NCT, tyre age again.

SCOOP 64

Had 2 tyres changed on my car today, the garage said the other 2 are nct fail as well because over 6 years old, thought this was still advisory?

jimbis

Yup still just an advisory.

Wheety

Yeah, I had my car pass recently with an advisory on 2 tyres as they were over 6 years old.

SCOOP 64

You would think he would know better.

corkgsxr

You'd think you'd change 6 year old tires. They go hard

SCOOP 64

corkgsxr wrote: »

You'd think you'd change 6 year old tires. They go hard

Na , there fine.

biko

Advisory, it's in the nct manual available online.

B-D-P--

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

Had 2 tyres changed on my car today, the garage said the other 2 are nct fail as well because over 6 years old, thought this was still advisory?

I'd be shopping for a more trustworthy garage than one trying to scam new tyres on to you.
What else did he sell you needlessly for the car?

Maybe not needless but definitely taking your good faith in him.

swarlb

B-D-P-- wrote: »

I'd be shopping for a more trustworthy garage than one trying to scam new tyres on to you.
What else did he sell you needlessly for the car?

Maybe not needless but definitely taking your good faith in him.

Why the constant thought that every repairer in the motor trade is trying to scam every customer.
6 years at minimum could equate to tens of thousands of miles or km's, or into the 100,000's, over varying surfaces. It's not just the thread that will wear, but stresses on sidewalls. Every single movement of a car is transmitted through the tyres. Was the tyre pressure maintained over the 6 years ? Are the tyre of good quality to begin with from new ? The thread depth is only part of the indication of the state of use of a tyre.
The only thing between a car and the road is a very small patch of rubber, and it only takes a split second for an emergency situation to occur.
Obviously people who sell tyres for a living need to sell their product, but their advice should be heeded as well.
If a doctor told you a minor cut may turn into something more serious, would you assume he was trying to 'scam' you into paying for an operation ?

artanevilla

Well there is a difference between:

"Keep an eye on that cut, it might get infected, do you want me to disinfect it for you for 50 quid just in case?"
"Keep an eye on those tyres they are over 6 years old, I recommend replacing them while you are here."

And

"You NEED that cut disinfected, you will require major surgery if not."
"Your car will fail the NCT with those tyres, you need to put new ones on."

swarlb

artanevilla wrote: »

Well there is a difference between:

"Keep an eye on that cut, it might get infected, do you want me to disinfect it for you for 50 quid just in case?"
"Keep an eye on those tyres they are over 6 years old, I recommend replacing them while you are here."

And

"You NEED that cut disinfected, you will require major surgery if not."
"Your car will fail the NCT with those tyres, you need to put new ones on."

Christ Almighty... it was a analogy, not a point for debate over surgery requirements.
The main point is that there is a common theme running through section of 'motors' on boards, and it's that Dealers are 'stealers', anyone and everyone you suggests you need some extra work done, or extra parts to complete a job is 'out to get you' and 'ripping you off' or a 'scammer'.

Did it ever occur that the person may simply have been trying to help !

creedp

swarlb wrote: »

Did it ever occur that the person may simply have been trying to help !

Or simply unaware of the NCT requirements on tyres

slave1

creedp wrote: »

Or simply unaware of the NCT requirements on tyres

..they knew

swarlb

swarlb wrote: »

Why the constant thought that every repairer in the motor trade is trying to scam every customer.
6 years at minimum could equate to tens of thousands of miles or km's, or into the 100,000's, over varying surfaces. It's not just the thread that will wear, but stresses on sidewalls. Every single movement of a car is transmitted through the tyres. Was the tyre pressure maintained over the 6 years ? Are the tyre of good quality to begin with from new ? The thread depth is only part of the indication of the state of use of a tyre.
The only thing between a car and the road is a very small patch of rubber, and it only takes a split second for an emergency situation to occur.
Obviously people who sell tyres for a living need to sell their product, but their advice should be heeded as well.
If a doctor told you a minor cut may turn into something more serious, would you assume he was trying to 'scam' you into paying for an operation ?

Your whole post was essentially "tyre condition is determined by many factors", and you somehow thought that that means a tyre reaching an arbitrary age is a justified reason in and of itself for replacement?

God almighty.

Toyotafanboi

Deleted User wrote: »

Your whole post was essentially "tyre condition is determined by many factors", and you somehow thought that that means a tyre reaching an arbitrary age is a justified reason in and of itself for replacement?

God almighty.

I don't think he said that, anywhere. He was just making the point that aged tyres will deteriorate regardless or thread depth, which I think is a fair point. I don't think there's such a need for profanities, particularly when it isn't clear what your point is at all.

Sure, maybe 6 years is a bit of an arbitrary number but a cut off point where it would be flagged to owners has to be decided and IMO anyway, 6 years is around fair.

Toyotafanboi

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

I don't think he said that, anywhere. He was just making the point that aged tyres will deteriorate regardless or thread depth, which I think is a fair point. I don't think there's such a need for profanities, particularly when it isn't clear what your point is at all.

Sure, maybe 6 years is a bit of an arbitrary number but a cut off point where it would be flagged to owners has to be decided and IMO anyway, 6 years is around fair.

1) OP states he was told by his garage that his tyres needed to be changed because they were 6 years old

2) Several users suggest OP steers clear of such garage in future, as it appears it was deliberately misleading the OP to make a sale

3) The user I quoted talks about how many factors can combine to make a tyre need replacing at variable times, and this somehow means people shouldn't imply or state that the garage was acting in bad faith when it misled the OP that tyres needed replacing solely for being aged 6 years.

It's not complicated.

Also, 'I don't think there's such a need for profanities, particularly when it isn't clear what your point is at all.'?

lol are you for real?

Cee-Jay-Cee

The winter tyres on my winter car are 16 years old. They’re still incredibly supple/soft with zero perishing of the rubber on the sidewall or anywhere else. They’ve only done 3k kms max and so still have 6mm thread remaining and I intend to continue using them until they either go hard or notice them perishing however I was wondering if the advisory on tyres over 6yrs old has an upper limit?? Will good condition 16 yr old tyres pass? They’re Yokohama IG82 tyres and would have been top of the range winter tyres back in their day.

swarlb

Deleted User wrote: »

Your whole post was essentially "tyre condition is determined by many factors", and you somehow thought that that means a tyre reaching an arbitrary age is a justified reason in and of itself for replacement?

God almighty.

I've no idea of the age of the tyres other than they are 'older than 6 years', they could be 26 years for all anyone knows.
The main thrust of my argument was the constant running down of 'tradespeople' who suggest that extra work/parts may be needed beyond the original fix.
They all seem to fall under the umbrella of 'conmen'.
Regarding a tyre reaching a certain age to be replaced, it's a choice between being safe or taking a chance.
Have a look at the photos attached. Taken today from a car in my workshop (one of my own cars, so no GDPR rules being broken)
What do you think of the condition ? Do they look ok, or marginal ?
The car they belong to passed it's NCT only a few days previously, no damage to sidewalls, and no signs of perishing. Yes, they are 'more than 6 years' old.

SCOOP 64

i believe now there is some confusion in the trade, ,spoke to a car parts dealer who also sell tyres, put the question to him as to what i was told, over 6yrs NCT fail , yes hes right it will fail? not saying these are conmen, seems to be misunderstand on nct rules.
just out of curiosity anyone want to goto there local tyre place and ask same question., 2 dealers now for me.

artanevilla

swarlb wrote: »

Christ Almighty... it was a analogy, not a point for debate over surgery requirements.
The main point is that there is a common theme running through section of 'motors' on boards, and it's that Dealers are 'stealers', anyone and everyone you suggests you need some extra work done, or extra parts to complete a job is 'out to get you' and 'ripping you off' or a 'scammer'.

Did it ever occur that the person may simply have been trying to help !

I was using the same analogy and comparing it to cars, just like you did.

Nobody is saying all car places are dishonest. But best case scenario is that this one is ignorant in saying the will fail with 6 YO tyres, at worse they are being subversive in order to sell the customer something they don't need.

mgbgt1978

If we can just forget about Tyre Condition.

The NCT can happily fail Tyres that are only 2 years old if they are Bald, Cut, or have cracked sidewalls etc.
But if a so-called Professional Tyre Dealer is saying that a 6 year old Tyre is an NCT Fail simply due to the age of the Tyre then he's a Chancer.

championc

Is it a visual retest or a paid retest if they fail ?

colm_mcm

Visual

championc

Thanks. Bi just thought they might insist on putting it up on the ramps to recheck them

Isambard

wish I could do 6 years on a set of tyres. Mine are just over 2 years old and have 57000 km up and I thought I was doing well!

lalababa

Dealers ARE stealersðŸ˜

Calibos

Didnt change the tyres on my 2007 TT till 2017. Passed all NCT’s. Year 10 NCT advised I should think about getting a new set, not because of thread depth but because of age and UV damage. Didnt fail me though. Bought a new set of Pirelli’s even though the car/tires had only done about 25,000km at that point.