference between running with the ram and scanned in lamb. Running with the ram means just that, a ram was present but no guarantee as to whether the ewe's are in lamb or not, scanned in lamb does guarantee pregnancy and may specify the number of lambs present.

As for the mention of a Suffolk ram it depends on your interpretation of a Suffolk, a brown faced ram with small horns (progeny of a horned ewe and a Suffolk ram) may still be classed as a "Suffolk". Lambing from the 17th of March means lambing from that date on imo so technically they have lambed from the given date. As for first lambing ewes I would also expect to receive only 2 year old ewes but it's always prudent to examine mouths and udders either before or immediately after purchase so any discrepancies can be rectified. Sometimes genuine mistakes occur we're all human in fairness. I would definitely explain my grievances to the auctioneer and to the seller if contactable but it may be left at that. If they live I'd chalk it down to experience and be a wiser man in future.

Donegalforever

Matty6270 wrote: »

Hi. Have a small problem. I bought 10 polly crossbred first lambing ewes back in the first week of March at the mart. They were all scanned

and running with a Suffolk ram and lambing from 17th of March . Ok 2 have only lambed yesterday and 2 more will lamb soon but the other 6 won’t lamb TIll the late may. This is only one problem :mad: next is that the two that have lambed have had two lambs of a bad horned ram. One of the ewes is also a 3 year old. These sheep are no good to me. I have rang d guy who sold them and he said he would call me back. That was 3 weeks ago and now won’t answer his fone.
Any ideas what I can do. I’m not keeping them now. Would h have to give me compensation for nearly 2 months

I think you have a good case. You did not get what you paid for.
You should put pressure on the Mart. It would then be up to them to sort out the matter with the Seller.

Sheep breeder

Donegalforever wrote: »

I think you have a good case. You did not get what you paid for.
You should put pressure on the Mart. It would then be up to them to sort out the matter with the Seller.

But we’re they checked before they were paid for and if not then no comeback.

Donegalforever

Sheep breeder wrote: »

But we’re they checked before they were paid for and if not then no comeback.

There are a number of things in the buyers favour.

They were sold as "first lambed ewes - yet one turned out to be three years old.
They were sold as having been served by a Suffolk Ram. yet ones that have lambed have had lambs that indicate that the Ram was most likely a horned one.
They were sold as having been scanned (and presumably all in lamb).

Apart from one ewe being 3 years old, the buyer had to rely on what he was told at the time of sale.

In my book, the buyer has a good case against the Mart.

wrangler

Donegalforever wrote: »

There are a number of things in the buyers favour.

They were sold as "first lambed ewes - yet one turned out to be three years old.
They were sold as having been served by a Suffolk Ram. yet ones that have lambed have had lambs that indicate that the Ram was most likely a horned one.
They were sold as having been scanned (and presumably all in lamb).

Apart from one ewe being 3 years old, the buyer had to rely on what he was told at the time of sale.

In my book, the buyer has a good case against the Mart.

I'd never buy inlamb ewes because your depending on the word of the farmer which, as they say around here, isn't worth the paper it's written on

Butcher Boy

Donegalforever wrote: »

There are a number of things in the buyers favour.

They were sold as "first lambed ewes - yet one turned out to be three years old.
They were sold as having been served by a Suffolk Ram. yet ones that have lambed have had lambs that indicate that the Ram was most likely a horned one.
They were sold as having been scanned (and presumably all in lamb).

Apart from one ewe being 3 years old, the buyer had to rely on what he was told at the time of sale.

In my book, the buyer has a good case against the Mart.

But the three year old could still be a first lambed ewe,and there was no mention of being served by a suffolk ram only running with him .

Sheep breeder

wrangler wrote: »

I'd never buy inlamb ewes because your depending on the word of the farmer which, as they say around here, isn't worth the paper it's written on

Surely when buying ewes age, udder and springing to determine lambing would be checked to see if correct before bidding. Instead of buying and bringing home and waiting for problems to happen.

Willfarman

A thin dying scuttering ewe came into the local mart. Auctioneer can be heard at low volume”what’s this one Ted?” “An aul ewe”..

GOOD YOUNG FEEDING EWE boomed out across the tannoy!!

Aravo

Willfarman wrote:

A thin dying scuttering ewe came into the local mart. Auctioneer can be heard at low volumeâ€what’s this one Ted?†“An aul eweâ€..

Willfarman wrote:

GOOD YOUNG FEEDING EWE boomed out across the tannoy!!

Yes that happens. But I bet all the bidding was on the basis of what the bidders saw in front of them.
I bet she was bought aswell.

Willfarman

Of course. A fiver! On the issue in hand to be honest I think the op would be better to chalk it down to experience. I see no cause for comeback and the end result is far from a disaster. big oversized dead Suffolk lambs and hardship would of been my fear on the sellers description!