Toyota CHR - 1.2 turbo vs hybrid

Old diesel

So my sister in law still wants a CHR.

She's now thinking of the 1.2 rather then the hybrid as someone told her brother the hybrids don't do what "they are supposed to" in terms of MPG.

What is the 1.2 turbo like for reliability - worth the risk vs the generally excellent for reliability Hybrid.

Obviously it's her car so if she's happy with the 1.2 thats grand but I want to make sure the 1.2 is a relatively safe purchase

colm_mcm

Nobody really knows as they’re such a rare and relatively new engine.

Is the Hybrid much more expensive these days?

Atlantic Dawn

What kind of driving will she do? Hybrid only comes in automatic, the petrol only comes in manual, possibly influence her decision also.

Old diesel

colm_mcm wrote: »

Nobody really knows they’re such a rare and relatively new eng8ne.

Was thinking as much - were it my car I'd go the proven hybrid route.

Problem is the CHRs are expensive cars so it looks tempting for her to buy the 1.2 for a few k less.

colm_mcm

They’re selling 9:1 in favour of the Hybrid in 2019 so the 1.2 may well become the long forgotten spec that nobody will want in a few years.
Like the Yaris without power steering.

Old diesel

She's driven the hybrid and 1.2 and was happy enough with both - but it's all about the look of the car.

Price difference between them is somewhat strong when new - say around 3 k if like for like on spec.

2nd hand hard to guage tbh but a 171 hybrid is around 25 k.

Edit - she does a lot of local rural type driving

Philb76

colm_mcm wrote: »

They’re selling 9:1 in favour of the Hybrid in 2019 so the 1.2 may well become the long forgotten spec that nobody will want in a few years.
Like the Yaris without power steering.

Or an Irish yaris with the 1.33 petrol engine even though its far superior

colm_mcm

Philb76 wrote: »

Or an Irish yaris with the 1.33 petrol engine even though its far superior

Superior to the 1.0 - without a doubt. 6 speed gearbox is lovely on them too.

Henry Ford III

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

What kind of driving will she do? Hybrid only comes in automatic, the petrol only comes in manual, possibly influence her decision also.

Auto is a CVT unit. A bit like Marmite.

Shefwedfan

Old diesel wrote: »

She's driven the hybrid and 1.2 and was happy enough with both - but it's all about the look of the car.

Price difference between them is somewhat strong when new - say around 3 k if like for like on spec.

2nd hand hard to guage tbh but a 171 hybrid is around 25 k.

Edit - she does a lot of local rural type driving

Sister in law has the hybrid. She says it doesn't exactly what it says on the tin. She had a diesel Golf but lives in Dublin and 98% of her driving is short trips and sitting in traffic in Dublin. The hybrid is perfect, no idea what her ltr/100km but check next time she is around....



If she is doing lots of short trips and petrol suits then I don't see why she/he wouldn't go hybrid. The resale on the hybrid will be better to the straight petrol...in 3 years time I don't see any straight petrol for sale anymore, all the manufacturers have hybrid and PHEV in pipeline to replace.



She bought on 171 plate via PCP. The savign are good but she wants more so after 3 years is already looking at a BEV to replace.

grogi

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Auto is a CVT unit. A bit like Marmite.

I have never met anyone who hates HSD after owing one for longer than a month. It gets getting used to, but it is a very pleasant drive afterwards.

pablo128

The 1.2 turbo is out 4 years now in the Auris. I'm getting my missus one soon actually because she doesn't want an auto. Reliability wise, I haven't heard any horror stories yet.

porsche boy

Old diesel wrote:

She's now thinking of the 1.2 rather then the hybrid as someone told her brother the hybrids don't do what "they are supposed to" in terms of MPG.

Who is this 'someone'?
Does he work in the industry and have experience with the vehicle or is he going on what a mate told him down the pub??

Hybrid vehicles require a different style of driving but once you have mastered it the savings are there to be had.
I don't know the 1.2 turbo engine but if it's a similar output to Nissans 1.2turbo they have in the Qashqai them it might be under powered for the vehicle. Definately the hybrid will be more desirable come trade in

Old diesel

porsche boy wrote: »

Who is this 'someone'?
Does he work in the industry and have experience with the vehicle or is he going on what a mate told him down the pub??

Hybrid vehicles require a different style of driving but once you have mastered it the savings are there to be had.
I don't know the 1.2 turbo engine but if it's a similar output to Nissans 1.2turbo they have in the Qashqai them it might be under powered for the vehicle. Definately the hybrid will be more desirable come trade in

The way it was put is that it was an owner who said their Hybrid wasn't getting what it was supposed to get.

Which I interpreted as meaning the owner thought it would get 74 mpg as claimed.

But very few cars get close to claimed - which is why i started thread.

Shefwedfan

Old diesel wrote: »

The way it was put is that it was an owner who said their Hybrid wasn't getting what it was supposed to get.

Which I interpreted as meaning the owner thought it would get 74 mpg as claimed.

But very few cars get close to claimed - which is why i started thread.

No MPG in the World is correct.....

I know a few people with hybrid. So the Prius+ is currently running for one person around 4ltr/100km.....city driving etc

I would expect the CH-R is running similar is maybe a little higher but potentially 5ltr

The RAV4, old model, is 8-8.4ltr/100km....this is because it is old model and also because it is the AWD version. The RAV4 was too big for that engine so thats why the new one is better

The C-HR is a lot smaller so has no such problems....the auto is a huge plus. Manual is old technology that is obsolete. I don't understand why anyone would want to buy a manual in this day and age....even tractors are auto now. It baffles me.....

Neworld17

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I don't understand why anyone would want to buy a manual in this day and age....even tractors are auto now. It baffles me.....

Price diff and economy... although some autos are now giving fuel consumption close to manuals

grogi

Neworld17 wrote: »

Price diff and economy... although some autos are now giving fuel consumption close to manuals

The established belief of automatics being less economical comes from a fact that automatics look much worse in the manufacturers specs.

In a manual, a skilled test driver can cut consumption a lot - but a regular user will never drive like that and will never achieve results like that. In an auto there is much less skill involved and test driver can do much less to get great economy. Your average driver will get figures that are quoted.

The difference in real life between auto and manual is much smaller than it is believed, often automatic being more economical.

bazz26

I think people still have the old belief from the 1980s and 1990s that automatics are slow, clunky, inefficient and only for American tourists who cannot drive a manual. The reality is that the world has moved on since then as have automatic gearboxes. There is a case for manual gearboxes being more engaging to drive but unless your using your car on a race track regularly then I don't see that being a strong enough argument against a modern auto box imo.

Shefwedfan

bazz26 wrote: »

I think people still have the old belief from the 1980s and 1990s that automatics are slow, clunky, inefficient and only for American tourists who cannot drive a manual. The reality is that the world has moved on since then as have automatic gearboxes. There is a case for manual gearboxes being more engaging to drive but unless your using your car on a race track regularly then I don't see that being a strong enough argument against a modern auto box imo.

I would echo this. When I grew up and anyone mentioned automatic my Dad automatic answer "they are sh*t"....Long story short....I went auto, gave him a couple of test drives and he bought auto.....


I would never buy a manual again, I know most people I know would be the same.

ba_barabus

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I would never buy a manual again

Yep. My mothe rin her 70's is getting her first auto in January, a luna sport CHR.

She can't get over how easy they are to drive.

Lantus

The 1.2 doesn't appear to be an option anymore. I'd just go hybrid for future proofing.

bazz26

I think Toyota have dropped all standalone petrol models now from their line up except for the Aygo and Yaris.

Old diesel

Just to update as this was a thread I started sometime ago and I see someone resurrected it.

My sister in law bought the Hybrid in the end.

Has it about 3 months or so.

171 - 25 k or thereabouts from a main Toyota dealer.

Blue with the the bitone colour scheme where the roof is a dark grey/black type of colour.

62 mpg and she's happy with it.

Personally I think the ride is a bit meh on the 18s - given that these aren't performance rocket ships.

Leonard Hofstadter

Toyota have stopped selling non hybrid models on all cars except the GT86, Supra, Aygo and Yaris. The Land Cruiser and all their commercial vehicles are still hybrid free zones, diesel only.

tina1040

I had a test drive in the CHR, A lovely car but I'm disappointed by the poor visibility.