Guards contacted parents of 18 year old

upinsmoke

Hi Folks,

A friend brother was out in college in Dublin was on a night out and had a few one too many. He's 18 studying engineering there and he fell asleep in a take away. He doesn't really drink and is a lesson learned. Anyway he fell asleep in a take away and gaurds called. He was falling all over the place and gaurds brought him back to the cell and put him to sleep in a cell. He's going to be hit with a 70 euro fine or whatever and regrets the incident. Never really drank before

Now the legal discussion part.

Now what's bothering my friend and the brother is that when he came around sober the gaurds wouldn't let him leave and demanded his parents number to come and collect him. He had ID and all on him to prove he was 18. Friend's brother pleaded to call my friend and not the parents to collect him but the Gaurds wouldn't listen. Friends brothers parents had to come all the way from Roscommon for him.

Is this normal? He was house sharing in Dublin like and could of just getting a taxi home

road_high

upinsmoke wrote: »

Hi Folks,

A friend brother was out in college in Dublin was on a night out and had a few one too many. He's 18 studying engineering there and he fell asleep in a take away. He doesn't really drink and is a lesson learned. Anyway he fell asleep in a take away and gaurds called. He was falling all over the place and gaurds brought him back to the cell and put him to sleep in a cell. He's going to be hit with a 70 euro fine or whatever and regrets the incident. Now what's bothering my friend and the brother is that when he came around sober the gaurds wouldn't let him leave and demanded his parents number to come and collect him. He had ID and all on him to prove he was 18. Friend's brother pleaded to call my friend and not the parents to collect him but the Gaurds wouldn't listen. Friends brothers parents had to come all the way from Roscommon for him.
Never really drank before

Now the legal discussion part.


Is this normal? He was house sharing in Dublin like and could of just getting a taxi home

Fair play to the Gardai I say, bit of common sense in play. This drunken non sense is far too tolerated in our society. They couldn't just release him in that state, they did the right and responsible thing. If he'd ended up in the bottom of the Liffey or hit by a car then they'd be under severe scrutiny for letting that happen.

newbie2

road_high wrote: »

Fair play to the Gardai I say,.....for letting that happen.

Read the post again

TheBoyConor

Your friend's brother needs to just cop the fúck on and stop acting the tit when in take aways.

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Being 18 is no guarantee of behaving in a responsible manner - which your friends brother has shown.

The Guards were right to contact his (presumably) next of kin to collect him, who knows what adverse effects he may have suffered the morning after with a hangover. The drink would not have been gone from his system in just a few hours.

Its a bit like how they wont let you make your own way home after a surgery, because the anaesthetic is still in your system and you could do yourself an injury.

Also I dont believe you are entitled to privacy for breaking the law, so he has no drum to beat there.

If you dont want your parents knowing you have been arrested, dont get arrested.

jasper100

upinsmoke wrote: »

Hi Folks,

A friend brother was out in college in Dublin was on a night out and had a few one too many. He's 18 studying engineering there and he fell asleep in a take away. He doesn't really drink and is a lesson learned. Anyway he fell asleep in a take away and gaurds called. He was falling all over the place and gaurds brought him back to the cell and put him to sleep in a cell. He's going to be hit with a 70 euro fine or whatever and regrets the incident. Never really drank before

Now the legal discussion part.

Now what's bothering my friend and the brother is that when he came around sober the gaurds wouldn't let him leave and demanded his parents number to come and collect him. He had ID and all on him to prove he was 18. Friend's brother pleaded to call my friend and not the parents to collect him but the Gaurds wouldn't listen. Friends brothers parents had to come all the way from Roscommon for him.

Is this normal? He was house sharing in Dublin like and could of just getting a taxi home

Its called intelligent policing.

And we are not stupid either. He didn't just fall asleep. He acted the tit, probably abused staff etc.

If he had just fallen asleep they would have woken him and asked him to move on.

Mr. Incognito

He is lucky he wasnt charged.

Instead he wants to blame the guards.

Take some personal responsibility you tulip.

They didnt break into your house and make you drink.

Markcheese

I do get your point op, I mean if the Garda policy is to release a still drunk person to the "care" of a responsibile adult then should the Gardaí get to pick who it should be?
In saying that I think the Gardaí did the right thing overall, yup its embaressing, and he probably got an earful, and mammy will be freaked out but then don't get so drunk when you're out, that you can't function...

irishgrover

whilst I agree with the sentiment of the majority of posters (ie good job by garda - lad needs to cop on etc), I'd be interested to know about the legal element of this - does a Garda have the right to contact next of kin after after being detained. Even if the individual is an adult and did not consent to same? Any gdpr/ privacy / constitutional / legal issues with the course of action?

seamus

It's pretty routine to release adults into the care of a parent, guardian or similar, if they believe that the person is not in a position (temporarily or otherwise) to take care of themselves. Yes, the Gardai do have the power to do this.

If he had fallen in front of a vehicle with his raging hangover, his friends and family would be blaming the Gardai for releasing him without proper supervision.

He could have sat it out for a few more hours until the Gardai were satisfied that he was no longer a danger to himself. He chose to give them his parents' number instead.

I'm sure it could be argued until the cows come home about whether these Gardai were trying to teach him a lesson rather than protect him. But nevertheless if challenged they will just state that the individual was not in a fit state to be released on his own, and there is no evidence to prove otherwise.

dusty bin

I would have told the Guards I had no contact with the parents, especially if he was living in Dublin and them the far side. What would they have done then? Might be a GDPR issue, but you'd need to ask someone with more legal expertise though.

I wont comment on your friend getting arrested for public drunkeness though, as I'm sure plenty of others will be commenting their 'Holier than thou, perfect citizens attidtude' rather than answer your initial question.

jasper100

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

He is lucky he wasnt charged.

That's the problem here. If he had been charged mammy and daddy would possibly have heard about the court case anyway.

Instead they used intelligent policing, rang mammy and daddy, avoiding him the stress of court, caused him a bit of grief at home instead of public humiliation, but he is still not happy.

In his eyes its all the guards fault of course.

splinter65

dusty bin wrote: »

I would have told the Guards I had no contact with the parents, especially if he was living in Dublin and them the far side. What would they have done then? Might be a GDPR issue, but you'd need to ask someone with more legal expertise though.

I wont comment on your friend getting arrested for public drunkeness though, as I'm sure plenty of others will be commenting their 'Holier than thou, perfect citizens attidtude' rather than answer your initial question.

You mention GDPR could be an issue. Can you enlarge on this?

martingriff

dusty bin wrote: »

I would have told the Guards I had no contact with the parents, especially if he was living in Dublin and them the far side. What would they have done then? Might be a GDPR issue, but you'd need to ask someone with more legal expertise though.

I wont comment on your friend getting arrested for public drunkeness though, as I'm sure plenty of others will be commenting their 'Holier than thou, perfect citizens attidtude' rather than answer your initial question.

In fairness when people comment its relation to why they asked for a responsible adult and that does not include a college friend

dusty bin

splinter65 wrote: »

You mention GDPR could be an issue. Can you enlarge on this?

As I said I'm no legal expert, but rather than Data, they did give out his private information without his consent.

Mr. Incognito

dusty bin wrote: »

As I said I'm no legal expert, but rather than Data, they did give out his private information without his consent.

The administration of justice is exempt from GDPR

Secondly is he really stupid enough to pursue this as a complaint.

Because the Guards have 6 months if they fancy they want to charge him so I'd be very very careful now.

MrFresh

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

The administration of justice is exempt from GDPR

Secondly is he really stupid enough to pursue this as a complaint.

Because the Guards have 6 months if they fancy they want to charge him so I'd be very very careful now.

A charge for what? Sounds like he got a fixed charge penalty. Next step up from that is an adult caution isn't it?

road_high

irishgrover wrote: »

whilst I agree with the sentiment of the majority of posters (ie good job by garda - lad needs to cop on etc), I'd be interested to know about the legal element of this - does a Garda have the right to contact next of kin after after being detained. Even if the individual is an adult and did not consent to same? Any gdpr/ privacy / constitutional / legal issues with the course of action?

It’s this kind of non sense that has the country in the state it’s in. You won’t be able to wipe your arse soon without legal clearanice. As we see with the ludicrous personal injury set up, it’s stifling business

ratracer

Who gave the Gardaí the parents contact number? If he was a coherent sensible adult, the lad could have refused.....

partyguinness

If the drunken clown had left on his own wandered off and drowned in the canal the parents would be first on Joe Duffy saying what a scandal it was that they left him out on his own and demanding justice and a tribunal of enquiry.

partyguinness

Next time bring an application for habeas corpus...

Do let us know how that goes.

SusieBlue

It never fails to amuse me how many people still completely misunderstand the purpose of GDPR.
I heard a woman try to use it as a means to get a refund she wasn't entitled to in a shop last week. The government could really do with sending out leaflets with guidelines at this stage cause a lot of people still haven't the foggiest.

Eric Cartman

your 'mate' is pissed off that the parents had to come down instead of him being released to somebody who wouldnt give him a bollocking, take the scolding and move on. Maybe try not be that wrecked in a takeaway in future.

TheBoyConor

Young fella sounds like an obnoxious spoilt little brat. A bit of shame and embarrassment from this whole fiasco will do him no harm for his acting the fool and goofing off in a chipper.

jasper100

MrFresh wrote: »

A charge for what?

We are only getting the "woe is me" part of the story. You don't spend a night in a cell for falling asleep in a chipper.

MrFresh

jasper100 wrote: »

We are only getting the "woe is me" part of the story. You don't spend a night in a cell for falling asleep in a chipper.

You can though.

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SusieBlue wrote: »

It never fails to amuse me how many people still completely misunderstand the purpose of GDPR.

Its become the go to - IM BEING VIOLATED!!

RoscommonTom

if this is the twit I think your talking about then its not the first time he was at this crack, he needs to cop on to himself before he does some harm and stop blaming every one else every time he makes a fool of himself, I heard the bit about his parents having to collect him so it must be the same fella

partyguinness

Sure the Guard was probably a bogger as well and was just looking after one of his own.

upinsmoke

partyguinness wrote: »

If the drunken clown had left on his own wandered off and drowned in the canal the parents would be first on Joe Duffy saying what a scandal it was that they left him out on his own and demanding justice and a tribunal of enquiry.

OP here and the absolute cheek of ya. He has learned his lesson. He fell asleep in a chipper and didn't assault or abuse anyone. He didn't have much experience with alcohol and has learned his lesson. He's doing well in college, quiet young lad and will be a pinnacle to society when he finishes his Electronic engineering degree as has brains to burn.

Look, he's not getting a solicitor or anything like that and paying the 70 quid fine will be the end of it as he knows he done wrong.

Just wierd the Gaurds wouldn't let him leave without him giving them his parents number. This went on 15 minutes and gave them his brothers number numerous times to collect him but they wanted his parents and wouldn't let him leave without that.

I'm in my 30's, Would the Gaurds ask me for my parents number when I could arrange an alternative lift with someone.

upinsmoke

RoscommonTom wrote: »

if this is the twit I think your talking about then its not the first time he was at this crack, he needs to cop on to himself before he does some harm and stop blaming every one else every time he makes a fool of himself, I heard the bit about his parents having to collect him so it must be the same fella

Nope first time, bit of a coincidence though. This guy doing an electronic engineering degree?

TheBoyConor

No probably not but then you are in your thirties and probably not a complete tool.

Your friend was a pissed up little teenager who should have been at home in bed not strung out senseless from drink to the point that the gardai had to come to collect him. He should learn his lesson from it an suck it the fúck up and get on with life.

upinsmoke

TheBoyConor wrote: »

No probably not but then you are in your thirties and probably not a complete tool.

Your friend was a pissed up little teenager who should have been at home in bed not strung out senseless from drink to the point that the gardai had to come to collect him. He should learn his lesson from it an suck it the fúck up and get on with life.

Yea that's exactly what he is doing like. He's paying the fine, what more do you want? You really sound like a unpleasant unhappy person, He won't turn out like you anyway

TheBoyConor

It's the sense of entitlement that bugs me. Out trying to glaze over his own wrong doing by trying to find fault and transfer blame onto the gardai.

upinsmoke

TheBoyConor wrote: »

It's the sense of entitlement that bugs me. Out trying to glaze over his own wrong doing by trying to find fault and transfer blame onto the gardai.

Will you ever stop jumping to conclusions, he's paying the fine but still annoyed they rang his parents and thats the end of it as far as him and the brother are concerned. He is not trying to shift blame onto the Gardai that he got drunk and fell asleep. He knows he drank to excess and deserved to be brought to the station. but pissed that the Gaurds would ring an adults parents.

I made this thread not him, not evening going to tell them about it. I just thought it was wierd that the Gaurds would ring the parents of an adult when a brother was available

Eric Cartman

upinsmoke wrote: »

Will you ever stop jumping to conclusions, he's paying the fine but still annoyed they rang his parents and thats the end of it as far as him and the brother are concerned. He is not trying to shift blame onto the Gardai that he got drunk and fell asleep. He knows he drank to excess and deserved to be brought to the station. but pissed that the Gaurds would ring an adults parents.

I made this thread not him, not evening going to tell them about it. I just thought it was wierd that the Gaurds would ring the parents of an adult when a brother was available

he's pissed they rang the parents because the brother wouldnt have called him out for being a bit of an idiot.

jasper100

upinsmoke wrote: »

Will you ever stop jumping to conclusions, he's paying the fine but still annoyed they rang his parents and thats the end of it as far as him and the brother are concerned. He is not trying to shift blame onto the Gardai that he got drunk and fell asleep. He knows he drank to excess and deserved to be brought to the station. but pissed that the Gaurds would ring an adults parents.

I made this thread not him, not evening going to tell them about it. I just thought it was wierd that the Gaurds would ring the parents of an adult when a brother was available

Seriously, do you think the guards never came across this before?

Ringing the parents is the better option, better chance of teaching the clowns a lesson.

He could have sat it out in the cell if he didn't like the option of giving his parents number to him. Nobody forced him to do it.

The guards would have released him eventually anyway.

TheBoyConor

Well if that is the end of it then why are you even posting?

He has no right to be annoyed anyway. He made an absolute nuisance and fool out of himself. What about the other people he annoyed? The Gardai, the chipper staff, the customers, his parents to had to come pick him up.

splinter65

dusty bin wrote: »

As I said I'm no legal expert, but rather than Data, they did give out his private information without his consent.

They asked him for his parents contact number and he gave it to them. The guards then rang his parents. Where is the GDPR breach?

partyguinness

upinsmoke wrote: »

OP here and the absolute cheek of ya. He has learned his lesson. He fell asleep in a chipper and didn't assault or abuse anyone. He didn't have much experience with alcohol and has learned his lesson. He's doing well in college, quiet young lad and will be a pinnacle to society when he finishes his Electronic engineering degree as has brains to burn.

Look, he's not getting a solicitor or anything like that and paying the 70 quid fine will be the end of it as he knows he done wrong.

Just wierd the Gaurds wouldn't let him leave without him giving them his parents number. This went on 15 minutes and gave them his brothers number numerous times to collect him but they wanted his parents and wouldn't let him leave without that.

I'm in my 30's, Would the Gaurds ask me for my parents number when I could arrange an alternative lift with someone.

As a matter of interest, were you there?

If not then are you just taking the word of a pissed up teenage student who fell asleep in a chipper? His memory of events is probably not the clearest so he may well have been an obnoxious awkward prick before falling sleep.

B_ecke_r

God ya'd swear none of us had a few too many at 18

OP - don't even bother mate.

partyguinness

The Guards used the number as supplied by the pisshead. The data was properly processed. I can't believe we are discussing GDPR.

upinsmoke

TheBoyConor wrote: »

Well if that is the end of it then why are you even posting?

He has no right to be annoyed anyway. He made an absolute nuisance and fool out of himself. What about the other people he annoyed? The Gardai, the chipper staff, the customers, his parents to had to come pick him up.

You don't live in the real world do you?

And I'm out!!

Robbo

Moderation: I really don't see the point in this thread continuing as it's just descended into bickering.