i3 Rex and the M50

MrMusician18

Quick question, does the i3 Rex qualify for discounted tolls on the M50?

Gumbo

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Quick question, does the i3 Rex qualify for discounted tolls on the M50?

Yes.

ELM327

All plug in hybrids qualify.

unkel

Yes, as ELM327 said all plug in hybrids qualify, but you only get 25% discount on all tolls (and 50% off peak on the M50)

In a full EV, you get 50% discount on all tolls (and 75% off peak on the M50)

Linky

MrMusician18

Thanks all. I had thought the Rex might qualify for the full discount since it isn't a hybrid in the traditional sense.

Oh well..

unkel

It has a tailpipe and it burns fossil fuel. Shouldn't get any subsidies at all in my view

MrMusician18

unkel wrote: »

It has a tailpipe and it burns fossil fuel. Shouldn't get any subsidies at all in my view

I get a feeling this might be a can of worms?!:pac:

ELM327

MrMusician18 wrote: »

I get a feeling this might be a can of worms?!:pac:

Don't be mad, lad.

denismc

Does the discount only apply to tag- holders or will the cashier give a discount if I rock up in my EV?

ELM327

denismc wrote: »

Does the discount only apply to tag- holders or will the cashier give a discount if I rock up in my EV?

You need a tag or video account

pdpmur

MrMusician18 wrote: »

I get a feeling this might be a can of worms?!:pac:

(Gets his can-opening bowie knife out...)
Yep.
For those persons charging your ev from fully off-grid renewable sources, I salute you as you may well achieve marginal "Zero Emissions".
For everyone else with an EV, your car just connects via a very long electrical lead to to the fossil fuel power stations at Poolbeg, Moneypoint, Aghada, Tarbert and all the rest, so the emissions from your vehicle is just redirected to all of the stacks the power stations around the country instead of the tailpipe of your car. Your emissions may be less per km driven than someone in an ICE car, but are certainly not zero. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just in denial, despite what your car boot sticker might proclaim.

KCross

pdpmur wrote: »

(Gets his can-opening bowie knife out...)
Yep.
For those persons charging your ev from fully off-grid renewable sources, I salute you as you may well achieve marginal "Zero Emissions".
For everyone else with an EV, your car just connects via a very long electrical lead to to the fossil fuel power stations at Poolbeg, Moneypoint, Aghada, Tarbert and all the rest, so the emissions from your vehicle is just redirected to all of the stacks the power stations around the country instead of the tailpipe of your car. Your emissions may be less per km driven than someone in an ICE car, but are certainly not zero. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just in denial, despite what your car boot sticker might proclaim.

D'ya know, I dont think I've met any EV owner that didnt fully understand that point. I'd be willing to bet that everyone on the forum understands it and wouldnt say otherwise.

However, EV's are significantly cleaner on emissions than an ICE even if the electricity is all fossil fuel. Proven well at this point.

Now add into that that 30% of our Irish electricity is renewable makes it even cleaner again.

Now add that the EV is actually zero emission at the point of use means its better for you and your kids on the streets.

The long tailpipe argument is wearing thin tbh.

unkel

pdpmur wrote: »

For everyone else with an EV, your car just connects via a very long electrical lead to to the fossil fuel power stations at Poolbeg, Moneypoint, Aghada, Tarbert and all the res

Nope. Most EVs in this country are charged at night with up to 75% renewable zero emissions electricity (wind)

This percentage was 65% last year, it's still increasing and should really already be 100%. Not yet but we're getting there. Whereas combustion engines only work when burning fossil fuels...

Yes , most electricity is powered by Gas with some wind, about 25% of total demand.

The grid has a max capacity of 65% but we need much more solar PV on the grid, we need solar PV on ever roof top in Ireland, when the wind does not blow the percentage could be 5% or less of wind in the grid.

There's a huge imbalance, too much wind with very little solar PV.

unkel

Deleted User wrote: »

The grid has a max capacity of 65%

It's 75% now (max wind)

Agree with your points though. We need a lot of PV too and storage. An old skool storage solution like good old Turlough hill, but then on a scale 100 times bigger, for now. And eventually grid attached batteries.

We can also all help at micro level. The solar PV on my house is generating more electricty per year than the average Irish house uses. If all houses (and businesses) were like mine, we wouldn't need to burn any fossil fuels for our electricity (if we had storage too)

We'd need a sizable array on the home to eliminate all fossil fuel usage and a good feed in tariff so you could send to the grid all excess and buy back when needed eliminating the need for battery storage.

pdpmur

KCross wrote: »

D'ya know, I dont think I've met any EV owner that didnt fully understand that point. I'd be willing to bet that everyone on the forum understands it and wouldnt say otherwise.

However, EV's are significantly cleaner on emissions than an ICE even if the electricity is all fossil fuel. Proven well at this point.

Now add into that that 30% of our Irish electricity is renewable makes it even cleaner again.

Now add that the EV is actually zero emission at the point of use means its better for you and your kids on the streets.

The long tailpipe argument is wearing thin tbh.

I don't doubt that most current ev owners understand the point as they are most likely to be early adopters and so are likely to be well read on the subject. I'm certainly not arguing against electric vehicles.

My point is that owning and using an electric vehicle certainly does not necessarily mean zero emissions, despite what some posts on this thread seem to be implying. I am all in favour of emissions reduction but the subtle marketing of "zero emissions" cars is only slightly less disingenuous than that of "self charging hybrid" when it comes to the understanding of the mass market consumer.

KCross

pdpmur wrote: »

I don't doubt that most current ev owners understand the point as they are most likely to be early adopters and so are likely to be well read on the subject. I'm certainly not arguing against electric vehicles.

My point is that owning and using an electric vehicle certainly does not necessarily mean zero emissions, despite what some posts on this thread seem to be implying. I am all in favour of emissions reduction but the subtle marketing of "zero emissions" cars is only slightly less disingenuous than that of "self charging hybrid" when it comes to the understanding of the mass market consumer.

But I dont hear people saying that on here or out and about. Nothing has zero emissions. They have to be manufactured as well where there is significant emissions involved.

When zero emissions are talked about it always refers to the point of use.

I get your point about it being disingenuous but I think people understand it fine.

Gumbo

pdpmur wrote: »

I don't doubt that most current ev owners understand the point as they are most likely to be early adopters and so are likely to be well read on the subject. I'm certainly not arguing against electric vehicles.

My point is that owning and using an electric vehicle certainly does not necessarily mean zero emissions, despite what some posts on this thread seem to be implying. I am all in favour of emissions reduction but the subtle marketing of "zero emissions" cars is only slightly less disingenuous than that of "self charging hybrid" when it comes to the understanding of the mass market consumer.

Sure sitting there naked, on the sofa looking into the emptiness of space, you still have emissions.
I don’t see you point.

Hotblack Desiato

Poolbeg has been a zero emissions plant for a good while now...

ELM327

kceire wrote: »

Sure sitting there naked, on the sofa looking into the emptiness of space, you still have emissions.
I don’t see you point.

Plenty of emissions , directly corelated with the radius from the local curryhouse.

pdpmur

kceire wrote: »

Sure sitting there naked, on the sofa looking into the emptiness of space, you still have emissions.
I don’t see you point.

Yep, I sure do, particularly after a long sweaty run. But I only worry about either emissions or nakedness when someone else might want to also use the room.

I was trying to respond to the poster who opined that any driver of a car with a tailpipe shouldn't qualify for toll rebates, the inference being that you phev/rex driver = nasty seal clubber but me bev driver = virtuous tree hugger.

Who is greener - you with your perfectly serviceable old ice car who travels 10k km per year, or me with my shiny new bev who travels 30k km per year? The simple answer is "me" but it may be the wrong answer.

I think that the overall intent regarding toll reductions is quite balanced but ultimately all mechanised transport involves emissions at a global level (which ultimately is the only level that matters) and so simplistic arguments are not helpful, particularly to those people who may be less well informed and who are browsing this forum to try to understand and learn.