Used? New? Or go all in?

Black_Knight

I'll relatively new to the EV school of thinking, but given the low miles I do my 2ltr diesel isn't worth having, and we'd planned to change my car this year or next(baby#1 has arrived) so I've been thinking electric.

Typically I'd be looking at ~22k to spend on a car. An ev would save me about 1k a year based on my maths, so if it makes sense in every way, that budget can change.

Used!
A 2017 ioniq seems like the right option given the 2019 one is no different, and I save a few grand going used. Though I'm not sure about the long term of buying an ioniq. 180km is about 100km lower than I'd ideally like, and I'm not sure about boot space etc, so maybe it's not a perfect fit.

New!
Considering the new Jan 2019 EV sales, how long is the grant going to last? Saving money on a new ioniq (or any EV) now, could mean than when the grant disappears they hold their used car value much more. This is one of very few reasons I can see to buy a new ioniq Vs 2nd hand. Enlighten me if I'm wrong.

All in!
Kona or niro. What money are these going for after the grant? They'd be a much longer term buy for us, since the range would keep us happy for a long long time. And particularly with the niro, since it's the bigger if the 2 (just started a family). EV is only saving us 1k a year, so the likes of the Kona or niro are probably me thinking with my heart rather than my head.

TL; DR, not sure. Im gonna buy electric this year, I just need someone to give me a dose of reality

ewj1978

Kona & Niro €39k. Kona is paddy spec and imho nowhere near worth €39k. Niro haven't sat or drove but is meant to be all rounda better car and with the UK getting only 1 spec it'd be, I think, the same we get.

I'm in the same quandry.. Looking at Zoe's and 94ah I3 Rex's myself. Ruled out ioniq due to range and Leaf due to battery issues.
Zoe's (new) are being offered with 0% finance from renault (HP not pcp)
I3 will be a Uk import as the Irish prices are just pure rip off.

Black_Knight

ewj1978 wrote: »

Kona & Niro €39k. Kona is paddy spec and imho nowhere near worth €39k. .

After grants? So their really a ,~€50k car? Seems crazy money for a Kia or Hyundai

slave1

Black_Knight wrote: »

After grants? So their really a ,~€50k car? Seems crazy money for a Kia or Hyundai

64kWh battery packs driving the price, not the name

Mike9832

Ioniq long range (38kWh) will do 280km and will be here end of the year

Price should be similar to current one but who knows

Year old i3 can be had for under 30k from UK, nó need to worry about range with its little petrol engine and 170km on electric

Mike9832

slave1 wrote: »

64kWh battery packs driving the price, not the name

Its gouging

Batteries are not that expensive anymore

Gile_na_gile

The market is deliberately constrained, but there are ever more options. I have two kids so needed a decent boot, which basically only leaves the new Leaf. So have that a few days now and the upgrade is immense from a 2005 Ford. I won't have much problems with range, but were my hand not forced, I would have waited until next year to get a larger battery than 40kWH so that I could tear up and down the motorway for longer distances. For one kid, then perhaps a new or used Ioniq is a good buy if you can get a good price, however a new Leaf was costing me only four grand over a used Ioniq and is very spacious.
There is a waiting period for the Niro, but it covers every single factor in my opinion: range, safety, size, features, space..... However, it is not available yet. Only the PHEV.... Going on that I'd expect the Niro EV around 5k more than that so 36k.

DesperateDan

Mike9832 wrote: »

Its gouging

Batteries are not that expensive anymore

They literally cannot make 64kwh batteries fast enough, can't get a Kona until July at least in the UK. The Niro will sell out in a flash there as well. A Leaf with a bigger battery is 6 months away. Jaguar and Model S are the next closest you will get to 64kwh so right now they can charge what they want

We are still around 2 years away from other manufacturers flexing their build capability muscles to match Tesla, and 64kwh being more 'standard', and even then there's probably only going to be 7 or 8 different options that don't cost > €80k but that little bit of competition should help drive down prices.

OP I would get a new Ioniq if you really are doing small mileage for most of your trips. You are getting the full value of the grant which may not be around forever, the cars hold their value very well, they are roomy enough and look great, cost €29k which is not much more than your €22k budget. So for an extra €7k you are getting a car worth an extra €12k which right now is a good deal. Don't forget you can probably push it and get 250km if you really need to on a single charge. PCP it for 3 years then trade up to something bigger [battery and space].

I don't think a Kona at €37k is worth it unless you do several trips a week more than 200km. The only other aspect to consider would be if you couldn't get a home charger installed because relying solely on the charging network with a smaller battery would be fairly rough these days.

Mike9832

DesperateDan wrote: »

They literally cannot make 64kwh batteries fast enough, can't get a Kona until July at least in the UK. The Niro will sell out in a flash there as well. A Leaf with a bigger battery is 6 months away. Jaguar and Model S are the next closest you will get to 64kwh so right now they can charge what they want .

Sadly that's true on the price

Interested about the new Ioniq and its price

If its the same 29k as now its a game changer

Should hear more after Geneva show

denismc

I would be very surprised if they released a longer range Ioniq at the same price as the current one, that would totally kill sales of the 28kW version.

slave1

denismc wrote: »

I would be very surprised if they released a longer range Ioniq at the same price as the current one, that would totally kill sales of the 28kW version.

Given they are taking scrappage on the 28kWh model I'd say there's a fair chance there will only be one Ioniq for sale and that will be the 38kWh only

Mike9832

slave1 wrote: »

Given they are taking scrappage on the 28kWh model I'd say there's a fair chance there will only be one Ioniq for sale and that will be the 38kWh only

Thats what it looks like

Range from 38kWh is brilliant too

230km motorway driving and 300km mixed

Black_Knight

When's the new ioniq due? If the price is the same, but scrappage isn't an option then that doesn't really change anything for me. Current car is worth more scrappage.