Honda X-ADV

2shea

What's your thoughts on the Honda X-ADV?
Is it a bike or scooter or a bit of both?

Same 750cc engine that's in the nc750x and all the other NC bikes.

Only comes in DCT which I like anyway.

It should keep up with most machines on the twisties, well apart from the 200bhp super bikes.



where is the closest petrol station

I think it's cool. Maybe in a few years when they are cheaper but not at around 8k

Banzai600

just bumping this thread....



has anyone here got one of these XADV bikes ?

H_Lime

What a mad concept. Surprised it made it into production. What is it, an adv maxi scoot on stilts!?

Banzai600

its a 750 DCT engine from the honda NC 700/750 series of bikes.

theyre a big enough yoke, i just want to size one up if i can, as they are very pricey and not that many sold here, never seen one and im on the road 24/7.

they prob better than a maxi scoot considering the prices of maxi scoots like the tmax - stupid money.

GBX

47 for sale in the UK. I wouldnt imagine many if any sold here. Price is tasty.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/bikes/motorcycles/honda/x-adv

Banzai600

yeah was looking, that'll be where im going if i can get one.

H_Lime

Whats the draw for you Banzai?

CJhaughey

Renato Zocchi won the Gibraltar rally on one of them last year, Ohlins suspension and the DCT transmission, I'd say they are a very capable bike.
https://advrider.com/what-honda-x-adv-scooter-wins-2019-gibraltar-rally/

H_Lime

Wow who'd have thunk it, a step through places first in class two Gibraltar rally!

CJhaughey

H_Lime wrote: »

Wow who'd have thunk it, a step through places first in class two Gibraltar rally!

They aren't really a step thru more step over.:D
I had a look at one in Lee MC and I did think it was pretty capable looking.

H_Lime

CJhaughey wrote: »

They aren't really a step thru more step over.:D
I had a look at one in Lee MC and I did think it was pretty capable looking.

Yeah but you do understand every biker buddy will call it a step through:eek::
I'll wait till the hip replacement.

airhead_eire

Oi ! What's wrong with step thru's ?!

H_Lime

airhead_eire wrote: »

Oi ! What's wrong with step thru's ?!

absolutely nothing while they ain't pretending to be something else:pac:

Colm17RvB

Some lad had one outside Bikeworld a few months ago, he wouldn't let me take it for a spin :eek:

Richard tea

My 750 DCT is just shy of 90,000 kilometers. Not one ounce of trouble so far.

galwaytt

H_Lime wrote: »

What a mad concept. Surprised it made it into production. What is it, an adv maxi scoot on stilts!?

As the chassis is modular to the NC, Integra etc, it only involved faffing about with the peripherals: didn't cost Honda a huge amount to create this variant. It's a good idea.

H_Lime

galwaytt wrote: »

As the chassis is modular to the NC, Integra etc, it only involved faffing about with the peripherals: didn't cost Honda a huge amount to create this variant. It's a good idea.

Hey if it's comfy and reliable I got no quibbles with it. Well I do if it ain't got manual gear change but I'm just old fashioned like that.
I could be crying out for one in 30 yrs:)

galwaytt

H_Lime wrote: »

Hey if it's comfy and reliable I got no quibbles with it. Well I do if it ain't got manual gear change but I'm just old fashioned like that.
I could be crying out for one in 30 yrs:)

my left hand cried foul already, so bought an Africa Twin with DCT - you'd love it, believe me.

airhead_eire

I wish DCT was a thing when I had my old Z1300.....

two wheels good

Curious to see photos without the plastics. Couldn't find any online.

H_Lime

galwaytt wrote: »

my left hand cried foul already, so bought an Africa Twin with DCT - you'd love it, believe me.

I won't finance bikes and can't afford one new, so the only way I'll ever own one of them (and I perhaps would) is second hand. But the though of a DCT trans issue scares the crap out of me as a potential non warrenty owner.
I'll stick with my venerable 17yo caponord for the time being. I've ironed out it's many foibles and is a great performer that owes me nothing.
Put up a pic of the @ to lure me:)
Why do you like having an auto? What's the appeal in using one other than in traffic?

Fireblade77

Ya love the concept of the x-Adv 750 , I am looking at the moment, uk obviously,
Just shy of 13k here. New tweeks for 2020 model ,so maybe some bargains later in the year on the earlier model. The first one that came out in 2017 did not have modes drive, sport and off,

Banzai600

the bike from the start when launched had rider modes. small updates in 2018 with G-MODE and some more revs, revised slightly electronics.

but be aware some of the early models from 2017 to Oct 2018 had limp mode issues - the bike would cut out when the chip in the ECU ran too hot - happening toi ppl stuck in traffic, there was a recall in the UK so check it was done - but didnt affect every bike....

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2018/december/honda-x-adv-recall/

you can check here, but you need the VIN
https://www.honda.co.uk/motorcycles/my-bike/maintenance/recalls-and-updates.html

Fireblade77

Honda X-ADV updates for 2018
The X-ADV has undergone changes for 2018 largely centered around electronics and rider aids. The latest model features Honda Selectable Torque Control (HSTC) which is Honda’s torque/traction control.
There are two settings to choose from with default level two designed for road use, and with level one designed for off-road use and allows the rear wheel to spin more. You can also easily switch the torque/traction control off completely.
The 2018 version’s engine has also been given a 900rpm boost with the redline now at 7,500rpm meaning there are more revs to play with in each gear.
There is also a G (Gravel) button designed for off-road riding that gives additional engine braking, especially useful when going down hill off-road. It is the same system used on the Honda Africa Twin DCT models.

This is taken from MCN review of the bike.

Claud 14.7 to 1

Looks good. Fancied one of these big scooter type bikes for a while now as it's simple twist and go but with decent power. Very practical and far easier than clutch, change, clutch, change etc., especially good for town and single carriageway work. Should also be good for motorway work also but sometimes these big scooters are not really great for motorway work, so that would be the only thing I would look out for.

zubair

Claud 14.7 to 1 wrote: »

clutch, change, clutch, change etc.,

You're doing it wrong.

galwaytt

H_Lime wrote: »

I won't finance bikes and can't afford one new, so the only way I'll ever own one of them (and I perhaps would) is second hand. But the though of a DCT trans issue scares the crap out of me as a potential non warrenty owner.
I'll stick with my venerable 17yo caponord for the time being. I've ironed out it's many foibles and is a great performer that owes me nothing.
Put up a pic of the @ to lure me:)
Why do you like having an auto? What's the appeal in using one other than in traffic?

I think you have more to worry about with a Capo than I'll ever have with DCT ! :pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

The DCT box is a traditional 6-speed box: it's the clutch that's the fancy part.

galwaytt

H_Lime wrote: »

I won't finance bikes and can't afford one new, so the only way I'll ever own one of them (and I perhaps would) is second hand. But the though of a DCT trans issue scares the crap out of me as a potential non warrenty owner.
I'll stick with my venerable 17yo caponord for the time being. I've ironed out it's many foibles and is a great performer that owes me nothing.
Put up a pic of the @ to lure me:)
Why do you like having an auto? What's the appeal in using one other than in traffic?

First off, my left hand was killing me with arthritis and other issues, and I do a lot of low speed riding, including on my H-D. ( I can hear the jokes already, lol....)

Surgery is not viable, so I needed to relieve it, and I have an old (dead) Aprilia 500 scooter, so the concept of a 'big bike' without clutch is not alien to me. And, after 12 yrs on the H-D, I wanted to try something else - and auto it had to be. I tried an FJR and didn't like that - it's neither one thing nor the other imho, and if I'm spending that much, I though I'd go for the best. DCT it was to be, and I was open to which bike tbh, but eventually settled on the AT as they're eminently saleable, whereas the Crosstourer might not be, later....

So, I went to the NEC bike show and test rode one. I never had any doubt that out on the open road it would work: but I really wanted to know could you go slow on it: like trials riding, filtering, etc. That test ride proved to me it could, and well.

So I got one :eek:



It's uncanny how clever it is. It does not 'creep' in gear, with hands off the controls or brakes. In 'D' it just sits there. Give it the whiff of throttle and you can feel the (conventional) clutch bite and off she goes, at walking pace or less, if you like. It has full drive response and engine braking, just like a 'manual' bike - the 'box is a std 6-speed bike box as you're used to.

Up and down changes are better than any autoshifter/blipper you've ever tried: it's uncannily smooth. I have a Renault car with the same tech, and VW/Audi call theirs DSG. Invented by Porsche/Audi back in the '80's for motorsport.

In normal road use and even fast road use, it's better at gearchanges then (we) are, so you just ride better. It blips the throttle between downchanges in Sports mode - and hangs on longer on the upshift in Sports mode too

Other cool thing is, if off road........you can't stall it.

I'd actually struggle to ever to back to manual now tbh

Any more questions, fire away.

H_Lime

galwaytt wrote: »

I think you have more to worry about with a Capo than I'll ever have with DCT ! :pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

The DCT box is a traditional 6-speed box: it's the clutch that's the fancy part.

Not my one in her defence lol, shes whipped into reliability and if ridden in anger would show the @ a clean pair of heels on tar I'd say.
A standard capo?... ehh yep, its a bit of a different proposition alright, no argument there:pac::eek:

galwaytt wrote: »

First off, my left hand was killing me with arthritis and other issues, and I do a lot of low speed riding, including on my H-D. ( I can hear the jokes already, lol....)

Surgery is not viable, so I needed to relieve it, and I have an old (dead) Aprilia 500 scooter, so the concept of a 'big bike' without clutch is not alien to me. And, after 12 yrs on the H-D, I wanted to try something else - and auto it had to be. I tried an FJR and didn't like that - it's neither one thing nor the other imho, and if I'm spending that much, I though I'd go for the best. DCT it was to be, and I was open to which bike tbh, but eventually settled on the AT as they're eminently saleable, whereas the Crosstourer might not be, later....

So, I went to the NEC bike show and test rode one. I never had any doubt that out on the open road it would work: but I really wanted to know could you go slow on it: like trials riding, filtering, etc. That test ride proved to me it could, and well.

So I got one :eek:



It's uncanny how clever it is. It does not 'creep' in gear, with hands off the controls or brakes. In 'D' it just sits there. Give it the whiff of throttle and you can feel the (conventional) clutch bite and off she goes, at walking pace or less, if you like. It has full drive response and engine braking, just like a 'manual' bike - the 'box is a std 6-speed bike box as you're used to.

Up and down changes are better than any autoshifter/blipper you've ever tried: it's uncannily smooth. I have a Renault car with the same tech, and VW/Audi call theirs DSG. Invented by Porsche/Audi back in the '80's for motorsport.

In normal road use and even fast road use, it's better at gearchanges then (we) are, so you just ride better. It blips the throttle between downchanges in Sports mode - and hangs on longer on the upshift in Sports mode too

Other cool thing is, if off road........you can't stall it.

I'd actually struggle to ever to back to manual now tbh

Any more questions, fire away.

Very sweet machine, must blag a go of one off a dealer at some stage. If I had the monzo to buy one outright without it pinching the wallet I'd be tempted.

Read what you wrote a couple times there and tbh it's just so alien a concept it seems a solution looking for a problem that ain't there.
In saying that, if I were to ride it that last sentence might be moot. You don't seem prone to confirmation bias based on other bikes not meeting your requirements. Lot of lads swear by whatever bike they currently own.... because they currently own it.

Yeah I'd have to try one to see as at the mo I just don't get it but I accept that may just be because I haven't tried it.

Is there additional specialist servicing for the clutch and associated works? Do the dct give grief and is software an issue with them? I suppose its these issues which scare me.
What's the wind protection like? Are you sat on or in it?
Frontal area looks similar to my old ktm 990 adventure which didn't compare to the old bus for protection.

Fireblade77

galwaytt wrote: »

First off, my left hand was killing me with arthritis and other issues, and I do a lot of low speed riding, including on my H-D. ( I can hear the jokes already, lol....)

Surgery is not viable, so I needed to relieve it, and I have an old (dead) Aprilia 500 scooter, so the concept of a 'big bike' without clutch is not alien to me. And, after 12 yrs on the H-D, I wanted to try something else - and auto it had to be. I tried an FJR and didn't like that - it's neither one thing nor the other imho, and if I'm spending that much, I though I'd go for the best. DCT it was to be, and I was open to which bike tbh, but eventually settled on the AT as they're eminently saleable, whereas the Crosstourer might not be, later....

So, I went to the NEC bike show and test rode one. I never had any doubt that out on the open road it would work: but I really wanted to know could you go slow on it: like trials riding, filtering, etc. That test ride proved to me it could, and well.

So I got one :eek:



It's uncanny how clever it is. It does not 'creep' in gear, with hands off the controls or brakes. In 'D' it just sits there. Give it the whiff of throttle and you can feel the (conventional) clutch bite and off she goes, at walking pace or less, if you like. It has full drive response and engine braking, just like a 'manual' bike - the 'box is a std 6-speed bike box as you're used to.

Up and down changes are better than any autoshifter/blipper you've ever tried: it's uncannily smooth. I have a Renault car with the same tech, and VW/Audi call theirs DSG. Invented by Porsche/Audi back in the '80's for motorsport.

In normal road use and even fast road use, it's better at gearchanges then (we) are, so you just ride better. It blips the throttle between downchanges in Sports mode - and hangs on longer on the upshift in Sports mode too

Other cool thing is, if off road........you can't stall it.

I'd actually struggle to ever to back to manual now tbh

Any more questions, fire away.

@galwaytt , Thanks for posting ,that is a beauty, I even like the colour.

Fireblade77

I wonder is this the same colour,

Claud 14.7 to 1

zubair wrote: »

You're doing it wrong.

What do you mean? I would not really be doing clutchless around town and you're going to have to use the clutch to stop anyway.

Twist and go scooters are far more usable and comfortable for the dense city and traffic jams within the city etc. (slow speeds, less than 30/40 for example).

zubair

I was joking but I go clutchless bar 1-2, wherever I am..

galwaytt

Fireblade77 wrote: »

I wonder is this the same colour,

certainly looks like it: that's a fab looking bike.

galwaytt

H_Lime wrote: »

Very sweet machine, must blag a go of one off a dealer at some stage. If I had the monzo to buy one outright without it pinching the wallet I'd be tempted.

Read what you wrote a couple times there and tbh it's just so alien a concept it seems a solution looking for a problem that ain't there.
In saying that, if I were to ride it that last sentence might be moot. You don't seem prone to confirmation bias based on other bikes not meeting your requirements. Lot of lads swear by whatever bike they currently own.... because they currently own it.

Yeah I'd have to try one to see as at the mo I just don't get it but I accept that may just be because I haven't tried it.

Is there additional specialist servicing for the clutch and associated works? Do the dct give grief and is software an issue with them? I suppose its these issues which scare me.
What's the wind protection like? Are you sat on or in it?
Frontal area looks similar to my old ktm 990 adventure which didn't compare to the old bus for protection.

I don't think getting a test ride should be difficult these days.

I used to be biased : but I'm cured now 😉

Don't get me wrong - I've kept & love my H-D. I also have a (very long time broken....) Aprilia Atlantic 500, not long ago sold my Vespa PX/GasGas Pampera 250 and my GasGas trials bikes too. Kept my RGV though. Spent 20 years riding BeeEmms.

A wide pallette you might say.

The AT isn't perfect : I've lowered it 30mm at the rear/12mm at the front, changed the awful seat. Chain drive is a throwback to me, so added an oiler. Would like to change the bars : back a bit but more specifically the angle. Compared to the H-D it's torque less, but I bought it specifically for the DCT and all the above are small things.

Actually a GoldWing bagger with DCT sounds ideal for me tbh....

https://images.app.goo.gl/Q2RvLXMc9dACuqkE7

Nothing special on the clutch yet, but the DCT has a big sump - uses the oil to drive the clutch actuator.

Wind protection? Compared to my H-D it's like a Rolls Royce.... ...but I kinda sit "in" it, which I like.

H_Lime

galwaytt wrote: »

The AT isn't perfect : I've lowered it 30mm at the rear/12mm at the front, changed the awful seat. Chain drive is a throwback to me, so added an oiler. Would like to change the bars : back a bit but more specifically the angle. Compared to the H-D it's torque less, but I bought it specifically for the DCT and all the above are small things.

Actually a GoldWing bagger with DCT sounds ideal for me tbh....

https://images.app.goo.gl/Q2RvLXMc9dACuqkE7

Nothing special on the clutch yet, but the DCT has a big sump - uses the oil to drive the clutch actuator.

Wind protection? Compared to my H-D it's like a Rolls Royce.... ...but I kinda sit "in" it, which I like.

Reading about them there last night, a few niggles exist for sure (it's made by humans after all) but deffo seems solid. What I don't get is the surprisingly low power output for the class! I expected say 110 to 115 min rwhp but real world 85 to 90 on dynos seems mean. Not directly comparable but my old gal is 20kg lighter and 20 horse up on her, on road that would be felt. Is she breathless when getting on with other raod bikes?
I suppose its more off road centric than the tall rounders from doocati and ktm etc? Do you use her offroad? Myself I couldn't use it on anything other than hard pack, my Dr750 at 180kg is a scary proposition on loose stuff* nevermind a 235kg tall expensive lass like that.

*Im very average offroad:pac:

Fireblade77

Look bikes are gone like the car world , i.e. SUV 's but its a look that's in , X-adv is not for off road use , just the pot holes and bad roads are more manageable .

Banzai600

H_Lime wrote: »

Reading about them there last night, a few niggles exist for sure (it's made by humans after all) but deffo seems solid. What I don't get is the surprisingly low power output for the class! I expected say 110 to 115 min rwhp but real world 85 to 90 on dynos seems mean. Not directly comparable but my old gal is 20kg lighter and 20 horse up on her, on road that would be felt. Is she breathless when getting on with other raod bikes?
I suppose its more off road centric than the tall rounders from doocati and ktm etc? Do you use her offroad? Myself I couldn't use it on anything other than hard pack, my Dr750 at 180kg is a scary proposition on loose stuff* nevermind a 235kg tall expensive lass like that.

*Im very average offroad:pac:

Re the Africa Twin, ive ridden the revised 2018/2019 model for a few days on / proper off road, and there is nothing breathless about them. ive thrown one into a ditch off road , over a tree, into a boulder, they are ***ling unbreakable. A very robust bike.


The DCT is slick, im well used to high powered bikes and the AT with DCT doesnt hang about, plenty of oomph, trust me.

H_Lime

Banzai600 wrote: »

Re the Africa Twin, ive ridden the revised 2018/2019 model for a few days on / proper off road, and there is nothing breathless about them. ive thrown one into a ditch off road , over a tree, into a boulder, they are ***ling unbreakable. A very robust bike.


The DCT is slick, im well used to high powered bikes and the AT with DCT doesnt hang about, plenty of oomph, trust me.

Would love to try one, purely for the dct as Im curious about it feels. Fair dues using one in anger off road, in short I couldn't and if I could I wouldn't as its simply too much cash to risk faking it off the ground. That's just me tho:o

Banzai600

its very precise / smooth for gear changing. Using the manual mode is great, flappy paddle on the bars. You can bang it down into corners no breaking and having it wiggle about. its just fun fun all the way. take a very small bit of getting used to, but once you do, the DCT off road is some craic and you cant stall it, unless it falls over or you fall off.

Fireblade77

I have to laugh , they talk about the adv750 in the UK and say its too expensive.
So at nearly 13k here in ireland , I will be like trying to spot a unicorn.

galwaytt

Fireblade77 wrote: »

I have to laugh , they talk about the adv750 in the UK and say its too expensive.
So at nearly 13k here in ireland , I will be like trying to spot a unicorn.

expensive, yes, but 'too expensive'.........compared to what though ? It's a high quality modern 'bike with lots of very advanced tech, and sells in low numbers.

Some people think that just because it's a 'scooter' that it somehow should be less than a 'proper' motorbike - in reality the tech in that way above a lot of ordinary bikes.

MojoMaker

Even still.....13K :eek:

Fireblade77

galwaytt wrote: »

expensive, yes, but 'too expensive'.........compared to what though ? It's a high quality modern 'bike with lots of very advanced tech, and sells in low numbers.

Some people think that just because it's a 'scooter' that it somehow should be less than a 'proper' motorbike - in reality the tech in that way above a lot of ordinary bikes.

Ya , I totally agree with you, so much so I bought one. I haven't got it yet but will have it in a few weeks, always one to try new technology .

galwaytt

MojoMaker wrote: »

Even still.....13K :eek:

Pick any other bike at that level and it's probably in/around that. My Africa Twin was... €15.5k iirc.

Fireblade77

what I was trying to say earlier was the uk price is quite a bit less expensive than here , with a deal there the price there is 10k euro . So it is 25% more expensive here because no deals to be had ,then add taxes like vrt. ends up expensive in Ireland.

Banzai600

Fireblade77 wrote: »

Ya , I totally agree with you, so much so I bought one. I haven't got it yet but will have it in a few weeks, always one to try new technology .

interested to hear how you get on with it. Wear well.

Fireblade77

I'll let you know.