Suicide tips in childrens cartoons

beejee

Another boon for the internet. This time the freaks have begun adding suicide tips into childrens cartoons on youtube.

Apparently they are well-hidden, usually minutes into the cartoons.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/02/youtube-kids-cartoons-include-tips-for-committing-suicide-docs-warn/

The pros (babysitter) of allowing your children access to the internet is woefully outweighed by the negatives.

What are you going to do, look through each and every second of what your children are watching? The internet is not for children in my opinion, full stop, and internet enabled phones shouldn't be given until much later in their development (and even then!)

Why would anyone do such a thing to children? Its not worth an argument, theyre freaks, they populate the internet because theyre freaks, if you want your children exposed to freaks let them on the internet, and that's the end of the story.

Deebles McBeebles

#notmymomo

Grayson

haven't google brought in certified playlists for this? And Amazon have kids apps. The amazon kindle fire for kids has a load of stuff prescreened.

It is weird that people create these video's though.

cgcsb

Proof or it didn't happen

Boom_Bap

cgcsb wrote: »

Proof or it didn't happen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1v8vevfOf0

magic_murph

this is just the next incarnation of the ellsagate videos

beejee

Grayson wrote: »

haven't google brought in certified playlists for this? And Amazon have kids apps. The amazon kindle fire for kids has a load of stuff prescreened.

It is weird that people create these video's though.

The internet is an unregulated dirt-hole, the companies don't give a crap, and probably cant do anything anyway.

What kind of results are people are expecting?

Why is the onus on parents to regulate the unregulatable? Why isn't television allowed be unregulated in such a way? "Heres the remote control for the television, but please don't watch the suicide channel, little 8 year old. Please don't watch the beheadings channel, depressed youth"

Silly stuff.

jimgoose

Boom_Bap wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1v8vevfOf0

Peppa - Limerick Cit-AAAHH!!

noodler

The videos posted here are quite clearly piss takes and its clear from their titles.

I assume there are more sinister ones Knocking about?

Boom_Bap

The video I posted was on KidsTube at one point.

beejee

noodler wrote: »

The videos posted here are quite clearly piss takes and its clear from their titles.

I assume there are more sinister ones Knocking about?

That's the problem. The ones identified have been removed. But how do you find them when they might be only 10 seconds long hidden amongst 30 minutes of video?

Good luck!

Lollipops23

This stuff has been going on for years- I was babysitting a cousin's kid in around 2010 and playing Dora clips for her on YouTube, only to find half of them were spliced with weird content. Luckily I wasn't dumb enough to leave a 3 year old alone with YouTube and simply switched it off.

Are modern parents really this lazy/thick?

retro:electro

This was posted in a group that my sister is in on Facebook.

beejee

Lollipops23 wrote: »

This stuff has been going on for years- I was babysitting a cousin's kid in around 2010 and playing Dora clips for her on YouTube, only to find half of them were spliced with weird content. Luckily I wasn't dumb enough to leave a 3 year old alone with YouTube and simply switched it off.

Are modern parents really this lazy/thick?

Yes.

And generally uneducated on the internet to boot.

jimgoose

noodler wrote: »

The videos posted here are quite clearly piss takes and its clear from their titles.

I assume there are more sinister ones Knocking about?

Well, the "Limerick"-style Peppa cartoons feature shockingly bad language and references to bags of weed and occasionally car theft, but they depict a basically happy, if slightly dysfunctional, family. I'd say the worst thing to expect is the three-year-old rocking up to the breakfast table some morning yelling "Yurt! Wha's happenin', gomie fuckers??" :pac::pac::pac:

Giveaway

I remember when our national broadcaster accidently played Tin Cup at 4pm. Ban telly

Giveaway

Here's a revolutionary idea. Instead of letting your child watch user uploaded content, use any of the tv internet players or netflix. Clowns and facebook scares

jimgoose

beejee wrote: »

The internet is an unregulated dirt-hole, the companies don't give a crap, and probably cant do anything anyway.

What kind of results are people are expecting?

Why is the onus on parents to regulate the unregulatable? Why isn't television allowed be unregulated in such a way? "Heres the remote control for the television, but please don't watch the suicide channel, little 8 year old. Please don't watch the beheadings channel, depressed youth"

Silly stuff.

TV is broadcasting. The Internet isn't, it's rather different. In short, people need to get clued up on this stuff before allowing their children to access it. People need to get to know about firewalls and various other protections, and not throw their eyes up to heaven and whine "Oooh, I don't understand that techy stuff!" whenever someone like me mentions OpenDNS or something. Well guess what? Your eight-year-old daughter does. But not half as well as the lunatic in Wisconsin who's going to try to talk her into hurting herself because, y'know, it's fun an' shit.

Tell me again about how you're too cool to understand all that techy stuff, and that the Gummit should regulate all these problems out of your life anyway??

beejee

jimgoose wrote: »

TV is broadcasting. The Internet isn't, it's rather different. In short, people need to get clued up on this stuff before allowing their children to access it. People need to get to know about firewalls and various other protections, and not throw their eyes up to heaven and whine "Oooh, I don't understand that techy stuff!". Well guess what? Your eight-year-old daughter does. But not half as well as the lunatic in Wisconsin who's going to try to talk her into hurting herself because, y'know, it's fun an' shit.

Tell me again about how you're too cool to understand all that techy stuff, and that the Gummit should regulate all these problems out of your life anyway??

Who wants all these extra responsibilities? I understand and agree with your point, but there has to come a time where it just isn't worth it.

Instead of trying to navigate a child through a minefield each and every day, trying to identify the latest placement of explosives each and every day, its probably best to just stop walking through the mine-field altogether.

It would be different if there was a sack of gold on the other side of the minefield, but lets be realistic here, the minefield is simply being used as a babysitter most of the time.

Not worth it anymore to me, its just getting too much.

jimgoose

beejee wrote: »

Who wants all these extra responsibilities? I understand and agree with your point, but there has to come a time where it just isn't worth it.

Instead of trying to navigate a child through a minefield each and every day, trying to identify the latest placement of explosives each and every day, its probably best to just stop walking through the mine-field altogether.

It would be different if there was a sack of gold on the other side of the minefield, but lets be realistic here, the minefield is simply being used as a babysitter most of the time.

Not worth it anymore to me, its just getting too much.

As you wish. That's a valid approach. The point is, you are now the SysAdmin, as is every parent with a broadband connection to the home and several enabled devices around the place.

beejee

Giveaway wrote: »

Here's a revolutionary idea. Instead of letting your child watch user uploaded content, use any of the tv internet players or netflix. Clowns and facebook scares

Heres a genuinely revolutionary idea: stop allowing children access to the same spaces as the sickest, weirdest people on the planet.

Deebles McBeebles

beejee wrote: »

Heres a genuinely revolutionary idea: stop allowing children access to the same spaces as the sickest, weirdest people on the planet.

Aye, they have no interest in going to mass these days anyway.

beejee

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Aye, they have no interest in going to mass these days anyway.

Whatever about churches, I don't think there were ever people standing at an altar instructing children to "cut across the wrist to get attention, cut down to get results kids!" all wrapped up in laughter and games?

These lunatics are on a whole different level, and with unprecedented reach, literally appearing in your car, your bathroom, your living room, everywhere the child could be. Its equivalent to having a monster shadow your childs every waking hour.

noodler

Giveaway wrote: »

Here's a revolutionary idea. Instead of letting your child watch user uploaded content, use any of the tv internet players or netflix. Clowns and facebook scares

Very true.

YouTube can never be regulated to the same extent.

The peppa screen grab is off putting though obviously.

Bio Mech

beejee wrote: »

Heres a genuinely revolutionary idea: stop allowing children access to the same spaces as the sickest, weirdest people on the planet.

The planet is a space

Deebles McBeebles

beejee wrote: »

Whatever about churches, I don't think there were ever people standing at an altar instructing children to "cut across the wrist to get attention, cut down to get results kids!" all wrapped up in laughter and games?

These lunatics are on a whole different level, and with unprecedented reach, literally appearing in your car, your bathroom, your living room, everywhere the child could be. Its equivalent to having a monster shadow your childs every waking hour.

Was just taking the p*ss to be honest (and not to get off topic) but what priests did was sexual assault sometimes wrapped up in laughter and games, I would say that is worse.

Your second paragraph absolutely reeks of an over reaction on the same level as "Won't somebody think of the children". Just parent your kids and this shouldn't be too much of an issue.

loyatemu

interesting article on the phenomenon here:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jun/17/peppa-pig-youtube-weird-algorithms-automated-content

Cienciano

Lollipops23 wrote: »

This stuff has been going on for years- I was babysitting a cousin's kid in around 2010 and playing Dora clips for her on YouTube, only to find half of them were spliced with weird content. Luckily I wasn't dumb enough to leave a 3 year old alone with YouTube and simply switched it off.

Are modern parents really this lazy/thick?

A kid is watching youtube, leave the room for a minute and you're lazy/thick? Put me down as both then, because I've often done that.

Report me:

https://www.tusla.ie/services/child-protection-welfare/contact-a-social-worker/

Blazer

Cienciano wrote: »

A kid is watching youtube, leave the room for a minute and you're lazy/thick? Put me down as both then, because I've often done that.

Report me:

https://www.tusla.ie/services/child-protection-welfare/contact-a-social-worker/

You shouldn’t be letting kids watch unrestricted YouTube
It’s common frakkin sense which seems to be missing from a lot of people today who want to take no responsibility for their own actions.

Giveaway

Cienciano wrote: »

A kid is watching youtube, leave the room for a minute and you're lazy/thick? Put me down as both then, because I've often done that.

Report me:

https://www.tusla.ie/services/child-protection-welfare/contact-a-social-worker/

Nah just heedless

Hoboo

Cienciano wrote: »

A kid is watching youtube, leave the room for a minute and you're lazy/thick? Put me down as both then, because I've often done that.

Report me:

https://www.tusla.ie/services/child-protection-welfare/contact-a-social-worker/

I think the lazy parenting part is the fact a child is on youtube in the first place, instead of doing something nurturing, creative, interactive, developmental, and so on. Peppa likes to jump in puddles. Brain numbing $hit3. Kids should be out jumping in puddles themselves, not watching a pig slip on her wellies and splash about. I'll be told next that its educational, and how else would they learn to put on their wellies and jump in puddles.

beejee

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Was just taking the p*ss to be honest (and not to get off topic) but what priests did was sexual assault sometimes wrapped up in laughter and games, I would say that is worse.

Your second paragraph absolutely reeks of an over reaction on the same level as "Won't somebody think of the children". Just parent your kids and this shouldn't be too much of an issue.

Nothing is worse than some freak quite literally giving your child instructions on how to kill themselves. Nothing.

This thing really touched a nerve with me, so well hidden and insidious, so its easy to come across as "clutching the pearls". But man, some things are just so evil in intent that it requires the necessary reaction.

Is it possible to over-state a reaction to a child being told how to kill themselves? I don't know!

Deebles McBeebles

beejee wrote: »

Nothing is worse than some freak quite literally giving your child instructions on how to kill themselves. Nothing.

Not even someone sexually abusing your child? Seriously? Kids have a choice when they see this stuff at least, they can ignore it.

beejee

Blazer wrote: »

You shouldn’t be letting kids watch unrestricted YouTube
It’s common frakkin sense which seems to be missing from a lot of people today who want to take no responsibility for their own actions.

Its fair to criticise leaving a child unattended at the internet (hence my bug-a-boo about phones in general), but at the same time you cant blame someone for simply going with the flow. Initially, at least.

The idea of plonking a child in front of the internet for hours is so expected these days that its normal.

I think a lot of it comes down to the generational divide. Whereas these parents may have been plonked in front of a television, and therefore assume the internet is the same thing for their children now, the fact is that television and the internet are wildly different, barely comparable.

ImARebel

youtube for kids is littered with this stuff, years ago after taking a browse through it one night, i removed access to it. I remember trying to tell other parents what I'd seen they didn't want to know, like WTF?!

My kids use an amazon fire with the kids profiles set up - for peace of mind it's the only way to go. it's totally locked down

my 9 year old hates me as a result because she knows she doesn't get to see half of what her friends see...but as I try to explain to her you can't unsee something - once you've seen it you've seen it and there is no way back from it.

Only time they get (normal) youtube is when we're there seeing what they are seeing and easily able to shout "ok google stop playing" if needed (to date thankfully it hasn't been needed)

beejee

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Not even someone sexually abusing your child? Seriously? Kids have a choice when they see this stuff at least, they can ignore it.

You are making an equivalence between one terrible thing happening as a fact, and the other terrible thing being avoided. That's not a fair comparison.

In a dreadful hypothetical, would you choose death for your child over molestation? That's the real comparison.

In a choice between one horrible thing and another, one is many magnitudes worse than the other.

Captcha

Its probably, SKY, Comcast, Virgin, HBo you name it trolls doing this to drive people back to rip off TV packages

Deebles McBeebles

beejee wrote: »

In a dreadful hypothetical, would you choose death for your child over molestation? That's the real comparison.

That would be the real comparison if we were talking about children killing themselves but we're not.

beejee

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

That would be the real comparison if we were talking about children killing themselves but we're not.

Then equally, we are not considering molestation as a fact, and only a threat.

So, in terms of threat, is your child at more risk from a molester, or cartoons with instructions on how to cut their wrists?

Low odds either way, but one threat can be around your child all live long day via the phone.

Anyway, I think this kind of stuff is the last straw for me. No internet for children from now on. In a risk versus reward appraisal, it isn't even close to worth it anymore. Everyone else can make up their own minds about what to potentially expose their own children to.

beejee

Captcha wrote: »

Its probably, SKY, Comcast, Virgin, HBo you name it trolls doing this to drive people back to rip off TV packages

Yeah, the internet is such a clean and safe environment, free of psychos, that the only way anything bad could come out of the internet is a conspiracy from multinational telecom giants to sell stuff by inserting kill-yourself instructions into cartoons.

Church on Tuesday

Lollipops23 wrote: »

This stuff has been going on for years- I was babysitting a cousin's kid in around 2010 and playing Dora clips for her on YouTube, only to find half of them were spliced with weird content. Luckily I wasn't dumb enough to leave a 3 year old alone with YouTube and simply switched it off.

Are modern parents really this lazy/thick?

Sadly a lot of them are.

I'm not a parent and I don't want to come across as glib, but the lack of common sense when it comes to even basic parenting is breathtaking by times.

Giveaway

its not just parents being laziness.
its a big societal change where there is no personal responsibility and if anything needs to be done its somebody else's job,, eg why doesn;t the government stop this internet stuff, house me, pay me etc

In times past we used to worry about children watching inappropriate or too much tv. However a television is a big screen in the corner of a room, it’s content can be seen and indeed by parents going about the house, so at least there was always that much safety about it. I am not a parent, but I would pose this question to parents & guardians: would you leave a TV set in the privacy of your, eg six year old’s room with the zapper for to choose any channel, any program at all they wished or might stumble upon as they flick through the channels? Terrifying horror movies, explicit content, violence etc, enough to at best give nightmares and phobias, at worse to change the child’s mindset. Most people would say “of course I wouldn’t approve of that, it’s only the funny cartoons and nature programs I let them watch”. With the internet on a small personal screen how could a parent be reasonably sure they weren’t coming across stuff seriously unsuitable for little minds. I think we are going to look back on the days of children being left to their own devices (literally) a bit the the way we might now look back on babies bouncing freely on the seats of cars in the pre seatbelt and child seat days. By all means educational online material is terrific, with an incredible amount of good things to be discovered. But I think no child under 7 should be using any screens whatsoever, and until teenage years all content should be very closely monitored, and then with plenty of guidance and support given to older children and adolescents. Maybe technology could come up with “paired internet viewing” (if this is not already easily available) where a parent could see on their own device what their child is viewing. And maybe when child enters certain search terms like sex, death, violence, nude, porn, drugs, that it could flag an alarm through an app on parent’s phone. I don’t know if such is already available, but I believe it is something which will in the future be pretty much the norm; as I might say, a virtual safety restraint for the child.

Irish Guitarist

Nadine Kaslow, a past president of the American Psychological Association and professor at Emory University School of Medicine, told the Post that simply taking down the videos isn’t enough. “For children who have been exposed, they’ve been exposed. There needs to be messaging—this is why it’s not okay.” Vulnerable children, perhaps too young to understand suicide, may develop nightmares or try harming themselves out of curiosity, she warned.

What does she expect YouTube to do? Make a public service announcement?

If you let your kids watch a Peppa Pig video uploaded by some anonymous stranger that has no connection with the company that makes the cartoon that's the risk you run. It took me a couple of seconds to find the official Peppa Pig YouTube channel.

The videos should be taken down but after that YouTube shouldn't be expected to do anything else.

If you really wanted something done it would be a better idea to contact the company that holds the copyright for the original cartoon. They have more stake in going after the offender than YouTube does.

Cienciano

Hoboo wrote: »

I think the lazy parenting part is the fact a child is on youtube in the first place, instead of doing something nurturing, creative, interactive, developmental, and so on. Peppa likes to jump in puddles. Brain numbing $hit3. Kids should be out jumping in puddles themselves, not watching a pig slip on her wellies and splash about. I'll be told next that its educational, and how else would they learn to put on their wellies and jump in puddles.

YouTube is full of educational videos, it's not just peppa pig. And if you think you're going to raise a child without ever watching tv, you're going to be in for a shock when you have kids yourself

ceadaoin.

Hoboo wrote: »

I think the lazy parenting part is the fact a child is on youtube in the first place, instead of doing something nurturing, creative, interactive, developmental, and so on. Peppa likes to jump in puddles. Brain numbing $hit3. Kids should be out jumping in puddles themselves, not watching a pig slip on her wellies and splash about. I'll be told next that its educational, and how else would they learn to put on their wellies and jump in puddles.

Sometimes stuff has to get done, it's not really feasible to constantly entertain children. Parents who do that are also criticised for being helicopter parents/martyrs and raising children with no idea how to fend for themselves.

Nothing wrong with age appropriate TV shows, obviously with supervision. I deleted YouTube from my daughter's tablet, even the kids version is full of weird ****. She can watch the odd Minecraft video but she knows not to click on anything without asking me first. Clearly I'm the worst mother ever for the fact that she even has a tablet, even though it's filled with educational apps and books

Atoms for Peace

Giveaway wrote: »

I remember when our national broadcaster accidently played Tin Cup at 4pm. Ban telly

Isn't that a film about golf?