Driving in a cycle lane

billcullen1

Hi Folks,

a general enquiry can a motor vehicle drive in or be on part of a cycle track ? or is this a breach of rules of he road ? is there a fine or a penalty ?

jrmb

Surely there are very few cycle tracks that could even contain the average motor vehicle

Dial Hard

It depends on the cycle lane. Broken white line separating it from the road: yep, cars can drive in/on it. Solid white line: nope, cars can't encroach.

billcullen1

Dial Hard wrote: »

It depends on the cycle lane. Broken white line separating it from the road: yep, cars can drive in/on it. Solid white line: nope, cars can't encroach.

Would you anything that states that in writing ?

a very cool kid

billcullen1 wrote: »

Would you anything that states that in writing ?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Campaigns/Cyclists/Cycle%2520safety%2520booklet.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi904SE--bgAhVWRxUIHQmRD8gQFjABegQIDBAE&usg=AOvVaw3a_Xmw9MMkvvDITumKlxas

prinzeugen

billcullen1 wrote: »

Hi Folks,

a general enquiry can a motor vehicle drive in or be on part of a cycle track ? or is this a breach of rules of he road ? is there a fine or a penalty ?

The rules of the road are not law so cannot be breached. The road traffic act(s) are the law.

As posted already, broken line yes, solid line no unless for access to a driveway etc.

NUTLEY BOY

billcullen1 wrote: »

Would you anything that states that in writing ?

Where a bicycle lane is delineated by a continuous white line you will usually find a time plate indicating the operative hours of that lane.

ED E

RRM 022 - Solid line = No driving, no parking bar goods vehicles for 30 mins
RRM 023 - Dashed line = no parking bar goods vehicles for 30 mins, driving in IS OK

Within Dublin City Council's area there are bye laws that make this slightly more nuanced.

punisher5112

Many roads I drive on I have no choice but to drive in a cycle lane whether broken line or not.

Vehicles don't fit inside the actual traffic lanes in many places also.

Twenty Grand

punisher5112 wrote: »

Many roads I drive on I have no choice but to drive in a cycle lane whether broken line or not.

Vehicles don't fit inside the actual traffic lanes in many places also.

In many places the cycle lanes were added retrospectively, so the actual car lanes just got narrower.

GM228

ED E wrote: »

RRM 022 - Solid line = No driving, no parking bar goods vehicles for 30 mins
RRM 023 - Dashed line = no parking bar goods vehicles for 30 mins, driving in IS OK

Within Dublin City Council's area there are bye laws that make this slightly more nuanced.

Loading in RRM 022 is not permitted. Parking restrictions for cycle lanes is via Ministerial Regulation, not local authority bye-laws.

The appropriate laws as requested by the OP:-

Traffic and Parking Regulations 1997 (as amended) wrote:

Cycle tracks

14. (1) A cycle track shall be indicated by—

(a) traffic sign number RUS 009 (with-flow cycle track) provided in association with traffic sign number RRM 022 (continuous white line) or RRM 023 (broken white line) which latter signs may be marked on the right hand edge of the cycle track or on the right hand and left hand edges of the cycle track,

(b) traffic sign number RUS 059 (contra-flow cycle track) provided in association with traffic sign number RRM 022 (continuous white line) which may be marked on the right hand edge of the cycle track or on the left hand edge of the cycle track or on both sides, or

(c) traffic sign number RUS 058 (shared track for pedal cycles and pedestrians).

(2) The periods of operation of a cycle track may be indicated on an information plate which may be provided in association with traffic sign number RUS 009, RUS 059 or RUS 058.

(3) Where a cycle track, provided by traffic sign number RUS 009 in association with traffic sign number RRM 022 (continuous white line) or RRM 023 (broken white line), is two-way, pedal cycles shall be driven as near as possible to the left hand side of each lane.

(4)(a) A pedal cycle shall be driven on a cycle track that is on—

(i) a road,

(ii) a portion of a road, or

(iii) an area,

at the entrance to which traffic sign number RUS 021 (pedestrianised street or area) is provided.

(b) A pedal cycle shall be driven on a cycle track at the entrance to which traffic sign number RUS 059 (contra-flow cycle track) is provided and pedal cycles shall only be driven in the direction indicated by the contra-flow cycle track.

(5)(a) A mechanically propelled vehicle, other than a mechanically propelled wheelchair, shall not be driven along or across a cycle track on the right hand edge of which traffic sign number RRM 022 has been provided, save for the purposes of access to or egress from a place adjacent to the cycle track or from a roadway to such a place.

(b) A reference in paragraph (a) to driving along or across a cycle track shall include a reference to driving wholly or partly along or across a cycle track.

(6) Where a vehicle is parked on that part of a road in relation to which traffic sign number RUS 009 is provided in association with traffic sign number RRM 022 or RRM 023 or traffic sign number RUS 059 is provided in association with traffic sign number RRM 022 or at a place where traffic sign number RUS 058 is provided, in advance of the commencement of the period indicated on an information plate which may accompany traffic sign number RUS 009, RUS 059 or RUS 058, the parking of the said vehicle shall cease and the vehicle shall be removed from that part of the road prior to the commencement of that period save where article 5(5) applies.

(7)(a) A shared track shall be indicated by the provision of traffic sign number RUS 058 (shared track for pedal cycles and pedestrians) and the design displayed on the particular traffic sign number RUS 058 that is provided will indicate if the shared track is a non-segregated track where there is no visual or physical segregation of use between pedestrians and persons driving pedal cycles or if the shared track is a segregated track with a continuous white line on the track or a barrier provided along the length of the track signifying a separate area for use by persons driving pedal cycles and an adjoining separate area for use by pedestrians.

(b) At a location where traffic sign number RUS 058 indicates that a shared track is non-segregated, as described in paragraph (a), pedestrians and persons driving pedal cycles may use that track.

(c) At a location where traffic sign number RUS 058 indicates that a shared track is segregated, as described in paragraph (a), persons driving pedal cycles shall only use the area of the track that is designated on the sign for use by them and pedestrians shall only use the area of the track that is designated on the sign for use by them.

(d) A mechanically propelled vehicle, other than a mechanically propelled wheelchair, shall not be driven along or across a shared track where traffic sign number RUS 058 is provided, save for the purposes of access to or egress from a place adjacent to the shared track or from a roadway to such a place.

(e) A reference in paragraph (d) to driving along or across a shared track shall include a reference to driving wholly or partly along or across a shared track.

(f) The end of a prohibition or of a restriction under this sub-article shall be indicated by the provision of traffic sign number RUS 058 accompanied by an information plate specifying the word ‘Críoch/END’.

(g) In this sub-article, ‘pedestrians’ includes any person using a wheelchair, mechanically propelled, or otherwise.

Note S14(6) provides the exemption on parking as per S5(5) for loading, but it only applies to the shared (broken) RRM 023 cycle track:-

Traffic and Parking Regulations 1997 (as amended) wrote:

Non-application of certain Prohibitions and Restrictions

5.(5) A prohibition on the parking of a vehicle imposed by article 36 (2) (m) shall not apply to a vehicle parked in a cycle track, on the right hand edge of which traffic sign number RRM 023 has been provided, while goods are being loaded in or on to it or unloaded from it for a period not exceeding thirty minutes from the commencement of such parking.

Macy0161

In mandatory cycle lane - designated by RRM022, solid line - motorised vehicles are not allowed in. That includes squeezing past on the left of right turning vehicles Clonskeagh Road drivers!

mfceiling

punisher5112 wrote: »

Many roads I drive on I have no choice but to drive in a cycle lane whether broken line or not.

Vehicles don't fit inside the actual traffic lanes in many places also.

Wainsfort road near templeogue is exactly like this.

ED E

mfceiling wrote: »

Wainsfort road near templeogue is exactly like this.

Thats an "advisory" - it basically doesn't exist. Classic SDCC. Their area is full of em.

ED E

GM228 wrote: »

Loading in RRM 022 is not permitted. Parking restrictions for cycle lanes is via Ministerial Regulation, not local authority bye-laws.

The appropriate laws as requested by the OP:-
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Note S14(6) provides the exemption on parking as per S5(5) for loading, but it only applies to the shared (broken) RRM 023 cycle track:-

Just to clarify, has S.I. No. 182/1986 and similar been revoked?


To your second point, totally correct. This is why you're such a useful poster to have around

Guy:Incognito

If the cycle lane is on the path it's probably safe to say no ,you cant

But then, you'll probably find that's the safest place to dive if you want to avoid running over cyclists cos they'll all be on the road .

Effects

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

But then, you'll probably find that's the safest place to drive if you want to avoid running over cyclists cos they'll all be on the road .

The drivers will probably end up on the cycle path anyway as they'll all be driving drunk and have their heads buried in their phones.

Mod
Ah now, be fair. pls

GM228

ED E wrote: »

Just to clarify, has S.I. No. 182/1986 and similar been revoked?

In part, for example only S20 to S26, S28 to S30, S32, S33 and S35 to S40 of the 1986 bye-laws are still in force.

ED E

GM228 wrote: »

In part, for example only S20 to S26, S28 to S30, S32, S33 and S35 to S40 of the 1986 bye-laws are still in force.

As a lay person its a bit of head melter in terms of readability. Though even the RSA struggle so its not just me.

Seth Brundle

ED E wrote: »

As a lay person its a bit of head melter in terms of readability. Though even the RSA struggle so its not just me.

In fairness, the RSA's knowledge of the law is demonstratably poor!

mfceiling

ED E wrote: »

Thats an "advisory" - it basically doesn't exist. Classic SDCC. Their area is full of em.

But the cycle lanes are clearly marked and a separate colour. I presume there's no issue in having a wheel in them seeing as the driving lanes aren't wide enough for 2 vehicles to pass?

GM228

mfceiling wrote: »

But the cycle lanes are clearly marked and a separate colour. I presume there's no issue in having a wheel in them seeing as the driving lanes aren't wide enough for 2 vehicles to pass?

It does not matter if they are a different colour, what is important is if there is a solid or broken white line separating them, they have a broken white line and so are shared cycle lanes and so yes you can enter them.