Nissan Leaf cables and accesories

quietsailor

We've bought a 161 leaf today and it has the type1/2 charging cable but not;

A spare wheel
The tool kit that comes with the spare wheel
The foam insert for around the spare wheel
The granny cable
Bags for holding the normal & granny cables.

so I was hoping someone have links/ideas where to get these parts?

Regarding the granny cable - I remember seeing a granny cable that had multiple input plugs - square pin domestic, 16A industrial, 32A industrial so you could take power from most sources found in Ireland, does anyone have one of these or has seen one. I can't find it on google using "Granny cable with multiple input plugs" am I imagining things or just using the wrong search terms

Spare and tools are not standard equipment. However there should be an air compressor and a bottle of tyre goo behind the left hand side boot wall. For the bags check ebay. Or just get a suitable box where they can be stored in the boot. And if it's original Irish car the granny cable was extra too. UK cars should have them as standard (in UK they didn't have the Type 2 -> Type 1 cable if equipped with the 3.3 kW standard charger).

Apparently Mitsubishi Lancer 2008-2018 comes with a space saver that is the correct size for a LEAF.

Edit: And congrats on the new car!

quietsailor

samih wrote: »

Spare and tools are not standard equipment. However there should be an air compressor and a bottle of tyre goo behind the left hand side boot wall. For the bags check ebay. Or just get a suitable box where they can be stored in the boot.

Apparently Mitsubishi Lancer 2008-2018 comes with a space saver that is the correct size for a LEAF.

Edit: And congrats on the new car!

Thank you, that's good to know about the lancer spare, it will make finding a spare easier

n97 mini

The bottle of goo and the compressor is behind the flap on the left hand side of the boot as you're looking in.

Gumbo

quietsailor wrote: »

We've bought a 161 leaf today and it has the type1/2 charging cable but not;

A spare wheel
The tool kit that comes with the spare wheel
The foam insert for around the spare wheel
The granny cable
Bags for holding the normal & granny cables.

so I was hoping someone have links/ideas where to get these parts?

Regarding the granny cable - I remember seeing a granny cable that had multiple input plugs - square pin domestic, 16A industrial, 32A industrial so you could take power from most sources found in Ireland, does anyone have one of these or has seen one. I can't find it on google using "Granny cable with multiple input plugs" am I imagining things or just using the wrong search terms

If it didn’t come with a granny cable, then I wouldn’t expect a bag for the granny cable.

No spare wheel also as pointed out.
Compressor and foam in left hand side rear boot compartment.

slave1

You can get a spare space saver wheel on eBay but it will have to lie in the boot as there is no designed space in the car for a spare.
Congrats on the purchase.

quietsailor

slave1 wrote: »

You can get a spare space saver wheel on eBay but it will have to lie in the boot as there is no designed space in the car for a spare.
Congrats on the purchase.

Thank you

my wife's Mk2 focus has a full sized spare and there is a hard foam insert that raises the floor to allow the wheel to sit under the carpet properly - did the leaf ever have this?

quietsailor

kceire wrote: »

If it didn’t come with a granny cable, then I wouldn’t expect a bag for the granny cable.

I meant has anyone bought a bag for the cable and could they pass ona link please.

kceire wrote: »

No spare wheel also as pointed out.
Compressor and foam in left hand side rear boot compartment.

We'll get the car next week so I'll check that out before we take possesion - thank you

macnab

Id say the charger you are talking about is the Juice Booster 2.

quietsailor

macnab wrote: »

Id say the charger you are talking about is the Juice Booster 2.

Thanks mcnab, that's what I remembered seeing although it's not what I want - amn't I an ungrateful sod .

What I'm hoping to do (and thought I'd remembered) was a granny cable charger roughly 10-13amps that had multiple input plugs. What I now intend to do is;



Get a regular granny charger, put a 16A industrial plug on instead of the 3 pin plug
Make a 3 pin plug to 16A socket
(Possibly)Make a 32A plug to 16A socket - my in-laws farm have a 32A socket but I'm leary of having a 32A -> 16A adapter. It's fine while I use it it, I know a 13A charger can't overload a 16A plug but if someone takes it and runs a (for example) 25A load through that adapter it will overload. If I build that adapter I will tie it to the charger with stainless steel cable.

This allows us to charge off of;
A domestic 3-pin plug
An industrial 16A plug
An industrial 32A plug
so we should be able to get an emergency charge anywhere

zg3409

In terms of adapters would it not be easier to use a standard granny cable with 3 pin plug (note they normally draw 10 amps max) and then just use adapters to large and small blue type? Blue 16amp plug to 13amp sockets are widely available for camp sites caravans and boats. As you said you can make a 32amp to 16amp adapter and put a fuse inline if you want. A 32amp to ordinary 3 pin would be better option in my opinion.

Some warnings, a 3 pin plug is not waterproof, so you need a waterproof socket that is still waterproof when in use if used where it can get wet.

It would be best to use an outlet which has a sensitive trip switch (elcb) or earth leakage. Most 16amp or 32amp blue plugs gave no such protection on the fuse board. So you may have less safety.

Your charge rate would be slow, compared to a proper charger.

Try to put in a new 13amp wall socket anywhere you intend charging regularly and I would recommend charging for the first time during daytime hours, not while sleeping, in case the wiring in the house is old and the wiring in the walls goes on fire or the socket or fuseboard overheats.

You MUST make sure to stop charging when plugging out, by taking the car end out first otherwise you risk damaging the plug end by plugging out with full load routinely. Same when starting charging plug in 3 pin first, then car.

An off the shelf granny cable with adapters would be cheapest option.

You should try get the grant for a proper charger at one of the properties as the grant may dry up some day

quietsailor

zg3409 wrote: »

In terms of adapters would it not be easier to use a standard granny cable with 3 pin plug (note they normally draw 10 amps max) and then just use adapters to large and small blue type? Blue 16amp plug to 13amp sockets are widely available for camp sites caravans and boats. As you said you can make a 32amp to 16amp adapter and put a fuse inline if you want. A 32amp to ordinary 3 pin would be better option in my opinion.

Some warnings, a 3 pin plug is not waterproof, so you need a waterproof socket that is still waterproof when in use if used where it can get wet.

It would be best to use an outlet which has a sensitive trip switch (elcb) or earth leakage. Most 16amp or 32amp blue plugs gave no such protection on the fuse board. So you may have less safety.

Your charge rate would be slow, compared to a proper charger.

Try to put in a new 13amp wall socket anywhere you intend charging regularly and I would recommend charging for the first time during daytime hours, not while sleeping, in case the wiring in the house is old and the wiring in the walls goes on fire or the socket or fuseboard overheats.

You MUST make sure to stop charging when plugging out, by taking the car end out first otherwise you risk damaging the plug end by plugging out with full load routinely. Same when starting charging plug in 3 pin first, then car.

An off the shelf granny cable with adapters would be cheapest option.

You should try get the grant for a proper charger at one of the properties as the grant may dry up some day

Thank you for that advice on the granny charger, that sounds easier.

And really thank you for the advice about getting a grant at the in-laws house, they would be ideal candidates for a EV but they would need to see ours in action for a while to trust the idea, as you say the grant might be gone by then!

quietsailor

Hi folks, so we've made the first add-on purchase to the Leaf, I found a granny cable that has the capacity to switch between 16A and 10A so we can use it on a domestic 3-pin plug or the industrial (Blue & white) plug. It's a " Morec portable EV charger and it cost €235 plus P&P



If you are wondering about the switching, it's not automatic, you plug it in at the house plug and press the button to change between 16A & 10A and then you plug it into the car.

As it came with a 16A european plug I replaced that with a 16A irish blue/white plug and have a 13A to 16A adapter that we will keep with the charger at all times.

gunnerfitzy

quietsailor wrote: »

Hi folks, so we've made the first add-on purchase to the Leaf, I found a granny cable that has the capacity to switch between 16A and 10A so we can use it on a domestic 3-pin plug or the industrial (Blue & white) plug. It's a " Morec portable EV charger and it cost €235 plus P&P



If you are wondering about the switching, it's not automatic, you plug it in at the house plug and press the button to change between 16A & 10A and then you plug it into the car.

As it came with a 16A european plug I replaced that with a 16A irish blue/white plug and have a 13A to 16A adapter that we will keep with the charger at all times.

I hope you got the one with the type 1 plug and not the type 2 plug as in the picture...

quietsailor

After you writing out such a detailed post I wanted to answer it in relation to the granny cable we bought and give the post some longer replies. Our granny cable is slightly different to most - it has a 16A capability where most granny cables are 8A or 10A.

zg3409 wrote: »

In terms of adapters would it not be easier to use a standard granny cable with 3 pin plug (note they normally draw 10 amps max) and then just use adapters to large and small blue type? Blue 16amp plug to 13amp sockets are widely available for camp sites caravans and boats. As you said you can make a 32amp to 16amp adapter and put a fuse inline if you want. A 32amp to ordinary 3 pin would be better option in my opinion.
As there is a 16A on the cable now & we have a 3.3Kw charging leaf I will leave it at this. Our own house will have a Zappi and my mothers house plus the in-laws house have 16A plugs so we can plug in there without any other adapters. That covers 95% of our trips last year and we do not think we will take the leaf on long trips anyway, we will use the petrol car.

Some warnings, a 3 pin plug is not waterproof, so you need a waterproof socket that is still waterproof when in use if used where it can get wet.
The cable length at the input side is very short, 35cm long, so we will always have the input plug plus the electronics inside out of any rain.

It would be best to use an outlet which has a sensitive trip switch (elcb) or earth leakage. Most 16amp or 32amp blue plugs gave no such protection on the fuse board. So you may have less safety.
I know my house and mom's house have all sockets wired back through a RCBO, I'm not sure about my in-laws but will ask my wife's cousin, who is a sparks, could he fit a sub-board with RCBO plus a new 16A socket for us near where the cars park. It will be better than having to drive into the farm yard.

Your charge rate would be slow, compared to a proper charger.
3.3Kw charging leaf so we're slow no matter what we do!

Try to put in a new 13amp wall socket anywhere you intend charging regularly and I would recommend charging for the first time during daytime hours, not while sleeping, in case the wiring in the house is old and the wiring in the walls goes on fire or the socket or fuseboard overheats.
Done, first charger was two days ago and there was much hovering over sockets and feeling the socket to see if it was hot. Our small fella thought it was a terrible game as i would not let him into that room :pac: And for anyone reading this in the future; that's damn good advice - to charge when you're around the first time and to watch the charger.

You MUST make sure to stop charging when plugging out, by taking the car end out first otherwise you risk damaging the plug end by plugging out with full load routinely. Same when starting charging plug in 3 pin first, then car.
Understood, thank you

An off the shelf granny cable with adapters would be cheapest option.
Kinda, sorta followed that advice, thank you

You should try get the grant for a proper charger at one of the properties as the grant may dry up some day
Hopefuly when the strangeness of this car wears off they may even change themselves!

quietsailor

gunnerfitzy wrote: »

I hope you got the one with the type 1 plug and not the type 2 plug as in the picture...

Yes, that was the first thing checked when it came out of the box - that it plugged into the car. Imagine the embarassment of cutting the european plug off, fitting in Irish 16A plug and then finding out it doesn't fit the car!:o

gunnerfitzy

quietsailor wrote: »

gunnerfitzy wrote: »

I hope you got the one with the type 1 plug and not the type 2 plug as in the picture...

Yes, that was the first thing checked when it came out of the box - that it plugged into the car. Imagine the embarassment of cutting the european plug off, fitting in Irish 16A plug and then finding out it doesn't fit the car!:o

That would be bad alright!!

Calahonda52

IIRC the slim Lancer or similar spare cannot be used on the front of the Leaf, there was lots about this issue back in March 2017 when I had the misfortune to buy a Leaf.

So if u get a FW flat, you need to take one off the back and fit the slim on the back.
Also if you do get a spare, you need to have it very well tied down in the boot: I mean well tied down

ltd440

Calahonda52 wrote: »

IIRC the slim Lancer or similar spare cannot be used on the front of the Leaf, there was lots about this issue back in March 2017 when I had the misfortune to buy a Leaf.

So if u get a FW flat, you need to take one off the back and fit the slim on the back.
Also if you do get a spare, you need to have it very well tied down in the boot: I mean well tied down

why do you say misfortune to buying your leaf,did it not work out for you ?

Calahonda52

ltd440 wrote: »

why do you say misfortune to buying your leaf,did it not work out for you ?

about 50% depreciation in two years

ltd440

Calahonda52 wrote: »

about 50% depreciation in two years

ouch that seems to be very high, do you mind if i ask what gen leaf you bought i assume brand new ?

I on the other hand got a 152 SVE 6.6 for just under 24k back in Aug 2015 with a scrappage. Got 15k trade in after 30 months so "only" lost 9k i.e. 37.5 percent in 2 years 8 months and covered 71k in that time. This is probably as good as it gets though.

I guess in Calahonda's case it was unfortunately the the worst possible scenario. Bought a car at full list towards the end of the production run and traded it in after only 2 years (and possibly against a different make). It appears that the sweet spot to trade in a car is about 3/4 years as the dealers won't pay you well for a really fresh car unless you are one of the repeat type of customers (= always buy a new 1X1 in Jan without a fail from the same dealer).

Gumbo

ltd440 wrote: »

ouch that seems to be very high, do you mind if i ask what gen leaf you bought i assume brand new ?

samih wrote: »

I on the other hand got a 152 SVE 6.6 for just under 24k back in Aug 2015 with a scrappage. Got 15k trade in after 30 months so "only" lost 9k i.e. 37.5 percent in 2 years 8 months and covered 71k in that time. This is probably as good as it gets though.

I guess in Calahonda's case it was unfortunately the the worst possible scenario. Bought a car at full list towards the end of the production run and traded it in after only 2 years (and possibly against a different make). It appears that the sweet spot to trade in a car is about 3/4 years as the dealers won't pay you well for a really fresh car unless you are one of the repeat type of customers (= always buy a new 1X1 in Jan without a fail from the same dealer).

I think its more so that Cala bought brand new. Id expect 50% reduction after 3 years, but just unfortunate that after 2 years it had already dropped. The thing is, it probably wouldn't have dropped any more in the 3rd year.

I bought a 141 Leaf in March 2017 in the UK for 9980 OTR, sold it this month for 11k

kceire

kceire wrote: »

I think its more so that Cala bought brand new. Id expect 50% reduction after 3 years, but just unfortunate that after 2 years it had already dropped. The thing is, it probably wouldn't have dropped any more in the 3rd year.

I bought a 141 Leaf in March 2017 in the UK for 9980 OTR, sold it this month for 11k

Unfortunately new volume cars tend to devalue like punctured lead balloons for a few first years. You did well as the timing of your purchase was around when the UK prices bottomed. Somebody has to buy new but the consolation price is that they can have the maximum range and the latest tech at the time. Which in case of 171 L30 was not really true as Ioniq was out to take the value crown from LEAF.

quietsailor

Calahonda52 wrote: »

IIRC the slim Lancer or similar spare cannot be used on the front of the Leaf, there was lots about this issue back in March 2017 when I had the misfortune to buy a Leaf.

So if u get a FW flat, you need to take one off the back and fit the slim on the back.
Also if you do get a spare, you need to have it very well tied down in the boot: I mean well tied down

Thank you, that was the spare I was going to look for in a breakers yard, I would have assumed it fitted both axles and would never have thought of swopping the tyres in the event of a front wheel flat.

KCross

quietsailor wrote: »

Thank you, that was the spare I was going to look for in a breakers yard, I would have assumed it fitted both axles and would never have thought of swopping the tyres in the event of a front wheel flat.

I have an SVE with the 17" wheels and I bought a Qashqai spare wheel. I have used it a few times and it works fine on both axles.

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