Kerry to Dublin every week

mrhappy42

Any EV can bring me from Kerry to Dublin every week. Over 300k for one way.
So not just distance but also a lot of ks per year.

I drive 2nd hand cars as the value depreciates a lot over that distance but will to look at any option except for the train which I hate. Did it for years.

Mickeroo

Hyundai Kona is the only option really but it's over priced at 39k after grants. With your mileage it's possible you'd make the price back fairly quickly in savings on fuel though. Next car up is the likes of the Jaguar i-Pace and Teslas which are even crazier money.

Anything cheaper and you're relying on the charging network to get you there so I wouldn't even consider it when you do the trip with that regularity.

My advice is wait a year or two and see what the new EVs coming on the market in the near future are like, might be possible to get a 2nd Kona at that point too.

mrhappy42

Will do. Thank you.

Once you have dedicated charging point at both ends any of the current/coming in 2020 60 kWh class cars will probably be fine for your use case. So Kona/Niro/LEAF/VW ID/SEAT el-born/Skoda. And then of course Tesla Model 3.

I would definitely keep an eye on the developments on the VAG triplets as there will be many models coming from VW group over the next year.

Sabre Man

A Tesla Model S will do that easily and comfortably. Using Autopilot you'll be more refreshed at arrival compared to other cars. Just one stop at Ballacolla for 30-45 minutes should do, provided you can charge in Dublin and Kerry.

A used Model S isn't exactly cheap but if you drive between Dublin and Kerry every week that's probably costing you a fair bit of money that you could save by switching to an EV.

Casati

Sabre Man wrote: »

A Tesla Model S will do that easily and comfortably. Using Autopilot you'll be more refreshed at arrival compared to other cars. Just one stop at Ballacolla for 30-45 minutes should do, provided you can charge in Dublin and Kerry.

A used Model S isn't exactly cheap but if you drive between Dublin and Kerry every week that's probably costing you a fair bit of money that you could save by switching to an EV.

Surely you’d get 300km motorway miles without having to stop each way?


I do Kerry to Dublin almost weekly or indeed twice a week so I’d love an ev to save on fuel but I can’t see it working as won’t always have destination charging eg this Sunday I’m going to Dublin airport and back next week. I presume you can’t leave a car at a charging station for the week??

Gumbo

Casati wrote: »

Surely you’d get 300km motorway miles without having to stop each way?


I do Kerry to Dublin almost weekly or indeed twice a week so I’d love an ev to save on fuel but I can’t see it working as won’t always have destination charging eg this Sunday I’m going to Dublin airport and back next week. I presume you can’t leave a car at a charging station for the week??

Dublin Airport has slow chargers in the car park.
Around the airport also have them, I believe (but cant confirm) that the staff there will move the car once fully charged.

Other option, is drop the Tesla to me. I'm 10 mins from the Airport. i'll mind it and pick you up with a full battery on your return

Sabre Man

Casati wrote: »

Surely you’d get 300km motorway miles without having to stop each way?

You do.

Whether you'd need to stop for a charge depends on where in Kerry you're going to. You'd probably want to stop for a bathroom break anyway, so you might as well combine it with some charging.

Casati

Sabre Man wrote: »

You do.

Whether you'd need to stop for a charge depends on where in Kerry you're going to. You'd probably want to stop for a bathroom break anyway, so you might as well combine it with some charging.

I’ll hold out for the super long range Kona, presume it will be launched next year!

unkel

Casati wrote: »

I’ll hold out for the super long range Kona, presume it will be launched next year!

Eh? It went on sale last year. 450km WLTP (real life) range

eNiro is out now too. Same setup, full size bigger, similar price, better spec.

Gumbo

Casati wrote: »

I’ll hold out for the super long range Kona, presume it will be launched next year!

Hello 2017!

Meanwhile in 2019, it’s already available

Idbatterim

i am a big ev fan. I’d be going for a diesel though, unless you can get there without charging ...

What are you currently driving ?

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows/mg-ezs-electric-suv-go-sale-uk-autumn

This would be close to your required range or might even make it and likely a lot cheaper than any alternative

redlead

Casati wrote: »

I presume you can’t leave a car at a charging station for the week??

If you use the quick park car park you pay extra and leave your car with them. They have it full for you when you get back. It's just across the road from the red car park so very convenient. I don't know how much extra it is but presumably is still good value when compared to a tank of petrol.

Casati

kceire wrote: »

Hello 2017!

Meanwhile in 2019, it’s already available

Why do you think they will stop at 450km? If they had a 600km for a few grand more it would really differentiate them

unkel

Tesla Model 3 Long Range has 554km WLPT

Start saving some money Casati

slave1

Casati wrote: »

Why do you think they will stop at 450km? If they had a 600km for a few grand more it would really differentiate them

There will be a stop point, more range requires more battery, more battery = more weight, more weight = less range.
There has to be a point where the increase in range is cancelled (or economically/effectively cancelled) by battery weight.

I don't know this point...but it exists

unkel

slave1 wrote: »

more weight = less range

Not really. Once you reach a constant speed, weight has no bearing on energy used per km. Except a marginally increased rolling resistance, but that's barely material

The reason cars will not get ever bigger batteries is that they don't need them. A normal family diesel car does not have a 200l tank either, so why would a normal family EV need a 200kWh battery?

Charging infrastructure is key.

Johnboy1951

unkel wrote: »

Not really. Once you reach a constant speed, weight has no bearing on energy used per km. Except a marginally increased rolling resistance, but that's barely material

The reason cars will not get ever bigger batteries is that they don't need them. A normal family diesel car does not have a 200l tank either, so why would a normal family EV need a 200kWh battery?

Charging infrastructure is key.

It is a big shift in use to have to refuel every day as opposed to once per week.

That is a point that I have rarely seen mentioned.
Couple that to the present range anxiety and you have serious resistance to EVs presently.

Of course if the battery could hold sufficient charge for a week's worth of driving then that would all disappear.

So ~1,000 Kms of battery range is the real sweet spot for present day usage norms, IMO.
EDIT: Probably 600 Kms would do the vast majority if the charge network is up to scratch

On the other hand you could try force people to change their decades old habits and charge daily ..... or at least more often per week.

As I see it there would be (is?) serious resistance to such a change, which even with a much improved charging network will not be easily overcome, although it will help.

Gumbo

Casati wrote: »

Why do you think they will stop at 450km? If they had a 600km for a few grand more it would really differentiate them

I didn’t say manufacturers would stop. You mentioned that the long range Kona was due out next year. I only confirmed it is already out.

There is no talk of a larger battery Kona becoming available than what is available now.

unkel

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

It is a big shift in use to have to refuel every day as opposed to once per week.

Where are you getting the every day from? The average Irish car does 16k km per year. In an efficient EV with a 60kWh battery that means charging once every 2 weeks

And in my vision a lot of charging in the future will be effortless. You park at home, at a shopping mall, at work, same as you do now. But there will be induction chargers under the car parking spaces. They make a handshake with your car, automatically charge it up while you are parked and the cost is added to your bill. Most people would never have to go fast charge their car except on very long journeys (beyond 500km)

Johnboy1951

unkel wrote: »

Where are you getting the every day from? The average Irish car does 16k km per year. In an efficient EV with a 60kWh battery that means charging once every 2 weeks

And in my vision a lot of charging in the future will be effortless. You park at home, at a shopping mall, at work, same as you do now. But there will be induction chargers under the car parking spaces. They make a handshake with your car, automatically charge it up while you are parked and the cost is added to your bill. Most people would never have to go fast charge their car except on very long journeys (beyond 500km)

Yes .... and when that future arrives the resistance will begin to fade.

unkel

The future is here already. Kona can do 500km and you only need to charge it once a week, even if you do well above average mileage. It's a bit expensive, but if you do the big miles it will easily pay for itself.

The cars are fine, the infrastructure is the problem. In this country. Other countries like the Netherlands and Norway are years ahead of us. But the future is looking bright. And fully electric

Johnboy1951

unkel wrote: »

The future is here already. Kona can do 500km and you only need to charge it once a week, even if you do well above average mileage. It's a bit expensive, but if you do the big miles it will easily pay for itself.

The cars are fine, the infrastructure is the problem. In this country. Other countries like the Netherlands and Norway are years ahead of us. But the future is looking bright. And fully electric

I agree the future is bright. if all that gear gets installed here ....

Gumbo

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I agree the future is bright. if all that gear gets installed here ....

So now that you know that EV’s with once a week charging is already here.

KCross

People readily accepted moving from weekly charging their phones to every day or two now. I dont think it will be a big mind shift to have to charge your car once or twice a week, particularly if its at home and it takes 10secs to do so.

Price, choice and range all need to improve though.

Johnboy1951

kceire wrote: »

So now that you know that EV’s with once a week charging is already here.

Sure, but not affordable to the vast majority. So not here yet for the general populace.
Wireless charging is also here .... just not available.
Electric vehicles are available ... just not sufficient choice .... so again not available for most.

If the people who drive ordinary cars are to be persuaded to change willingly to BEVs then there has to be a huge improvement in lots of facets .....

availability of charging
speed of charging
longer range
affordable vehicles
different body 'types'
more emphasis on general benefits rather than what most read these days about great acceleration


What seems to be missed generally in discussions of BEVs on boards is that the vehicles under discussion are, for the most part, not in the most popular segment.

Yes, I expect things to change in the future, and when they do I fully expect those driving to embrace this 'new' technology.
Until that future arrives there is little out there for the ordinary vehicle owner .... except dream of cars like the Tesla in the same way they have dreamt about exotic ICE cars in the past.

None of that is to say those things will not arrive or improve as required in the future.
I fully expect them to do so.

unkel

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

What seems to be missed generally in discussions of BEVs on boards is that the vehicles under discussion are, for the most part, not in the most popular segment.

Nobody is denying that. It is the single biggest issue so far that was in the way of EV uptake.

There were no crossovers (the most popular type of car now in many European countries). Now there is a small one and a medium size one

Still many segments missing. No EV that can tow (except Tesla Model X), no pick up trucks (most popular type of car in the US). And not much in the way of sports cars

All this will change radically of course within the next 5 years...

MadYaker

Your car is parked outside your house most nights anyway so what if you have to plug it in. Be a while before I buy a fully electric car though. Driving an auto hybrid at the mo and it’s lovely but I do miss the stick shift sometimes