Working Sunday when paid a salary?

WhyTheFace

Hi,

I've just started a new job and I have a query which I don't want to ask HR with as I don't want to make it sound like I'm being too demanding (until I settle in and know the lay of the land).

My job will be in a management position and so will be working mainly Mon-Friday. My contract says I may be required to work overtime which I accept. I don't mind doing a couple of hours extra every now and then to get tasks completed.

However, I am being asked to work a full day this Sunday as there is an annual task that needs to be completed and can only be done on a Sunday when the business is closed. As Monday was a BH I don't mind working it as I will still have only done 5 days this week (though 6 in a row next week).

Just wondering what I am entitled to, if anything, for working this?

Thanks in advance

Snotty

Short answer is nothing.

Long answer is check your contract and when in salary and particular a managment position they can state that your salary includes extra for occasional Sunday hours.
Basically it's up to you to negotiate what you get for a Sunday when your contract is being drawn up.

OMM 0000

It depends on the company.

I've worked for multinationals where they would pay people to come in on weekends, but I've also worked for small companies where there is no overtime pay.

My feeling is if the company is decent to you, and these sorts fo things are only every now and then, then it's ok if it's unpaid.

Reati

We get the day in leiu usually. So I'd take the next Friday off or save it till I wanted it. Had to be used within a couple of months though. Large multi national.

WhyTheFace

It's more the issue of working 6 days in a row. I don't mind working the Sunday if I get a day off midweek or at a later date in the future.

theteal

WhyTheFace wrote: »

It's more the issue of working 6 days in a row. I don't mind working the Sunday if I get a day off midweek or at a later date in the future.

What’s the issue with working six days in a row? You’ll have a 4 day week somewhere along the line.

lawred2

I get a day in lieu for any weekend stuff.. it's only a few days a year though

WhyTheFace

theteal wrote: »

What’s the issue with working six days in a row? You’ll have a 4 day week somewhere along the line.

How do you mean "along the line"? As in they will give me a day in lieu?

lawred2

WhyTheFace wrote: »

How do you mean "along the line"? As in they will give me a day in lieu?

Have you asked what the compensation is for working Sundays?

the_syco

WhyTheFace wrote: »

as there is an annual task that needs to be completed and can only be done on a Sunday when the business is closed

If it's a once off, do it, but keep a note of it. And keep a note of it being an annual thing, as you'll quickly find out if these "annual things" happen often or not.

TBH, asking the new guy on a salary to work a Sunday without extra pay is taking the mick, and may be a sign of things to come. You'll very quickly find out if this is true with your dealings with the company. Keep note of this, and any other "things" that would get extra pay if on an hourly rate, as opposed to a salary.

theteal

WhyTheFace wrote: »

How do you mean "along the line"? As in they will give me a day in lieu?

I'd expect no less. Is this a full days work on the Sunday?

bucketybuck

To be honest, if you are the manager and its an important task that only needs done once a year, then I would be expecting the manager to just get on with it. Especially if it is a manager who is just in the door.

You might be perfectly entitled to demand recompense for every single second you work, as long as you are aware that your employer may wonder just what sort of manager they have just hired.

I know what certain people will say to that, but in the real world managers are on salary for a reason so I would advise being very careful how you respond to this, make sure you know what the company culture is being making any demands.

WhyTheFace

bucketybuck wrote: »

To be honest, if you are the manager and its an important task that only needs done once a year, then I would be expecting the manager to just get on with it. Especially if it is a manager who is just in the door.

You might be perfectly entitled to demand recompense for every single second you work, as long as you are aware that your employer may wonder just what sort of manager they have just hired.

I know what certain people will say to that, but in the real world managers are on salary for a reason so I would advise being very careful how you respond to this, make sure you know what the company culture is being making any demands.

Hi,

That makes sense. It's a stock stake that is generally carried out by a 3rd party in this industry but they are trying to save by keeping it in house.

I will not be acting in a managerial role for this task, just as extra pair of hands.

The reason I haven't said anything is that I don't want to be seen to be not playing ball.

As I said I don't particularly mind, I'm just curious if what myrights are, if any.

the_syco

WhyTheFace wrote: »

want to be seen to be not playing ball

Check with the people you're doing the work with, and you'll see how infrequent it really is.

Lux23

I get two days in lieu for working Saturdays, they are very long days, and I'm on my feet for most of it though.

Sir Ophiuchus

As others have said, they're not legally obliged to give you anything. However it would be the norm in many places - officially or otherwise - to get / take a day in lieu for weekend work. It's complicated because you're brand new.

In your position, I'd probably do it - once - and use the opportunity to sound the others doing it about how often it is and how it's generally handled.

Then the next time I was asked to do weekend work like that I'd politely make it clear that I'd want to take a day in lieu, and that the first time was exceptional.

Wabbit Ears

Speak to another manager on your level about whats the done thing. You probably should invest in buying one or two a lunch and pick their brains on all that sort of stuff.

I'd expect you informally or formally take a day In lieu, usually the week after as its generally bad form to carry these days.

Mrs OBumble

You've been hired as a manager, and you're here asking us questions like this. Really?

If you're actually a trainee manager, then fair enough, the post above is good advice.

But if not, then you need to start thinging about appropriate information sources ....

WhyTheFace

the_syco wrote: »

Check with the people you're doing the work with, and you'll see how infrequent it really is.

Stock take is done once a year in this industry.

HR replied stating that I would be paid for the day. Standard rate I presume.

Thanks for all feedback.

WhyTheFace

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

You've been hired as a manager, and you're here asking us questions like this. Really?

If you're actually a trainee manager, then fair enough, the post above is good advice.

But if not, then you need to start thinging about appropriate information sources ....

Not quite sure what your point is tbh, but thanks for the feedback

the_syco

WhyTheFace wrote: »

Stock take is done once a year in this industry.

If the stock take is the only day that requires you to work out of hours, it should be grand.

foundation10

It appears from your position that you are expected to do it. If I were you I would do it and not ask any question. There will be plenty more of these types of requests to come in future I would imagine and you will most likely will be expected to them. It will be up to you to negotiate the terms of your employment but I wouldn't be bringing any of this up until at least you have proven yourself to the company (ie most likely at appraisal).

stateofflux

foundation10 wrote: »

It appears from your position that you are expected to do it. If I were you I would do it and not ask any question. There will be plenty more of these types of requests to come in future I would imagine and you will most likely will be expected to them. It will be up to you to negotiate the terms of your employment but I wouldn't be bringing any of this up until at least you have proven yourself to the company (ie most likely at appraisal).

I would do it as a once off to show willingness for give and take. but if its happening regularly id definitely flag it if its not defined in contract.

To do otherwise reduces ones value imo.

eagle eye

He said in the op that he would be expected to work overtime occasionally. You get paid for overtime.
As regards Sunday work, it looks like you signed up for it. Unless you can come up with an alternate solution it'll have to get done.

Masala

Just drop the hint'... I'll take next Friday off instead as a straight swap'. I don't think management would argue with same as it's a fair solution.

Del2005

eagle eye wrote: »

He said in the op that he would be expected to work overtime occasionally. You get paid for overtime.
As regards Sunday work, it looks like you signed up for it. Unless you can come up with an alternate solution it'll have to get done.

You generally don't get overtime if you have a salary. The OP was hired with the knowledge that they where on a salary and had to work occasional extra hours, this means that they have already agreed to working without overtime pay so coming back now looking for pay or time in lieu could be risky for a new hire. Luckily the company is paying them.

WhyTheFace

I think there is a difference between working a few extra hours to meet a deadline and being asked to work a full day on a Sunday.

No employee should have to work 6 days in a row without being compensated for it by a day in lieu.

I did not expect to be paid for it and am grateful that I am.