Should we cut the dole to fund payrises for nurses?

Balanadan

Seems logical.

Flyingsnowball

Haha quality. Classic divide tactics.
I think they should cut the dole to give hospital cleaners and othe min wage staff a rise but nurses get all the wages.

Balanadan

Flyingsnowball wrote: »

Haha quality. Classic divide tactics.
I think they should cut the dole to give hospital cleaners and othe min wage staff a rise but nurses get all the wages.

Well I'd compromise and cut the dole to give them all a payrise.

oLoonatic

Here we go again!! A bit boring now, is it not?

Flyingsnowball

Balanadan wrote: »

Well I'd compromise and cut the dole to give them all a payrise.

I honestly think nurses get enough. Better wage than the average worker out there.

Beechwoodspark

Personally think that the able bodied long term unemployed should get some form of food stamps instead of cash money

Omackeral

Flyingsnowball wrote: »

I honestly think nurses get enough. Better wage than the average worker out there.

They deserve better than the average worker.

Tacitus Kilgore

Flyingsnowball wrote: »

I honestly think nurses get enough. Better wage than the average worker out there.

Yeah, a shithouse salary for doing their 'average' job.


Get fucked.

Tipsy McSwagger

Think we should cut dole threads or the bellends who start them.

DellyBelly

Flyingsnowball wrote: »

I honestly think nurses get enough. Better wage than the average worker out there.

I believe the average worker earns 50,000 a year so I wouldn't be giving nurses much more than that to be honest.

TheIrishGrover

Yaaaaaaaawwwwwwwnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RacoonQueen

We should just get rid of the dole altogether.

ayux4rj6zql2ph

Some of the dole lifers get more than the nurses when you add up all the benefits.

Idbatterim

Perfectly valued question op. I have asked, every budget, why is hundreds of millions in increases being wasted on the world class welfare system ? Don’t we have full employment for a start?

Working poor being taxed at a fifty percent marginal rate. Infrastructure deficit... huge national debt. They should just have the balls to freeze it for several budgets ...

Poor_old_gill

187.2%

The dole should be staged out over a period of time- like many have suggested before.
This money could be put to much better use elsewhere

Mr. Incognito

This is another stupid dole bashing thread.

We should simply cut tax to 0% on overtime for front line civil servants. Teachers, Guards, Nurses and firemen.

One of the idiotic union demands is benchmarking to private sector like physios who are better qualified dont have job security and dont have a golden state pension.

MFPM

Balanadan wrote: »

Seems logical.

What an insigtful OP, full of thought out strong arguments :rolleyes:

ELM327

Yes

1874

DellyBelly wrote: »

I believe the average worker earns 50,000 a year so I wouldn't be giving nurses much more than that to be honest.

The average wage is not 50k, besides, the mean value should be used anyway.
I suggest we cut politicians wages to fund it, or how about take a cut from the Gardai, who seem to do bugger all when required, they held the country and the Govt to ransom and I did not hear a word about how it would affect collective pay agreements which Ive recently heard trotted out, if nurses/nursing had the same standards as the Gardai people would be dropping dead in hospitals on a daily basis.


I think there are a lot of improvements to the health sector that could be solved without increasing costs or payrises and that would benefit nurses on a daily basis, but I can see that means little to nurses now who need to live on what they get. That said I think there should be more nurses and less OT (less need for OT) but there is the potential to make quite a bit of money on OT now, it shouldnt be required to the extent it is. Id say pay increases along with performance/productivity improvement.
For those that participate in improvements (I dont mean more hours for the same or less pay, I mean things like staffing levels nurse/patient ratios and longterm sick), then pay related improvements should be automatically included and prorata'd, and for those that dont then potentially the same pay they are on, that way there is a reward for working harder or to the requirements of the service, now there seems to be little or no benefit for those that do the extra over those that dont in any aspect of public jobs (as was the case when I was in the public service).

Fr_Dougal

RacoonQueen wrote: »

We should just get rid of the dole altogether.

Waste of time, it’s all disability benefits these days.

ayux4rj6zql2ph

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

We should simply cut tax to 0% on overtime for front line civil servants. Teachers, Guards, Nurses and firemen.

Now now, our overlords King Leo & Prince Paschal would be opposed to that.

Poor_old_gill

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

This is another stupid dole bashing thread.

We should simply cut tax to 0% on overtime for front line civil servants. Teachers, Guards, Nurses and firemen.

One of the idiotic union demands is benchmarking to private sector like physios who are better qualified dont have job security and dont have a golden state pension.

Whenever people think of the pensions that public sector staff get they always have hark back to the days when public sector workers got defined benefit pensions and almost constant pay increases.

Those days are gone and have been for quite a while but its this myth that helps so many arguments.

If you are 50+ in the public sector/semi states and have been there for 20 15 years + then yeah you are probably on a sweet deal.

If you arent one of the above but still in the public sec/semi states then you are not- you are on a highly reduced pay with substantially reduced T&Cs relative to the older guy/gal sitting next to you.

A lot of the seasoned veterans in both industries have more or less downed tools as their pay has been capped and progression opportunites have dwindled- so this lumps extra work on the newer workers as their only way of getting up the ladder is take on a large workload.

The public sector/semi states are hemorrhaging staff of a certain demographic but it goes unnoticed in absolute terms as none of the oul lads are goin anywhere cos they wont get half of their current deal elsewhere.

In a few years the public sector /semi states is going to consist of mainly people about 3 years from retirement and grads- unless they try to fix it.

My suggestion- try introduce a similar system to that late entry loading in the health insurance, but flip it, so that once your salary/pension hits a certain level that it gets hit with a levy that goes back into a pool to increase the wages of the bottom end staff.

It might sound like it will never work but something has to be done- if people disagree then try come up a suggestion yourself.

Barring this- we'll just end up privatising everything

Dannyriver

Flyingsnowball wrote: »

I honestly think nurses get enough. Better wage than the average worker out there.

Nurses burnout is higher than it ever was. It's not just about pay it's about conditions and the ethics of how many hours a person can work in said conditions. All jobs are not equal in their stress levels. There is a lot more nuance to this situation than salary.

Dannyriver

DellyBelly wrote: »

I believe the average worker earns 50,000 a year so I wouldn't be giving nurses much more than that to be honest.

A guy I know believes in fairies and also believes we all have one protecting us.

Lollipops23

You couldn't pay me enough to do what they do.

A major part of their issue is how completely overstretched they are; if nurses (in particular, newly trained ones) were paid more reasonably, they wouldn't be emigrating en masse and the nurses still here wouldn't be so overworked.

Dannyriver

Dannyriver wrote: »

Nurses burnout is higher than it ever was. It's not just about pay it's about conditions and the ethics of how many hours a person can work in said conditions. All jobs are not equal in their stress levels. There is a lot more nuance to this situation than salary.

Anyone on their feet 13 hours a day are going to burn out.

- bo -

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

This is another stupid dole bashing thread.

Honest to jaysus. I don't post here all that often and more of a lurker but it feels like every second thread is exactly that. It's tiring now and at the stage where they all need to be moved to a separate section of their own.

Skylinehead

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

This is another stupid dole bashing thread.

Can't even tell if it's a parody at this point.