My solution to public service strikes

Crock Rock

All new hires to be hired on no strike contracts, they can join a union, absolutely, as is their right, but the law doesn't enshrine the right to strike.


All new hires will be hied on the same contracts as existing staff except for the fact that they must sign a no-strike agreement, lots of private sector companies have this.


Public sector workers only have to work for 20 years anyway on a massively over-inflated salary with a pension that the private sector would have to contribute 40% of their salary to get.


In 20 years, most of the current staff will be retired and we will have a public sector made up of workers who will be unable to strike.


Newly hired teachers will also have to work during the summer. 18 weeks of annual leave is absurd!

PingTing comes for Fire

Be more of a social club than a union. If they could take no industrial action?

Some companies prohibit unions such as Ryanair did up until recently.

You probably get more from working with your staff than against them. In the long run anyway.

corner of hells

Crock Rock wrote: »

All new hires to be hired on no strike contracts, they can join a union, absolutely, as is their right, but the law doesn't enshrine the right to strike.


All new hires will be hied on the same contracts as existing staff except for the fact that they must sign a no-strike agreement, lots of private sector companies have this.


Public sector workers only have to work for 20 years anyway on a massively over-inflated salary with a pension that the private sector would have to contribute 40% of their salary to get.


In 20 years, most of the current staff will be retired and we will have a public sector made up of workers who will be unable to strike.


Newly hired teachers will also have to work during the summer. 18 weeks of annual leave is absurd!

So , say for example we had this no strike scheme in operation and the staff who could strike, went on strike and the ones who couldn't strike decided not to pass the pickets were sacked for breaking their no strike agreement , what would happen then ?

TheValeyard

Mr. Incognito

Great Idea

Also Illegal- Try again.

Crock Rock

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Great Idea

Also Illegal- Try again.

Which specific part of my proposal would be illegal?


Non-strike contracts are fairly commonplace.



You cannot fire someone for union membership, but you CAN fire them for striking.



I await your reply.

MarkR

Crock Rock wrote: »

Which specific part of my proposal would be illegal?


Non-strike contracts are fairly commonplace.



You cannot fire someone for union membership, but you CAN fire them for striking.



I await your reply.

Do you think no strike contracts should be introduced across the board, or only in the public sector?

Crock Rock

MarkR wrote: »

Do you think no strike contracts should be introduced across the board, or only in the public sector?

Striking, in general is not tolerated in the private sector.


Public sector workers strike all the time.

gmisk

Crock Rock wrote: »

Public sector workers only have to work for 20 years anyway on a massively over-inflated salary with a pension that the private sector would have to contribute 40% of their salary to get.


In 20 years, most of the current staff will be retired and we will have a public sector made up of workers who will be unable to strike.


Newly hired teachers will also have to work during the summer. 18 weeks of annual leave is absurd!

Are you saying people in the public sector retire after 20 years now? ( They don't lol) Or you think they should?

Who do you expect the teachers to teach when the school is closed for the summer?

y0ssar1an22

you'll have to excuse my ignorance here, so i apologise in advance. WTF would anyone sign a contract they dont agree with? i'm sure unions have their purpose but for wage increases? you dont like the terms, dont take the job.

am i missing something?

griffin100

Crock Rock wrote: »

All new hires to be hired on no strike contracts, they can join a union, absolutely, as is their right, but the law doesn't enshrine the right to strike.


All new hires will be hied on the same contracts as existing staff except for the fact that they must sign a no-strike agreement, lots of private sector companies have this.


Public sector workers only have to work for 20 years anyway on a massively over-inflated salary with a pension that the private sector would have to contribute 40% of their salary to get.


In 20 years, most of the current staff will be retired and we will have a public sector made up of workers who will be unable to strike.


Newly hired teachers will also have to work during the summer. 18 weeks of annual leave is absurd!

I’d happily sign a no strike contract if I could one of these gold plated pensions after just 20 years service you speak ok. Can you direct me to one please?

Crock Rock

gmisk wrote: »

Are you saying people in the public sector retire after 20 years now? ( They don't lol) Or you think they should?

Who do you expect the teachers to teach when the school is closed for the summer?

• There should be summer school for those who need it.
• Work in the Department of Education.
• Mandatory participation in correcting of exams (this should be part of their salaried work for no extra pay).
• Upkeep of school grounds.
• Admin work in the department.

There's lots to do.

Crock Rock

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

you'll have to excuse my ignorance here, so i apologise in advance. WTF would anyone sign a contract they dont agree with? i'm sure unions have their purpose but for wage increases? you dont like the terms, dont take the job.

am i missing something?

Don't agree with the contract then you don't get a cushy public service job.

Ninthlife

Crock Rock wrote: »

All new hires to be hired on no strike contracts, they can join a union, absolutely, as is their right, but the law doesn't enshrine the right to strike.


All new hires will be hied on the same contracts as existing staff except for the fact that they must sign a no-strike agreement, lots of private sector companies have this.


Public sector workers only have to work for 20 years anyway on a massively over-inflated salary with a pension that the private sector would have to contribute 40% of their salary to get.


In 20 years, most of the current staff will be retired and we will have a public sector made up of workers who will be unable to strike.


Newly hired teachers will also have to work during the summer. 18 weeks of annual leave is absurd!

What new entrants are on over inflated salary?

If you think the PS is so cushy why didnt you join?

Crock Rock

Ninthlife wrote: »

What new entrants are on over inflated salary?

If you think the PS is so cushy why didnt you join?

• Too late in my career. I'm 28 now.
• Jobs are like hens' teeth.
• I'd have to take a couple of years out to retrain.
• Nepotism and cronyism.

tayto lover

What a silly crock of s***.

Ninthlife

Crock Rock wrote: »

• Too late in my career. I'm 28 now.
• Jobs are like hens' teeth.
• I'd have to take a couple of years out to retrain.
• Nepotism and cronyism.

What nepotism or cronyism would prevent you getting a job?

At 28 you could join and have 40 years service at 69

Samuel T. Cogley

Crock Rock wrote: »

• Too late in my career. I'm 28 now.
• Jobs are like hens' teeth.
• I'd have to take a couple of years out to retrain.
• Nepotism and cronyism.

• I joined at 38
• They are taking on hundreds of people at all stages of careers
• What do you do that wouldn't transfer?
• The tests are done on a strict order of merit.

Crock Rock

Ninthlife wrote: »

What nepotism or cronyism would prevent you getting a job?

In schools it's parish politics as the parish priest has a say in appointments, especially in National Schools.


Need I point out other sources of Nepotism?

MarkR

Crock Rock wrote: »

• Too late in my career. I'm 28 now.
• Jobs are like hens' teeth.
• I'd have to take a couple of years out to retrain.
• Nepotism and cronyism.

I'm 40, and only started recently. Still waiting on my placard.

Oh, and I'd to interview in front of 5 people. None of which I knew or was related to. I actually had to note something like that down on my application if I remember right.

gmisk

Crock Rock wrote: »

• There should be summer school for those who need it.
• Work in the Department of Education.
• Mandatory participation in correcting of exams (this should be part of their salaried work for no extra pay).
• Upkeep of school grounds.
• Admin work in the department.

There's lots to do.

-Ok there already are summer schools.

-I worked previously in the department of education they are well staffed, and the roles aren't interchangeable, there would also have to be massive investment in office space etc.

-What would they be marking over the summer...whose work?

-Teachers are not ground keepers.


Do you think people in the public sector retire after 20 years?

Ninthlife

Crock Rock wrote: »

In schools it's parish politics as the parish priest has a say in appointments, especially in National Schools.


Need I point out other sources of Nepotism?

No, give me cold hard facts. None of this chinese whispers.

Your Face

Its undemocratic.

Some angry outrage trolls would see everyone starving with no rights.

James Bond Junior

Crock Rock wrote: »

In schools it's parish politics as the parish priest has a say in appointments, especially in National Schools.


Need I point out other sources of Nepotism?

That is becoming very much the exception nowadays. I won't say it doesn't happen but it is very much no longer the norm.

gmisk

Crock Rock wrote: »

• Too late in my career. I'm 28 now.
• Jobs are like hens' teeth.
• I'd have to take a couple of years out to retrain.
• Nepotism and cronyism.

What a load of crap.

I know plenty of people who joined the CS older than that.
Hens teeth lol..mAre you on publicjobs.ie? There are a lot of jobs, panels etc, just look.
You can get training on the job.
Recruitment is extremely transparent and usually through PAS, I'd say a lot less of cronyism etc in CS than private.

y0ssar1an22

MarkR wrote: »

I'm 40, and only started recently. Still waiting on my placard.

Oh, and I'd to interview in front of 5 people. None of which I knew or was related to. I actually had to note something like that down on my application if I remember right.

why do you think that might be?

Ninthlife

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

why do you think that might be?

To ensure the integrity of the competition and the interview board. So that if some loon screams nepotism/cronyism it can be shown the process is transparent and fair to all

Samuel T. Cogley

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

why do you think that might be?

I think he means agreeing to the no canvassing rule. If you try and get someone to 'put in a word' you're disqualified.

MarkR

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

why do you think that might be?

I would assume so that there to prevent any semblance of impropriety.

Or maybe it was to match up family members and I lucked out. ðŸ˜

y0ssar1an22

Ninthlife wrote: »

To ensure the integrity of the competition and the interview board. So that if some loon screams nepotism/cronyism it can be shown the process is transparent and fair to all

thats actually a solid reply

Gael23

Start printing P45s as soon as they go on strike

Wheeliebin30

Defense forces can’t strike it’s in the constitution.

tayto lover

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Defense forces can’t strike it’s in the constitution.

Neither could the Garda.
See how that worked out.

tayto lover

Gael23 wrote: »

Start printing P45s as soon as they go on strike

Just what the country needs. A walk out of all PS workers in response.
Brilliant idea there.

Gael23

tayto lover wrote: »

Just what the country needs. A walk out of all PS workers in response.
Brilliant idea there.

Then fill positions on post 2011 scales and lesser pension entitlements

n!ghtmancometh

Crock Rock wrote: »

Don't agree with the contract then you don't get a cushy public service job.

22k a year for starting grade civil servant and contributing 15 quid a week out of that meagre salary to pay senior staffs gold plated pensions, a pension you aren't entitled to as they shat on new entrants terms in 2011, is cushy now? join up so.

tayto lover

Gael23 wrote: »

Then fill positions on post 2011 scales and lesser pension entitlements

You won’t get any takers.
Trying to prevent workers standing up for themselves never ever works.

20Cent

What's the 20 year then retire claim about?

Ninthlife

20Cent wrote: »

What's the 20 year then retire claim about?

Hope its true as I can then go in May

MarkR

Met a lady in work last week, and she's there 37 years. Wait til I tell her she's 17 years late for retirement!

Do you reckon she could claim?

The Enbalmer

Crock Rock wrote:

Too late in my career. I'm 28 now. Jobs are like hens' teeth. I'd have to take a couple of years out to retrain. Nepotism and cronyism.

What you mean is you applied but you weren't deemed good enough to pass the initial tests and now you're bitter about it.

shar01

The Enbalmer wrote: »

What you mean is you applied but you weren't deemed good enough to pass the initial tests and now you're bitter about it.

Nah - the chip on his shoulder kept pulling him off the chair.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Crock Rock wrote: »

Striking, in general is not tolerated in the private sector.


Public sector workers strike all the time.

All of them?.

I don't, I'm not allowed.

FTA69

Crock Rock wrote: »

You cannot fire someone for union membership, but you CAN fire them for striking.



I await your reply.

You can't fire someone for taking legal industrial action if they go through the official process.

arybvtcw0eolkf

FTA69 wrote: »

You can't fire someone for taking legal industrial action if they go through the official process.

This isn't going too well for the OP :pac:

wirelessdude01

Crock Rock wrote:

Striking, in general is not tolerated in the private sector.

I used to work in a large multinational, we went on strike for one day.

The Enbalmer

Crock Rock wrote: »

Public sector workers strike all the time.

Wrong.

National pay agreements forbid striking. The only reason the nurses took industrial action is because they didn't accept the terms.

Twenty Grand

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Defense forces can’t strike it’s in the constitution.

Their wives and girlfriends went out for them a few years back.

jimd2

Crock Rock wrote: »

• There should be summer school for those who need it.
• Work in the Department of Education.
• Mandatory participation in correcting of exams (this should be part of their salaried work for no extra pay).
• Upkeep of school grounds.
• Admin work in the department.

There's lots to do.

As a matter of interest, where do you work OP and at what level and experience?

I am asking as there is a real whiff of naivety about your post.

I have worked more than 20 years across the private sector and 10 years in the public sector and I have experienced more strikes etc in the private sector.

I could compare the two here but I probably say as much variation between private sector companies as I did between private and public sector.

One bit of advice to you. You should try and look at all aspects of a topic and not just pick and choose aspects to suit your agenda. There are a lot of aspects to teaching that go way beyond the holidays. I am not a teacher myself and would not take one even if my pay and location were the same.

But if you really think that they have it so good then there are more opportunities than ever to retrain and there are lots of teaching jobs out there. I know if there was a job that I perceived to be so handy and such good conditions then I wold be doing whatever possible to get it for myself rather than trying to moan about those that did get those jobs.