realdanbreen wrote: »
I'm shocked that a Tory minister who is beholden to the DUP to stay in her job would come out and say that British army killings in the north were not crimes. Come to think of it, it must be the only memorable thing she has said since getting the NI job.
We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.
H. H. Asquith
jmayo wrote: »
I would be one of those lamenting the quality of Irish politicians, but the more we see and hear from our neighbours the more one thinks ours aren't really that bad.
Of course May is so screwed that she can't now afford to fire a minister even if they royally fook up as in Brady and Grayling.
Maybe May should move Grayling, the history graduate, to NI and Bradley, the tax manager, to transport.
It couldn't work out any worse, could it ?
Bradley like a lot of the conservatives recently are showing how little they know of Ireland and how dismissive they are towards the Irish.
The more I see and hear from them and a chunk of the British population the more I couldn't care about a hard Brexit.
They need a lesson in what their status is in the modern world and that their empire died a long time ago.
Fcuk Putin. Glory to Ukraine!
realdanbreen wrote: »
Looks like there is widespread condemnation for Karen Bradley comments from the Taoiseach down.
Deleted User wrote: »
Everyone is giving out that the Tory's don't know Irish history.
Fine, they have airbrushed Ireland being conquered/colonised/absorbed into the union out of their collective memory BUT Norther Ireland is not "Irish" (in the Free State sense).
Northern Ireland IS a part of the Union. They just don't actually give two f*cks about the Union unless it is England or has Scottish Oil. The troubles were not an "Irish" problem, they were a UK civil war. Ireland's hands are not clean with porous checks and more than a little collusion but it was an internal UK matter, for the main.
By, successive, British governments labelling Northern Ireland as an Irish issue they abdicated their responsibility to know/handle the situation. They have kept NI as a colonised state, under heel, as opposed to a member of their union.
Honestly how anyone, up there, can be loyal to London is honestly baffling to me, up to 2 years ago London would have happily shed NI if they could (and most still would) and show just how little they care based on their politicians knowledge and the public not knowing anything about a constituent member.
People can say the same about us not being able to point out all countries in the EU and their borders and, yeah, they have a bit of a point but to be fair there are a lot more countries, new-ish member from behind old Iron Curtain and EU is not a state like the UK
partyguinness wrote: »
There you go:9 November, 1990Peter Brookes "no selfish strategic interest" speech.
Peter Brooke said Britain had no "selfish strategic or economic interest" in Northern Ireland and would accept unification, if the people wished it. "It is not the aspiration to a sovereign, united Ireland against which we set our face, but its violent expression." The speech had a huge impact on republican thinking and paved the way for the Downing Street Declaration.
Taken from: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4072261.stm
Not your ornery onager
Esel wrote: »
The word 'selfish' is a crucial weasel word in this context.
They could still have these interests, just not selfish ones...