questions after licence migrate

Ljmscooter

Hi Guys,

I have been riding a vespa 50 on my UK B licence for the last 6 or 7 years, and i was told last week that due to brexit i would not be able to drive/ride after next week.

So

I went to the licence office yesterday - paid my 55 euro and transfered to an Irish licence.

I got up to leave and he said, you cant ride a bike out of here,

turns out there is no B in the irish lcience, so i now cannot ride my scooter

so im looking for advice,

1. how can i quicky get on my bike ? is it just a matter of getting the learner permit, and the theory test ? - can i ride them on L PLATES ? - or do i have to to the IBT AM course first ? - or do i have to pass a test then first ?

2. is there any point just doing the AM ? should i just take the hit and do the full A IBT ?

im 47 years old, and did plan one day to upgrade off the vespa. this is a great oppertunity to do this .


I have had a look at RSA site and its so confusing? - when can i ride ? - do i have to do the training and then wait for a TEST - and then i can ride ? - or can i ride as a learner ?


3. - can any one input into experience or reviews of the weekend IBT at

.irishmotorcycletraining.com/learn-to-ride-a-motorbike-in-a-weekend/

or advise good reviews of IBT training centres - im in Dublin ( Blanch ) but can drive within reasonable distances.


Thanks Laurence

hope you dont mind a vespa rider in the bike forum !

Ljmscooter

replying to my own threadm but

to get a leaner pernit, it this a new licence ? or when i complete

w.ndls.ie/images/Documents/LearnerPermits/D201_Learner_Permit_app_form.pdf

does this just add the bike catoigorry ( AM,A1,A2,A whichever i pick ) to my new car licence that im waiting on in the post ??

sure he cold have told me that yestertday in the office. ......

LookBehindYou

1,www.theorytest.ie for Theory test booking (motorcycle)
2, www.ndls.ie to apply for learner permit for all bike categories (am,a1,a2,A)
2, IBT
4, good to go on your bike after insuring it.

Ljmscooter

Thansk for the reply,

in the process now,

seems i need a PSC card before i can book theory - sorting that
I need to do the AM theory - so i need to research maeterial, i did my rules of road in Uk in the 80's


can i ask though, if i am good to go after the IBT - what is the purpose of the TEST ? - just to remove the L Plates ?

macplaxton

How old is the UK licence? Groups or Categories on it?

https://www.gov.uk/old-driving-licence-categories

I would have thought a UK national category "p" (moped) would translate to a euro category "AM".

EU Cat B is cars. The old UK group B was for automatics only in group A.

Ljmscooter

macplaxton wrote: »

How old is the UK licence? Groups or Categories on it?



I would have thought a UK national category "p" (moped) would translate to a euro category "AM".

EU Cat B is cars. The old UK group B was for automatics only in group A.

hiya,

only had B - but i used this clause to ride my scooter
gov.uk/motorcycle-cbt/car-driving-licence


"You passed your driving test before 1 February 2001

You can ride a moped (up to 50cc) without L plates. You don’t need to take a CBT course or take the full moped test."

macplaxton

I think you need to speak to the NDLS again.

If you had a full category B on your UK licence, then if you got it pre-2001, then you got automatically issued a UK category "p" which was a national equivalent to the Irish national category "M". Both UK "p" and Irish "M" have since 2013 become EU category AM.

What I want to know is why aren't they issuing you with a full AM? Surely they are exchangeable?

I passed my category B car test back in 1991. That is the start date of my AM. I exchange my UK licence for an Irish one in June 2017.


Driving_Licence_IRL_Rear by macplaxton, on Flickr

(You'd think they'd get the start date of my A2 right)

Ljmscooter

Hi MacPlaxton,

I got my licence in 89, and it had no p on it, only B. I can only assume this is why i have no AM carried over,

Its no biggie, im off the road for a while ( weill im in the car but its not the same ) , and its the push i needed to get my arse on IBT.

Im going to go for the A,

meanwhile my baby is going to sit for a while.

IrishGrimReaper

It's a bit of a nuisance for you and there's a fair few euro in costs to get going but fair play for kicking on and setting your mind on the A license.

Have you ever been on a larger CC bike before? When you are doing your IBT for the A license you'll be using a 600+cc bike.

You might get the need for speed and the wee scooter could be sitting up a lot longer :pac:

Ljmscooter

IrishGrimReaper wrote: »

It's a bit of a nuisance for you and there's a fair few euro in costs to get going but fair play for kicking on and setting your mind on the A license.

Have you ever been on a larger CC bike before? When you are doing your IBT for the A license you'll be using a 600+cc bike.

You might get the need for speed and the wee scooter could be sitting up a lot longer :pac:

i have never ridden anything other than 50cc over the years, i'll be keeping the little scoot, getting A just opens the options, next move might only be to 150/200/300, and probably still vespa !


then again you never know

macplaxton

Ljmscooter wrote: »

Hi MacPlaxton,

I got my licence in 89, and it had no p on it, only B. I can only assume this is why i have no AM carried over,

When was the last UK licence issued?

When you passed in 1989, you would have originally got groups

A, C, E (E being the moped bit which they gave until 2001?, when they made you do a CBT to activate it)

If you had a replacement issued after June 1990, it would have shown all the "new" EU/UK national categories on it equivalent to the above. For a car test pass, it would convert to

B (and in turn B1 trikes), BE, C1, C1E (107), D1 (101), f,k,l,n & p.

A re-issue after 2013 should of had:

AM, A (79.03 restricted to trikes), B, BE, C1, C1E (107), D1 (101), f,k,l,n,p,Q

An exchange to an Irish licence would should only lose the C1E and D1 (see RSA note)

I'd kick up about it. You shouldn't be losing certain grandfather rights to licence categories, when you exchange (you may find the 7.5 tonner and trailer entitlement handy at some point down the line). I wouldn't count on the NDLS always getting it right either. Mrs MacP passed her cat B test in France and got an full A1 when exchanging!

Ljmscooter

So I got my Irish licence today and guess what, AM is there ! The licence guy was wrong , so I’m back on two wheels

However I am still set on doing training and getting my A so I’m going to anyway

I have my theory next week , then I can get my learner

Anyhow scooter was happy for a spin tonight 😀

oleras

I also got mine renewed a few weeks ago and came back with the AM, i had thought that it was a very limited category and a 50cc would be over the limit, have you no issue insuring a 50cc vespa? if so i may have a look at picking one up myself.

Hotblack Desiato

AM is under 50cc AND limited to 45km/h.

petronius

Question - if you have a full UK Car licence, with a CBT Cert. is it, can you ride a Moped in the Republic?

Ljmscooter

A 50ncc vespa is actually 49 cc

galwaytt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/109743338#Comment_109743338

Lovely colour that.

As above, Theory Test, Learner Permit, IBT, then you're on the road.

Oh, and, when the time comes: welcome to the (bigger) Vespa Club :)