Return of the....diesel

Shefwedfan

https://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/car-news/is-diesel-dead-when-99-9pc-of-emissions-are-mopped-up-by-the-motor-itself-37831360.html


Interesting article about Peugeot, didn't really believe it but they have it all over the internet. The main question "is it bulls**t?"


If not then maybe diesel does have a place in market going forward, along with petrol/PHEV/electric etc then it becomes a choice of which fuel is best for which driver.....


I still do think they need to level off the petrol/diesel tax, maybe bring petrol down 5c and diesel up 5c?


Of course someone would need to verify the below is correct, not so long ago Peugeot had serious issues because of how dirty their engines where and also with buying Opel they ended up with worse technology





https://www.greencarcongress.com/2016/09/20160905-peugeot.html



https://media.peugeot.ie/file/35/3/308-spec.91353.pdf


Blue HDi comprises two key systems:• A Peugeot additive Diesel Particulate Filter, which dramatically reduces particulate emissions by 99.9% whatever their size and whatever the driving conditions.• An SCR (Selective Catalytic Reduction) system upstream of the Particulate Filter which reduces 90% of the nitrogen oxides (NOx) produced by the engine.The three-stage cleansing process specifically targets the pollutants of diesel combustion, removing hydrocarbons and carbon monoxide, reducing nitrogen oxides and eliminating 99.9% of particulates. Combining a Diesel Particulate Filter and SCR delivers the cleanest diesel engine possible and exceptional fuel econom

w211

The peugeot are not car. Even the French hate these and burns tons of these every year.

Philb76

Saw petrol and diesel today at a circle k only 3 cent difference

V8 Interceptor

Philb76 wrote: »

Saw petrol and diesel today at a circle k only 3 cent difference

I bet its diesel going up and not petrol coming down.

Shefwedfan

Philb76 wrote: »

Saw petrol and diesel today at a circle k only 3 cent difference

Currently, the tax on petrol is higher than that of diesel – 47c a litre on diesel compared to 59c a litre on petrol


So if it is the same price then the garage is making a tidy profit on diesel

Philb76

1.31 petrol 1.28 diesel

lawred2

w211 wrote: »

The peugeot are not car. Even the French hate these and burns tons of these every year.

What?

Atoms for Peace

With everyone scrambling to get on the EV bandwagon, it makes sense for Peugeot to stick with a technology they know well rather than falling into another fad.

Hal1

Ah yeah shure, the shaun-deleas-ai is littered with them.

Tuco88

Well, with the DPF,erg valve and now all extra cleansing gear?

Bollox, they killed what made the diesel engine great in 2008. Reliable bulletproof block that ran on the sniff of diesel.

I'd rather a skeeletric one now.

Old diesel

Shefwedfan wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/car-news/is-diesel-dead-when-99-9pc-of-emissions-are-mopped-up-by-the-motor-itself-37831360.html


Interesting article about Peugeot, didn't really believe it but they have it all over the internet. The main question "is it bulls**t?"


If not then maybe diesel does have a place in market going forward, along with petrol/PHEV/electric etc then it becomes a choice of which fuel is best for which driver.....


I still do think they need to level off the petrol/diesel tax, maybe bring petrol down 5c and diesel up 5c?


Of course someone would need to verify the below is correct, not so long ago Peugeot had serious issues because of how dirty their engines where and also with buying Opel they ended up with worse technology





https://www.greencarcongress.com/2016/09/20160905-peugeot.html



https://media.peugeot.ie/file/35/3/308-spec.91353.pdf


Blue HDi comprises two key systems:• A Peugeot additive Diesel Particulate Filter, which dramatically reduces particulate emissions by 99.9% whatever their size and whatever the driving conditions.• An SCR (Selective Catalytic Reduction) system upstream of the Particulate Filter which reduces 90% of the nitrogen oxides (NOx) produced by the engine.The three-stage cleansing process specifically targets the pollutants of diesel combustion, removing hydrocarbons and carbon monoxide, reducing nitrogen oxides and eliminating 99.9% of particulates. Combining a Diesel Particulate Filter and SCR delivers the cleanest diesel engine possible and exceptional fuel econom

Right then - can someone properly experty and independent of Peugeot with the right gear - actually verify this - in real world driving tests?????.

If yes - then we can consider it seriously.

In other news - even if the new Peugeot diesels are indeed super super clean - we also have a need to reduce the amount of fossil fuel we use.

Also am i right in thinking that EVs are actually more efficient users of their energy then the typical petrol or diesel.

The Ford Focus electric - a compliance vehicle so probably far from optimal was down as having an MPGe (miles per gallon equivalent) of something like 100.

Whereas a Prius was something like 40 to 50 - this was US gallons i recall.

Model 3 is on 136 MPGe i think.

So still potentially better going for electric where they fit the user needs of a driver.

Am i missing something

Old diesel

Sorry its 126 MPGe for the Model 3 - not 136

http://www.thedrive.com/sheetmetal/14069/tesla-model-3s-epa-rating-hits-equivalent-of-126-mpg

zilog_jones

Your first mistake was reading the Independent, and your second mistake was believing anything from one of the largest diesel engine manufacturers in the world.

Markcheese

They won't just go away you know.... (diesel engines), but the tech to get them approval just gets more complex and expensive,
There's still gonna be a need for diesels in commercial and cars putting in high mileage...
I reckon a diesel hybrid(maybe plug in) or diesel electric will be a thing down the line,
But again more complexity and cost... So it'll probably only suit someone spending long hours at the wheel..

Shefwedfan

Markcheese wrote: »

They won't just go away you know.... (diesel engines), but the tech to get them approval just gets more complex and expensive,
There's still gonna be a need for diesels in commercial and cars putting in high mileage...
I reckon a diesel hybrid(maybe plug in) or diesel electric will be a thing down the line,
But again more complexity and cost... So it'll probably only suit someone spending long hours at the wheel..

Even if BEV had a full range of cars available I still believe diesel has a place in market. But limited compared to what it is now.



In regards to a hybird, their is diesel PHEV available, very limited. What you will see a huge introduction of mild hybrid diesel engines. Hyundai/VW etc are all going to release and engine very soon if it is not already out. This should also help reduce the emmisions

L1011

99.9% when new and/or properly maintained. Probably needs AdBlue for NOx also.

Real world usage isn't going to be anything like that.

galwaytt

Old diesel wrote: »

Right then - can someone properly experty and independent of Peugeot with the right gear - actually verify this - in real world driving tests?????.

If yes - then we can consider it seriously.

In other news - even if the new Peugeot diesels are indeed super super clean - we also have a need to reduce the amount of fossil fuel we use.

Also am i right in thinking that EVs are actually more efficient users of their energy then the typical petrol or diesel.

The Ford Focus electric - a compliance vehicle so probably far from optimal was down as having an MPGe (miles per gallon equivalent) of something like 100.

Whereas a Prius was something like 40 to 50 - this was US gallons i recall.

Model 3 is on 136 MPGe i think.

So still potentially better going for electric where they fit the user needs of a driver.

Am i missing something

I don't believe any of those figures either.

BMW plastered 120 mpg on the side of there 3-series PHEV in Joe Duffy motors and even the salesman there lol'd at it.

zilog_jones

That's a different kettle of fish altogether:

The US EPA "MPGe" (miles per gallon equivalent) is a calculation based on the energy content of petrol, used to compare energy usage of EVs to petrol cars: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_per_gallon_gasoline_equivalent

The "120 MPG" bollocks you would have seen advertised on a BMW 330e would be the petrol consumption figure (not equivalent) measured in the very flawed NEDC cycle (essentially a useless number): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_European_Driving_Cycle

Here's the 330e vs. 320i in US EPA terms (keeping in mind that a US gallon is smaller than ours):
https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=39407&id=39134
The 71 MPGe of the 330e is the equivalent of how much energy it uses in all-electric mode - it's not a fuel consumption figure, and would be more useful for comparing with other PHEVs. The 30 MPG is how much it uses when in petrol-only driving.