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Transitioning to Scrumhalf

  • 01-03-2019 1:53pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭ Captain_Crash


    So, some opinions needed.



    Ive spent my whole playing life playing on the wing or at 15 (with the odd cameo here or there depending on who wants a 10 min nap in any given game) and still play at a relatively decent level. But I'm mid 30's now and am losing the pace needed to be competitive in my position, so I'm thinking of moving to 9 and giving something different a go.



    Am I mad?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 994 ✭✭✭ KBurke85


    My thinking would be a nine would do more running in a game than a full back or wing. You need to get to every ruck


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭ Captain_Crash


    KBurke85 wrote: »
    My thinking would be a nine would do more running in a game than a full back or wing. You need to get to every ruck


    Running isn't an issue at all, I'm plenty fit. Its just my once blistering pace *pats on back:P is diminishing. I would imagine being at 9 doesn't require as much speed per se, but a lot more running


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 61 ✭✭✭ Cartroubles


    Is your team missing a 9?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭ Captain_Crash


    Is your team missing a 9?


    No, its just a position I've always wanted to try and think I'd be able for it and if I'm able to give it a go then why not


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,501 ✭✭✭✭ thebaz


    think its a bit mad/wishful thinking given age - I played quite a few positions, and scrum half really is a young persons position , you need to keep up with play constantly - you rarely get a break, like you would at full back or wing - think centre might be a better choice or perhaps maybe do full back only , i can understand that wing also gets tougher as you get older and lose pace.


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  • Subscribers Posts: 36,216 ✭✭✭✭ sydthebeat


    are you a hot headed mouthy little fcuk ???


    :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭ Captain_Crash


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    are you a hot headed mouthy little fcuk ???


    :D

    Haha I am yeah! That’s a plus


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭ Captain_Crash


    thebaz wrote: »
    think its a bit mad/wishful thinking given age - I played quite a few positions, and scrum half really is a young persons position , you need to keep up with play constantly - you rarely get a break, like you would at full back or wing - think centre might be a better choice or perhaps maybe do full back only , i can understand that wing also gets tougher as you get older and lose pace.

    Thanks for the advice, and informative post! I’m in my 20+ season so moving would be difficult, I agree that it’s generally young lads and I can see why! But I have the fitness that’s for sure! FB only I’d love, but our FB is class and truth be told will be with the firsts in the AIL in a couple of years I reckon


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,865 ✭✭✭ clsmooth


    Can you pass well off both hands? Thats the most important thing


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭ The Rape of Lucretia


    Certainly not mad. I think if you feel inside that you are a scrumhalf, and are comfortable self-identifying as one, then no one should tell you you cant make the move. Bigots and old fashioned die hards may try to tell you that unless you have always been one then you can just decide to become one. Feck them though. Its 2019. You go for it scrummie.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭ Captain_Crash


    clsmooth wrote: »
    Can you pass well off both hands? Thats the most important thing

    Yeah, I have my dominate side but both are handy! (Pun very much intended)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,716 ✭✭✭ Utah_Saint


    Certainly not mad. I think if you feel inside that you are a scrumhalf, and are comfortable self-identifying as one, then no one should tell you you cant make the move. Bigots and old fashioned die hards may try to tell you that unless you have always been one then you can just decide to become one. Feck them though. Its 2019. You go for it scrummie.

    I define as a non-binary non-ability backrow...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 60 ✭✭✭ JitzNdHitz


    Changing to scrum half in 30s is a no go. No management is gonna change up an established scrum half for a former winger who is deciding he's gassed on his pace. You will need pace getting into position each offensive play.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,579 ✭✭✭✭ stephen_n


    Really depends on what level you’re playing at and how much you are willing to do additional training. I went from playing center and blindside to playing a full season at SH, at the ripe old age of 40. That was in a development team though as the coach decided he’d prefer someone experienced there, rather than a player just starting out. My decision making was pretty good but I had to work really hard on my passing and kicking. It’s not impossible but I’d say if you’re talking J3 or above it won’t happen. Maybe moving to 12 might be an easier transition if you’re playing at that level. You don’t need the top end pace there that you do in the back three.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭ Captain_Crash


    I think the general consensus is it’s doable but not easy! I’m playing at a much lower level now than I ever have (J2/3) but I suppose I have experience on my side if anything! Sure I can’t see why I shouldn’t give it a shot and if it doesn’t work it doesn’t work! Our SH’s are excellent, but we’ve only got 2 and seasons are long these days

    Thanks for the advice everyone, but can I be a non-binary gender fluid 9 who only identifies with even numbers?


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭ The Lost Sheep


    JitzNdHitz wrote: »
    Changing to scrum half in 30s is a no go. No management is gonna change up an established scrum half for a former winger who is deciding he's gassed on his pace. You will need pace getting into position each offensive play.
    Certainly isnt a no go and while OP says theyre playing at a relatively decent level we dont know what level it is and scrum half is as much about game management, awareness as anything else. you dont need massive pace to play scrum half


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,330 ✭✭✭✭ Losty Dublin


    Running isn't an issue at all, I'm plenty fit. Its just my once blistering pace *pats on back:P is diminishing. I would imagine being at 9 doesn't require as much speed per se, but a lot more running

    You should put on seven stone and come play in the forwards. You'll always get your game, you will pull all the birds, you won't ever have to worry about losing pace as nobody will expect you to have any pace and best of all, nobody will hate your guys and think you are a cocky so and so :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,402 ✭✭✭ Goodluck2me


    There is more to it than most would have you believe, things around the side of the scrum and rucks require experience, but the most important thing is an ability to see the flow of the game - when it needs to slow down and when to speed up - and being able to pass consistently off both hands at speed. Like getting a ball off the top of a line out and needing to hit a crashing Centre off your left, comfortable? Getting to every ruck and also knowing which line to run in support is also important. Out and out pace less so, just endurance.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,191 ✭✭✭ swiwi_


    Yeah don’t think pure pace a must. Don’t even think kicking that important at lower levels. No junior teams base their game plans around pinpoint box kicks and chasing wingers. But passing and option taking essential. Nothing more frustrating as an outside than seeing the 9 head down the blindside and bundled into touch while the 3 on 1 overlap existed on the open.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭ arsebiscuits1


    I'm an aging 9 who is played primarily on the wing so I can relate to you.

    I much prefer 9 because there is a lot more to do so I can stay in the game a lot more mentally.

    I just don't have it in me anymore to be doing the 60 metre sprints (often chasing back I might add...)

    The hardest part of playing 9 is when it's a nice day and the lads try and play wide-wide. There might be times I've had to cover 300m in 4 phases when we're trying to stretch defense but for the most part it's fine.

    It's a lot of constant running but very little high intensity running.

    If you've played a lot of full back you can add that in to your scrumhalf play. I know a lot of teams including us go for that auxiliary sweeper/ back field cover when a winger has shot up.

    Also. Nuts to anyone saying you can't or shouldn't. If you can pass you'll be fine. You've the experience clearly which takes a lot of pressure off 10.

    Have you a bit of size on you? Huge advantage at any level for a 9 but I've seen a lot of decent sized 9's prosper at junior rugby when they've a bit of ballast on them


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,927 Mod ✭✭✭✭ CatFromHue


    you'd want to be careful using the phrase transitioning, Graham Lenihan will be on to you in no time :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭ Captain_Crash


    I much prefer 9 because there is a lot more to do so I can stay in the game a lot more mentally.

    Have you a bit of size on you? Huge advantage at any level for a 9 but I've seen a lot of decent sized 9's prosper at junior rugby when they've a bit of ballast on them

    Yeah the wing can get quiet at J3 level and attention can drift away, I find I’m much better and more consistent in the games that spread out wide more and have us wingers involved, so I imagine at 9 you just don’t have the time to drift off

    I’d be the ave size back field player, touching 6ft and stocky enough! Normal amateur winger/FB


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,419 ✭✭✭ evil_seed


    So you're a fullback that identifies as a scrum half?
    Is there such a thing as transpostional operations? You'll need one if true


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