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Salary of 25k+

  • 25-03-2019 12:49pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭


    Hello. I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this but I'm wondering does anyone have examples of jobs which have a salary of more than 25k euros in Ireland? It's for someone who has plenty of experience in employment but with no actual qualifications. Are there jobs of that salary available for a person as I describe? Thank you.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭Creol1


    Probably the best option would be some kind of junior management position.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,733 ✭✭✭OMM 0000


    What is their employment experience?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Experience in what area?

    There are plenty of jobs that pay over €25k. Arguably almost every job that isn't entry level is going to be over €25k (minimum wage is about €20k). Varies by location though.

    For example:
    https://jobs.lidl.ie/en/DeputyStoreManager.htm

    Requires no qualifications, a small amount of management experience and starts at €40k.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 857 ✭✭✭Ronney


    Construction Industry,

    Starting rate for a New Entrant General operative is 13.77 an hour x 39 Hours p/w x52 = €27,925

    You need no experience and would generally spend the day cleaning up

    With 1 Year experience this jumps to €17.04 p/hr or €34,557

    Plenty of Labour agencies looking for people


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Farawayhome


    The previous experience was in a number of different areas, mostly hotels, bars, shop assistant type stuff. Never had management experience. Would that rule out the lidl job? Do you need to know anything about construction to enter that field? Also, it's a permanent contract position that is required. Thanks.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,331 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    TD?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 857 ✭✭✭Ronney


    Do you need to know anything about construction to enter that field? Also, it's a permanent contract position that is required. Thanks.


    All you need is a Safe Pass and Manual handling cert, 1 Day course. Most construction work at the lower level would be through agencies, if your good (hard working) you'd be kept.

    Lidl are a good company to earn big money fast, they will expect alot in return though. Dont let lack of experience put you off applying


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    Call centre work with the better employers (Sky for example) would pay over 25K with commission possibly without. Retail springs to mind looking at a supervisor or assistant manager role. There has only recently been competitions so it might be a while, but EO in the civil service only requires School qualifications and pays 29K. CO isn't far off 25K after the first increment and requires no qualifications.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Call centre work with the better employers (Sky for example) would pay over 25K with commission possibly without. Retail springs to mind looking at a supervisor or assistant manager role. There has only recently been competitions so it might be a while, but EO in the civil service only requires School qualifications and pays 29K. CO isn't far off 25K after the first increment and requires no qualifications.

    extremely unlikely you get CO without third level or something approaching it these days.

    let alone EO, which would be likely to require third level or equivalent as well as reasonably diverse experience in supervisory management or evidence of a few years minimum in roles of responsibility.

    minimum requirements arent any guide these days im afraid


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Farawayhome


    What's CO and EO? Thanks for your help. Construction and Lidl are really good suggestions.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,513 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    CO ( Clerical Officer ) does not require a third level degree.
    EO ( Executive Officer ) only requires it if you apply through the open competition. You can still become an EO if you apply on the internal campaigns [ or that could be the other way around, I forget :) ]

    Both positions are general titles within the civil service.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭Cakerbaker


    Rikand wrote: »
    CO ( Clerical Officer ) does not require a third level degree.
    EO ( Executive Officer ) only requires it if you apply through the open competition. You can still become an EO if you apply on the internal campaigns [ or that could be the other way around, I forget :) ]

    Both positions are general titles within the civil service.

    A degree isn’t required for EO in open or internal competitions.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Farawayhome


    Googled, probably should have done that first time. I see what they are and I see the entry requirements. They're worth applying for anyway?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Farawayhome


    Cakerbaker wrote: »
    A degree isn’t required for EO in open or internal competitions.

    Are there many executive officer positions?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭Pronto63


    Are there many executive officer positions?

    Thousands.........

    Competition is fierce though.

    They are regarded as a graduate entry position and as such you would need a degree if applying in an open competition. Open as opposed to an internal competition.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Farawayhome


    Pronto63 wrote: »
    Thousands.........

    Competition is fierce though.

    They are regarded as a graduate entry position and as such you would need a degree if applying in an open competition. Open as opposed to an internal competition.

    Ok, tough to get in. Would you know where these jobs are advertised? I'm on publicjobs.ie and there aren't too many co or eo jobs, loads of higher up than that jobs though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,286 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    Rikand wrote: »
    CO ( Clerical Officer ) does not require a third level degree.
    EO ( Executive Officer ) only requires it if you apply through the open competition. You can still become an EO if you apply on the internal campaigns [ or that could be the other way around, I forget :) ]

    Both positions are general titles within the civil service.
    Pronto63 wrote: »
    Thousands.........

    Competition is fierce though.

    They are regarded as a graduate entry position and as such you would need a degree if applying in an open competition. Open as opposed to an internal competition.
    Cakerbaker wrote: »
    A degree isn’t required for EO in open or internal competitions.

    Stop posting incorrect information.

    Cakerbaker is right. No degree is required for the open EO competition.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,513 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    Cakerbaker wrote: »
    A degree isn’t required for EO in open or internal competitions.

    I should have known this seeing as I am in an open EO competition at the moment. thanks :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭Cakerbaker


    Ok, tough to get in. Would you know where these jobs are advertised? I'm on publicjobs.ie and there aren't too many co or eo jobs, loads of higher up than that jobs though.

    Your friend should register with Publicjobs.ie. Competitions for these roles are run approximately every year / 18 months I think. Everyone applies at the one time and a panel is formed. People are offered positions off the panel, it’s not that each job is advertised separately.

    When I did it you had to fill in an application form online. Then do an aptitude test. The people who did best in the aptitude tests were then called for interview and to redo the aptitude tests. Those who passed this stage were then placed on a panel in order it how well they did at interview and were offered jobs as they came up.

    The public appointment service call as many batches as necessary to fill the vacancies they have requests in for from the different departments. It’s been a while since I went through the process so someone else may have more up to date info.

    Another option for your friend may be Temporary Clerical Officer. These are usually 3 month contracts. There’s competitions for this every year too. It could give your friend an idea of whether or not they like the civil service. Although at the same time the civil service is so large and diverse that no too places are really the same.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    extremely unlikely you get CO without third level or something approaching it these days.

    let alone EO, which would be likely to require third level or equivalent as well as reasonably diverse experience in supervisory management or evidence of a few years minimum in roles of responsibility.

    minimum requirements arent any guide these days im afraid

    Working with tons on CO's many of them new without 3rd level. Plenty of EO's too albeit from internal promotions.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,295 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    mdwexford wrote: »
    Stop posting incorrect information.

    Cakerbaker is right. No degree is required for the open EO competition.

    No degree is required to enter the competition is correct.

    But youd be extremely unlikely to succeed in getting a job from the competition without a degree. I've even met some people who believe that a level 7 degree isn't enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,286 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    No degree is required to enter the competition is correct.

    But youd be extremely unlikely to succeed in getting a job from the competition without a degree. I've even met some people who believe that a level 7 degree isn't enough.

    Those people are wrong.

    As long as you do well in the tests and meet the competencies in the interview then you will place high on the panel and get offered a job.

    Education is pretty much irrelevant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭Cakerbaker


    I’d be happy to be corrected but I don’t think your education is included in the marking at interview. You are interviewed based on a number of competencies which you would have given examples of in your application form. You are marked on your answers to these questions. That is what you are assessed on, not your level of education. Someone with good work experience would have every bit as much of a chance of doing well as someone with a degree etc.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    its fair to say you can meet the competencies without a degree, and even to a high level given the right mix of experience and getting yr examples across well in the form and during the interview.

    telling ppl that education is irrelevant is misleading however

    anyone can read the minimum requirements. posters are trying to point out that in a competition with several thousand (minimum) applicants every advantage you have becomes vital and third level education is an obvious advantage.

    as ive said, CO can probably get in without a degree (but without anything beyond second level? id frankly be surprised if that was common) but EO id be willing to bet its statistically very unlikely you get through interview without that AND decent supervisory or otherwise responsible work experience

    while we have posters snippily discounting opinions, its irrelevant to note what internal EO comps might call for, the OP isnt eligible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,627 ✭✭✭tedpan


    Hello. I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this but I'm wondering does anyone have examples of jobs which have a salary of more than 25k euros in Ireland? It's for someone who has plenty of experience in employment but with no actual qualifications. Are there jobs of that salary available for a person as I describe? Thank you.

    Nearly every job in Ireland pays over 25k,
    If you earn over 13.50 an hour and work 39 hours, you're on over 25k


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,286 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    its fair to say you can meet the competencies without a degree, and even to a high level given the right mix of experience and getting yr examples across well in the form and during the interview.

    telling ppl that education is irrelevant is misleading however

    anyone can read the minimum requirements. posters are trying to point out that in a competition with several thousand (minimum) applicants every advantage you have becomes vital and third level education is an obvious advantage.

    as ive said, CO can probably get in without a degree (but without anything beyond second level? id frankly be surprised if that was common) but EO id be willing to bet its statistically very unlikely you get through interview without that AND decent supervisory or otherwise responsible work experience

    while we have posters snippily discounting opinions, its irrelevant to note what internal EO comps might call for, the OP isnt eligible.

    You have misquoted me. I said pretty much irrelevant.
    I am also solely talking about external competitions.

    It’s not about opinions though.

    The main hurdle is doing really well in the tests so you get a chance to be called for interview.

    Once you meet the competencies there then that’s it. You will be offered a job once your place is reached. It’s a transparent process that suits some people and not others.

    You can have four masters degrees but if you can’t do well at the verbal, numerical and etray tests it won’t matter a damn.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,295 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    mdwexford wrote: »
    The main hurdle is doing really well in the tests so you get a chance to be called for interview.

    ....

    You can have four masters degrees but if you can’t do well at the verbal, numerical and etray tests it won’t matter a damn.

    And before that, you have to pass the initial screening to get to take the tests. I've met a couple of people who did well at the initial tests for other competitions, but didn't even meet the initial standard to get to sit the tests in the latest EO competition. They both reckon the issue is not having a level 8 degree.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    And before that, you have to pass the initial screening to get to take the tests. I've met a couple of people who did well at the initial tests for other competitions, but didn't even meet the initial standard to get to sit the tests in the latest EO competition. They both reckon the issue is not having a level 8 degree.

    They'd be wrong. The initial tests have nothing to do with having a degree, they're psychometric tests based on how good a fit you are in a junior management position in the civil service. They are easily practiced for.

    The next set of tests would be verbal and mathematical reasoning - basic intelligence essentially, and an etray exercise. Only at interview would the degree come in handy in putting forward competencies, but a good work history will do exactly the same.

    People with decent level 8 degrees (second class and above) would be applying to the AO stream which is the main graduate entry point for the civil service.

    Edit: Incidentally and good news for your friends, the latest EO competitions (2018 Dublin, 2019 Nationwide except Dublin) are still running.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]



    People with decent level 8 degrees (second class and above) would be applying to the AO stream which is the main graduate entry point for the civil service.

    historically true perhaps

    not really the case any longer ime.

    graduates enter at all grades from co up through ao, and again.....masters no harm there.


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The previous experience was in a number of different areas, mostly hotels, bars, shop assistant type stuff. Never had management experience. Would that rule out the lidl job? Do you need to know anything about construction to enter that field? Also, it's a permanent contract position that is required. Thanks.

    we're off track

    back to OP

    you wont be getting EO with shop assistant or bar experience without any mangement


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    historically true perhaps

    not really the case any longer ime.

    graduates enter at all grades from co up through ao, and again.....masters no harm there.


    The Civil Service make the point that it's the main entry point for graduates. While they can, of course, enter at any level and many people do so they can progress internally. My issue with this thread is the notion that CO's somehow need, not as a formal entry requirement but as a need to be competitive, to have a degree.

    Even at EO level there is no need to have a degree I have to agree that it's irrelevant until the interview stage. Granted people with masters degrees will apply to the AO stream and a higher level of education can separate you there at an earlier stage.
    we're off track

    back to OP

    you wont be getting EO with shop assistant or bar experience without any mangement

    In fairness that's true.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,431 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Why do you consider 25K to be a magic figure?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭Creol1


    we're off track

    back to OP

    you wont be getting EO with shop assistant or bar experience without any mangement

    I wouldn't agree with that. I have known a number of EOs successful in external competitions who, as far as I know, didn't have management experience. The interview will be competency based and there is opportunity to show how your experience would equip you to manage people drawing on examples of working with people. You will probably have a better example if you have management experience, but if you think outside the box you should be able to come up with relevant examples.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭Creol1


    No degree is required to enter the competition is correct.

    But youd be extremely unlikely to succeed in getting a job from the competition without a degree. I've even met some people who believe that a level 7 degree isn't enough.

    Those people are mistaken. EO is a general service grade with no specialist knowledge required. Even if you do have a degree in a subject relevant to work in the Civil Service, it can (and does) happen that you end up doing work that has no relevance to your degree.

    The recruitment process is competency based, rather than based on qualifications. You have to meet minimum qualifying requirements but qualifications beyond that are no inherent advantage.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    folks i promise we are perfectly well acquainted with the minimum requirement for the grade structures as advertised and perfectly well acquainted with the roles of EO and CO and perfectly well acquainted with what a competency based interview is and how it works from form through tests through interview etc

    also perfectly aware that its possible to get through CO and EO without a degree of any level, and without management experience or having experience of havin held a role of responsibility for the latter (tbh im not convinced on this but if people say theyve seen it from external competition recently I won't call anyone a liar)

    we're really going down a rabbit hole now viz a viz the OPs request as to what jobs they are likely to get with the experience and lack of qualifications given and coming back with a "yeah but you don't *need* any experience or qualifications as such" is poor, poor advice in terms of directing them to what is actually a likely or useful area for them to focus their attention.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,431 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    The reason that I asked about the 25K, is because i think its tied immigrant visa issue for someone bringing a family. So all of this EO/CO discussion may be irrelevant as the person isn't a legal resident and I would be pretty shocked if visas were issued for people to come here and work in the CS.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,056 ✭✭✭dragonfly!


    tedpan wrote: »
    Nearly every job in Ireland pays over 25k,
    If you earn over 13.50 an hour and work 39 hours, you're on over 25k

    There is an awful lot of places that dont pay €13.50 an hour though...
    Especially outside of Dublin


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Farawayhome


    Sorry for delay in replying. Some great ideas thanks. The EO idea is a kind of out then. Any other ideas apart from Aldi/Lidl?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,733 ✭✭✭OMM 0000


    So if I understand correctly, your friend has worked in the service industry (bars, shops, etc.), has never been promoted to a supervisor level, and has no qualifications.

    Is she willing to do training or get an education?

    What is she good at?

    What would she actually like to do?

    If she's starting from scratch she may as well start on a career path she will enjoy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭Sir Ophiuchus


    you wont be getting EO with shop assistant or bar experience without any mangement

    I know people who got AP with 'supervisor in a shop' level management experience, so your mileage may vary.

    Edit: Ah, didn't see your later post. Apologies for derailing.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 113 ✭✭bingbong500


    They'd be wrong. The initial tests have nothing to do with having a degree, they're psychometric tests based on how good a fit you are in a junior management position in the civil service. They are easily practiced for.

    The next set of tests would be verbal and mathematical reasoning - basic intelligence essentially, and an etray exercise. Only at interview would the degree come in handy in putting forward competencies, but a good work history will do exactly the same.

    People with decent level 8 degrees (second class and above) would be applying to the AO stream which is the main graduate entry point for the civil service.

    Edit: Incidentally and good news for your friends, the latest EO competitions (2018 Dublin, 2019 Nationwide except Dublin) are still running.


    There are no psychometric tests for EO competitions. It's application form, then called for 1st round tests (at home) if you pass those it;s 2nd round tests plus etray, then its interview. If you pass that you get on panel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,367 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    I've seen a few admin jobs paying between 28-32k.

    Call centres have a high turnover, if you can stick out the grunt work for a year or so it's easy enough to move up. See if there's any doing shift work. You should get a shift allowance for extra cash.

    Some warehouses pay 28-32k base salary plus shift allowance.

    Lots of pharma and chemical warehouse Jobs around paying good money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,959 ✭✭✭✭scudzilla


    Security work is over 25k, with the industry wide rises over the past few years you'll get 29k pa for working a 48hr week, that's the minimum.

    If you get the right company and get on the right contract you could be on 40-45k p.a for a 45hr week


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    There are no psychometric tests for EO competitions. It's application form, then called for 1st round tests (at home) if you pass those it;s 2nd round tests plus etray, then its interview. If you pass that you get on panel.


    The first round of tests are the "what is the best answer in this scenario" questions. I call them psychometric tests google seems to agree but if you want to call them something else be my guest. It's not a pass or fail on those tests it an order of merit.


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