DVLA have stopped issuing a certificate of permanent export since January 2019?

gooner99

Read about this on Facebook. Is it true?

alias no.9

The DVLA never issued any certificate of permanent export so it's hard to see how they'd stop?

The certificate of permanent export is a tear off slip on the V5 registration document. It's sent back to the DVLA and the new owner takes the rest of the V5 to give to the relevant registration authority in the country the car is being exported to.

CiniO

gooner99 wrote: »

Read about this on Facebook. Is it true?

I wasn't aware of that, but after quick googling looks like you're right.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/application-for-a-certificate-of-permanent-export

They've withdrawn way of applying for it.

And now there's nothing mentioned in this document about possibility of obtaining it.
https://www.gov.uk/taking-vehicles-out-of-uk

I also found few more websites confirming it's not issued anymore.


Looks like now there's only buying a car with V5C or not buying it at all.

CiniO

alias no.9 wrote: »

The DVLA never issued any certificate of permanent export so it's hard to see how they'd stop?

The certificate of permanent export is a tear off slip on the V5 registration document. It's sent back to the DVLA and the new owner takes the rest of the V5 to give to the relevant registration authority in the country the car is being exported to.

Incorrect.
There used to be a document called certificate of permanent export V561.
It was issued to people who exported vehicles from UK, but didn't hold original V5C and didn't have UK address to apply for new one.

This document was enough to register the car.

alias no.9

CiniO wrote: »

Incorrect.
There used to be a document called certificate of permanent export V561.
It was issued to people who exported vehicles from UK, but didn't hold original V5C and didn't have UK address to apply for new one.

This document was enough to register the car.

Fair enough, it was only a consideration when the seller didn't have a V5, so you're talking write offs and other instances of dubious provenance. There are more than enough worthwhile cars on the market with correct paperwork to bother with that crap.

mickdw

Was used to get registration certs for all sorts. Im surprised they issued them at all.
I dealt with that process once. Bought an old honda 50 in UK, no book.
Filled the form, waited 1 month and a cert for a suzuki vitara arrived.
Eventually got in touch with someone who could do something about it, just sent out the correct cert leaving me with this very dodgy cert for some innocent persons vitara.
They appeared to be very little checks involved.
I know they tightened up on it in recent years where write off could no longer be issued a cert.... that was used to registered dangerous write offs here for years as it by passed the need for an engineer's inspection in UK.

bfa1509

CiniO wrote: »

I wasn't aware of that, but after quick googling looks like you're right.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/application-for-a-certificate-of-permanent-export

They've withdrawn way of applying for it.

And now there's nothing mentioned in this document about possibility of obtaining it.
https://www.gov.uk/taking-vehicles-out-of-uk

I also found few more websites confirming it's not issued anymore.


Looks like now there's only buying a car with V5C or not buying it at all.

Also mentioned on the Irish Revenue website:

https://www.revenue.ie/en/news/articles/used-vehicles-imported-from-the-united-kingdom.aspx

CiniO

mickdw wrote: »

I know they tightened up on it in recent years where write off could no longer be issued a cert.... that was used to registered dangerous write offs here for years as it by passed the need for an engineer's inspection in UK.

There used to be salvage certificates issued for write offs from UK which were accepted in Ireland for registering those vehicles. This has stopped in 2012 afair though.

And your argument about inspection in UK is a bit of a miss.
Category D vehicles didn't need any inspection to come back on the road or be issued V5C.
Category C had to go through inspection, but this only consisted of checking VIN numbers and making sure they are not forged.
No checks on quality of repairs was ever made during those inspection.
Also those inspections ceased about 1 or 2 years ago, and since then, in case of category C write off you only needed to apply for V5C or cert of permanent export and you'd get it.

Esel

alias no.9 wrote: »

Fair enough, it was only a consideration when the seller didn't have a V5, so you're talking write offs and other instances of dubious provenance. There are more than enough worthwhile cars on the market with correct paperwork to bother with that crap.

No, it was mainly used when the buyer did not receive the V5C from the seller, usually because the seller insisted on sending the cert to the DVLA (which is correct procedure when selling to UK resident, but not when buyer is exporting the car), and the buyer did not realise they needed and should have been given the V5C.

In this scenario, which has happened to a lot of Irish buyers over the years, the V561 cert of permanent export which they could request from the DVLA saved the day and allowed the car to be registered here.

That option is now gone, so: no V5C, no way to register here.

The seller not having the V5C in the first place is a very different scenario to the above.

gooner99

The story is up on a Donegal news website....

https://www.donegaldaily.com/2019/02/27/warning-issued-to-donegal-drivers-over-new-regulations-on-uk-car-imports/