Am I foolish to consider buying a diesel van

Bricriu

Am considering buying a Toyota Proace diesel van. Would much prefer to buy a petrol van for cleaner air reasons, but read recently that whilst Toyota will be phasing out diesel by early next year, they will continue to produce diesel-only Proace vans.

Before anyone advises me to buy a VW van or other make, I find Toyota by far the most reliable vehicles on the market, and also better for fuel consumption.

The questions I have are: how long until Toyota have to change their vans to petrol-only, and if I buy a diesel van, will it be re-saleable in 5-6 few years time?

Comments welcome. Go raibh maith agaibh.

Casati

Bricriu wrote: »

Am considering buying a Toyota Proace diesel van. Would much prefer to buy a petrol van for cleaner air reasons, but read recently that whilst Toyota will be phasing out diesel by early next year, they will continue to produce diesel-only Proace vans.

Before anyone advises me to buy a VW van or other make, I find Toyota by far the most reliable vehicles on the market, and also better for fuel consumption.

The questions I have are: how long until Toyota have to change their vans to petrol-only, and if I buy a diesel van, will it be re-saleable in 5-6 few years time?

Comments welcome. Go raibh maith agaibh.

It’s a good van and basically a Peugeot/ Citroen rebadged by Toyota. If you buy a petrol van now in that class, it won’t be resellable as a the market for commercials is almost exclusively diesel and will remain that way for a long time to come.

Markcheese

What sort of milage are you doing? Long runs or stop start.?
A modern diesel is way better than something from 5 or 6 years ago..
And a pro-ace is a peugot expert/Citroën dispatch, made in the same factory, same engine and everything...So shop around, you may get a better deal or warrenty or service from any of them..
Is an electric van too limiting?

Casati

Nissan eNV200 might be an option - smaller than the Proace but fully electric.

Range might be an issue spending on how far you drive, also not good if you tow a trailer. They are 8k dearer than the diesels I think so if your doing low miles it will take a long time to recoup the cost. You’d need to investigate accelerated capital allowances if you are buying via a company, that might make the cost a lot easy to absorb.

colm_mcm

Toyota aren’t producing the Proace themselves except for the badges so it has no bearing on that model.
Diesel is still king for commercial vehicles.

Shefwedfan

Bricriu wrote: »

Am considering buying a Toyota Proace diesel van. Would much prefer to buy a petrol van for cleaner air reasons, but read recently that whilst Toyota will be phasing out diesel by early next year, they will continue to produce diesel-only Proace vans.

Before anyone advises me to buy a VW van or other make, I find Toyota by far the most reliable vehicles on the market, and also better for fuel consumption.

The questions I have are: how long until Toyota have to change their vans to petrol-only, and if I buy a diesel van, will it be re-saleable in 5-6 few years time?

Comments welcome. Go raibh maith agaibh.

Diesel is and still will be first choice for vans etc....especially if you plan on pulling a trailer.



Diesel of course will be increased but I would expect the government to include something for business people/truck so the increase in diesel will not hit the people that need a diesel engine


That said, the eNV200 is out and is full electric. It might be option but it is a Nissan. Wouldn't worry about reliability as not much to brek in electric engine.



Diesel will still be aroud in 10 years time, what you wont have is the current high percentage of diesel cars on the road when 99% of the diesel drivers do not require it. For people in trades/farming etc they will still have a requirement for diesel.

Turbohymac

Well op..the Toyota proace is. only a rebadged fiat scudo.peugeot expert etc with a Peugeot engine.. the fiat Peugeot and citroen are out since 07 but the proace only started appearing around 2010 or 11. I've never seen an earlier badged proace but I've got a 07 fiat scudo and its absolutely identical except the Toyota symbol replaces the fiat one... depending what type work and mileage you're doing petrol is limited only to smaller Toyota auris..golf etc commercials..not the bigger proace..transporter..traffic etc

Bricriu

Op. here. Thanks for replies, lads and ladies.

Very disappointed to hear the Proace is not a Toyota creation.

I'm wary of French vehicles; I had a Renault van and had heard all the bad stories about electrics in French vehicles, and eventually I had electrical problems with that van. I wouldn't buy a Renault again.

How do Citroen and Peugot compare to Renault?

Thanks/buíochas.

SEPT 23 1989

No electric van is ready yet due to carrying weight

Shefwedfan

Bricriu wrote: »

Op. here. Thanks for replies, lads and ladies.

Very disappointed to hear the Proace is not a Toyota creation.

I'm wary of French vehicles; I had a Renault van and had heard all the bad stories about electrics in French vehicles, and eventually I had electrical problems with that van. I wouldn't buy a Renault again.

How do Citroen and Peugot compare to Renault?

Thanks/buíochas.

You have to remember the market is compacted at the moment. Very few people are going out and developing a brand new engine just by themselves


So you have VW and all of its brands(Skoda/Seat/Etc) and they will develop their own engines because they are big enought
Renault/Nissan/Mitsuibishi are in partnership
Peugeot/Citroen/Opel are same company now
Toyota only develope the hybrid motors so for cars they bought old BMW engines...but recently they just stopped selling.



based on reviews the Proace is built by PSA Group(Peugeot). Peuget Expert and Citreon Dispatch come from same factory.



My brother has the Renault Van, second one. He loves it. Its the one which has the back seats in it. No idea of name. He has had a number of Renault but swapped to Transit and the axle came up through the floor on it from rust. He had bought it new and only 70k km on it. So never a Ford again


As saying if looking at Renault you could look at the Nissan version if concerned about electrics

Shefwedfan

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

No electric van is ready yet due to carrying weight

Based on what?


Details below on the e-NV200. Better than the combustion engine version

For a compact van, the e-NV200 offers a lot of load space: like the diesel NV200 it has 4.2 cubic metres of volume in the rear, with a load bay of 2.04 metres. With the optional folding passenger seat that extends to 2.8 metres, and the 1.22-metre width at its narrowest point means the load bay can swallow two Europallets.
The e-NV200 beats its traditionally-powered sister when it comes to payload, at 770kg

jeepcj

are the electric vans still taxed under the normal commercial rate of 333?

SEPT 23 1989

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Based on what?


Details below on the e-NV200. Better than the combustion engine version

For a compact van, the e-NV200 offers a lot of load space: like the diesel NV200 it has 4.2 cubic metres of volume in the rear, with a load bay of 2.04 metres. With the optional folding passenger seat that extends to 2.8 metres, and the 1.22-metre width at its narrowest point means the load bay can swallow two Europallets.
The e-NV200 beats its traditionally-powered sister when it comes to payload, at 770kg

Three full pallets in a van over distance

Minimum requirement

Shefwedfan

jeepcj wrote: »

are the electric vans still taxed under the normal commercial rate of 333?

I would guess they get the electric tax of 120

Shefwedfan

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Three full pallets in a van over distance

Minimum requirement

??????

SEPT 23 1989

Shefwedfan wrote: »

??????

Basic stuff if you are buying a van

Markcheese

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Basic stuff if you are buying a van

Okay physically that's a very big van, I have an extra long wheel base hiace,and couldnt get three standard pallets in it...
And weight wise they'd want to be light pallets (Styrofoam beads?), because if they're much more that 500kg weight each, you're overladen....

An nv 200 is a smaller van, as is an é kangoo, they're not c1 class trucks...

Shefwedfan

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Basic stuff if you are buying a van

What is basic stuff? What are you actually talking about?



Nissan have the eNV200
Renault have the Kangoo ZE

Renault new Zoe Carvan

VW have the e-Crafter

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/crafter/104464/volkswagen-e-crafter-review

Shefwedfan

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Three full pallets in a van over distance

Minimum requirement

The transit has a max load weight of 990kg.

The Proace for instance is 1000kg....some of the larger versions have a bit more....The eNV200 which is a much smaller van has the max of 770kg....doesn't seem a huge drop down? does it?

My brother had a transit and downsized the load area because it wasn't required and extra seats made more sense.



The most popular vans on the road at the moment are the cru-cab type vehicle with a smaller load area and additional seats. So the market would say you are incorrect as well?

So as I said ??????????

emeldc

OP, I have a 181 2.0L MWB Proace and I absolutely love it. It’s quick, comfortable, quiet, handles well at all speeds and does 40mpg. I’m just back from a 750km trip to the west of Ireland and I wouldn’t have been more comfortable in the car. If your worried about resale value, sure a 6 y/o van even in the good times was only worth a fraction of its new value. Treat yourself. You won’t be disappointed.

Mc-BigE

how big a van do you need? would a car derivated van /SUV do? or must it be a panel van? the car type vans are smaller/cheaper to run.

regarding diesel, you will also get VAT off the price of the diesel at the pump as a business. cant with petrol , not sure about VAT on electric charging

Insurance is becoming more expensive for Vans. so i would consider the cost of a van/company insurance , verses a big passenger vehicle, private insurance (sometimes cheaper car tax than 333) and put the back seat down when you need it to carry something

the private car/SUV may not suit (Ltd company BIK implication) but if your sole trader, it may be an option.

Dakota Dan

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Based on what?


Details below on the e-NV200. Better than the combustion engine version

For a compact van, the e-NV200 offers a lot of load space: like the diesel NV200 it has 4.2 cubic metres of volume in the rear, with a load bay of 2.04 metres. With the optional folding passenger seat that extends to 2.8 metres, and the 1.22-metre width at its narrowest point means the load bay can swallow two Europallets.
The e-NV200 beats its traditionally-powered sister when it comes to payload, at 770kg

What range will you get with the van fully laden?

Shefwedfan

Dakota Dan wrote: »

What range will you get with the van fully laden?

No idea.... never tested one.....

colm_mcm

Tests say the range halves when fully loaded.

Of course all vans range will reduce when fully loaded, but 50 NEDC miles mightn’t be practical for all.