FBI clearance

Yank67

I'm an American living in Ireland for 25yrs. I have residency and permission to work. Recently I was offered employment and had to get garda vetting.. No problem. But the company wants me to get clearance from America as well. I haven't lived or worked there in 25yrs! Does any one have any input on this?

MrMusician18

Yank67 wrote: »

I'm an American living in Ireland for 25yrs. I have residency and permission to work. Recently I was offered employment and had to get garda vetting.. No problem. But the company wants me to get clearance from America as well. I haven't lived or worked there in 25yrs! Does any one have any input on this?

Tell whatever jobsworth that's looking for that to cop on? That it's not possible to get?
I've lived in the UK, that's what I'd tell them if I was asked to get UK police vetted too.

laotg

Yank67 wrote:

I'm an American living in Ireland for 25yrs. I have residency and permission to work. Recently I was offered employment and had to get garda vetting.. No problem. But the company wants me to get clearance from America as well. I haven't lived or worked there in 25yrs! Does any one have any input on this?

Put the shoe on the other foot and see it from the employers viewpoint. If they didn't ask for FBI clearance and you end up doing something illegal in this new job and then it further transpires you have a string of offences from the USA then the employer is at fault for not carrying out due diligence.

For all they know you could have been a serial offender there and only came to Ireland to get away from the heat.

If you've nothing to hide then you've nothing to fear.

Yank67

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Tell whatever jobsworth that's looking for that to cop on? That it's not possible to get?
I've lived in the UK, that's what I'd tell them if I was asked to get UK police vetted too.

It's just mind boggling.. even if I did do a crime 25 years ago I would imagine that it would be undeclarable by now. I already told them that I wouldn't have a clue how to even start that process. I was told to Google it! 🙈

OU812

You have to do clearances for any place you've lived for over six months. We used to advise people to get local enforcement clearance rather than federal as it was MUCH faster.

laotg

There's a catalogue of convictions that don't go away after any length of time.

What sector is this job in?

Also, I've spent 20 seconds googling how get FBI clearance and got the result. You obviously don't want the job.

yabadabado

If you want the job you better start making an effort to find the info.The employer is correct to ask for this info.

Police Clearance Certificate is what's needed and forms are available online.Takes about 4 months to get the clearence from FBI.

Afaik some sectors will only accept the info for USA from the FBI .

OMM 0000

I agree it's a bit excessive. Even if you did commit a crime 30 years ago, surely we should want to live in a society where people can move on from mistakes they made a long time ago.

I don't really see a way around it though?

Assuming you have other career options, I would consider giving this one a miss. Sounds like they are incredibly by the book. I hate those sorts of organisations.

Yank67

laotg wrote: »

There's a catalogue of convictions that don't go away after any length of time.

What sector is this job in?

Receptionist in a child service . I have no argument on why they would ask for clearance. But I don't know how to go about it. And didn't even know if it was possible to do.

yabadabado

Yank67 wrote: »

Receptionist in a child service . I have no argument on why they would ask for clearance. But I don't know how to go about it. And didn't even know if it was possible to do.

It's all there on US embassy and FBI site.2 minutes on Google will have the process started.

laotg

OMM 0000 wrote:

I agree it's a bit excessive. Even if you did commit a crime 30 years ago, surely we should want to live in a society where people can move on from mistakes they made a long time ago.

Some crimes yes ,people should be given a second chance but at the other end of the scale are sexual offences and offences against children. I don't think anyone would be comfortable with a convictee of these crimes looking after vulnerable persons, no matter how long ago it happened.

Yank67

OU812 wrote: »

You have to do clearances for any place you've lived for over six months. We used to advise people to get local enforcement clearance rather than federal as it was MUCH faster.

Hi! How do I go about doing that? I'm worried that if the time frame is too long that I'll lose the job. I don't even know where to start. Thanks for any help you have.

laotg

Yank67 wrote:

Receptionist in a child service . I have no argument on why they would ask for clearance. But I don't know how to go about it. And didn't even know if it was possible to do.

As high risk as you can get. You won't be avoiding getting clearance.

Yank67

Thank you everyone! I'll get onto that first thing in the morning. Thanks for all the info and insight.

OU812

Yank67 wrote: »

Hi! How do I go about doing that? I'm worried that if the time frame is too long that I'll lose the job. I don't even know where to start. Thanks for any help you have.

Just contact the local police departments for wherever you lived. They'll be able to process clearance certs in about two weeks. FBI will take about 4 months

Yank67

yabadabado wrote: »

If you want the job you better start making an effort to find the info.The employer is correct to ask for this info.

Police Clearance Certificate is what's needed and forms are available online.Takes about 4 months to get the clearence from FBI.

Afaik some sectors will only accept the info for USA from the FBI .

Ok.. Thanks for that. I'll look into it further! Asap if it takes that long.

Yank67

laotg wrote: »

There's a catalogue of convictions that don't go away after any length of time.

What sector is this job in?

Also, I've spent 20 seconds googling how get FBI clearance and got the result. You obviously don't want the job.

Lol.... Yes I must not want the job. Glad you took the time out to be pretentious and unhelpful.

Yank67

laotg wrote: »

Put the shoe on the other foot and see it from the employers viewpoint. If they didn't ask for FBI clearance and you end up doing something illegal in this new job and then it further transpires you have a string of offences from the USA then the employer is at fault for not carrying out due diligence.

For all they know you could have been a serial offender there and only came to Ireland to get away from the heat.

If you've nothing to hide then you've nothing to fear.

Very true!

Yank67

yabadabado wrote: »

It's all there on US embassy and FBI site.2 minutes on Google will have the process started.

I did it... Just have to go get the finger prints done and send it off to complete application. Thank you

Yank67

Ok..I was able to do it online... Downloaded finger print form. Need to go to garda barracks to get that done and send it off. $18. All my stressing for nothing. Thank you everyone.

Shinynails

Yank67 wrote: »

Ok..I was able to do it online... Downloaded finger print form. Need to go to garda barracks to get that done and send it off. $18. All my stressing for nothing. Thank you everyone.

Hello, how long from posting the form to the FBI did you wait for the certificate to arrive?
I’m currently waiting for mine. They took the $18 from my Visa card 2 weeks ago.

Yank67

Shinynails wrote: »

Hello, how long from posting the form to the FBI did you wait for the certificate to arrive?
I’m currently waiting for mine. They took the $18 from my Visa card 2 weeks ago.

It actually took a month. The admin on the FBI side isn't great. It went missing and then was found. I was then
told that they didn't receive my fingerprints and then the next day from receiving that email I received my clearance by email.
I might have been the exception.. but keep on to them!

Shinynails

Yank67 wrote: »

It actually took a month. The admin on the FBI side isn't great. It went missing and then was found. I was then
told that they didn't receive my fingerprints and then the next day from receiving that email I received my clearance by email.
I might have been the exception.. but keep on to them!

Thanks for replying.

I never even thought to email them. I’ll get on to them now.
Did you use the digital fingerprints?
I used regular prints and I’m hoping there’s no paperwork issue!

Yank67

Shinynails wrote: »

Thanks for replying.

I never even thought to email them. I’ll get on to them now.
Did you use the digital fingerprints?
I used regular prints and I’m hoping there’s no paperwork issue!

Hi!
identity@fbi.gov that's the email I used and they replied back to it.
I sent my fingerprints in as my Garda barracks didn't have the digital facility.
I think I was the only one arguing with the FBI. Lol
track the mail and keep on to them.
Mine was sitting in the post office for a few days before some one came to sign for it. 🙄
Good luck and let me know how you get on!

the14thwarrior

I did it, it took about 4 months, could not do digital.
ink pad very messy..........

however, on the bright side, once you get it done once, you won't have to do it again unless you go work in the USA. while you might need different garda vetting for different jobs and employers, your FBI clearance will stay current.

my advice is to take copious copies, scan and save for email, so you'll never have to do it again

Shinynails

Yank67 wrote: »

Hi!

I sent my fingerprints in as my Garda barracks didn't have the digital facility.
I think I was the only one arguing with the FBI. Lol
track the mail and keep on to them.
Mine was sitting in the post office for a few days before some one came to sign for it.
Good luck and let me know how you get on!

It arrived back today! I had posted the form from Ireland on 17th Jan.

Just a note on the clearance it says that there is ‘no prior arrest data at the FBI but this does not preclude further criminal history at state or local level’

Surely this is standard and acceptable to employers and I won’t have to contact local police departments?

Yank67

Shinynails wrote: »

It arrived back today! I had posted the form from Ireland on 17th Jan.

Just a note on the clearance it says that there is ‘no prior arrest data at the FBI but this does not preclude further criminal history at state or local level’

Surely this is standard and acceptable to employers and I won’t have to contact local police departments?

That's great!! Did you get copy in the post and by email?
I think ,'no prior arrest data at the FBI but this does not preclude further criminal history at state or local level’ just means you haven't done anything to bring attention to FBI. Any new employer isn't going to care that you had a traffic violation..
Good luck with your new job!!

Shinynails

Yank67 wrote: »

That's great!! Did you get copy in the post and by email?
I think ,'no prior arrest data at the FBI but this does not preclude further criminal history at state or local level’ just means you haven't done anything to bring attention to FBI. Any new employer isn't going to care that you had a traffic violation..
Good luck with your new job!!

I just received a copy in the post, no email. They don’t email results unless you submit digital prints as far as I know. They did respond to my query when I emailed about my application status.
Thank you