Thieving bastards

Perifect

Did anyone see this on RTÉ news?

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2019/0129/1026235-john-and-jacqueline-keenaghan-court/

The poor woman gave them a loan of nearly 300,000, they just spent it all and wouldn't pay her back. They've been punished severely now!

A good news story for you all.

Poor Uncle Tom

The judge saw through their BS, lets see what actually happens here, scum deserve all is thrown at them..........

Emporor Rosko

Good enough for them. With friends like them who needs enemies.

Perifect

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

The judge saw through their BS, lets see what actually happens here, scum deserve all is thrown at them..........

8% interest and they had to pay court fees.

Emporor Rosko

Perifect wrote: »

8% interest and they had to pay court fees.

Plus the interest they will now likely have to pay on the loan they will need to obtain to pay that lady back.. cnuts

monkeysnapper

Just sell the they're financial assets and be done with it.

Scum scum scum

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

Emporor Rosko wrote: »

Plus the interest they will now likely have to pay on the loan they will need to obtain to pay that lady back.. cnuts

Hi just signed up poster.

The blame for this should probably go to some ethnic group. Maybe we could blame the Chinese?

Perifect

Looks like their website is down. https://thearkcounselling.ie/about/john-keenaghan/

Would you trust sending a vulnerable person to see these 'counsellors'?

monkeysnapper

Perifect wrote: »

Looks like their website is down. https://thearkcounselling.ie/about/john-keenaghan/

Would you trust sending a vulnerable person to see these 'counsellors'?

Absolutly ......toxic people.....they make my blood boil ....

corks finest

Emporor Rosko wrote: »

Perifect wrote: »

8% interest and they had to pay court fees.

Plus the interest they will now likely have to pay on the loan they will need to obtain to pay that lady back.. cnuts

Greedy self-esteem serving leeches

AmberGold

Amazing that they had the gall to let this go the distance.

OldMrBrennan83

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

Hi just signed up poster.

The blame for this should probably go to some ethnic group. Maybe we could blame the Chinese?

Why bring anything like that up when nobody else did?

Anyway, this is great to see. Surprisingly seen a few more common sense verdicts from the courts of late, hopefully many more.

gozunda

Perifect wrote: »

Looks like their website is down. https://thearkcounselling.ie/about/john-keenaghan/

Would you trust sending a vulnerable person to see these 'counsellors'?

I know of a certain 'counsellor' locally who was involved in bullying to the extent that it involved harassment and libel. This counsellor is still advertising their services...

Perifect

gozunda wrote: »

I know of a certain 'counsellor' locally who was involved in bullying to the extent that it involved harassment and libel. This counsellor is still advertising their services...

In this day where people are being encouraged to speak to a professional, it's important that research is done on them. Landing in the wrong hands will make things worse.

myshirt

Do they do brass necks in a size 17?

Tansey is a good man as well, no better buachaill to soften their cough. The judge should have awarded damages purely on the strength of the offense caused by looking at the haircut that lady has.

Giveaway

and now that this case is ended the Revenue Commissioners will be after them too. i wonder what the tax implications would be for such a gift. was it declared as a loan to the revenue?

theoneeyedman

Perifect wrote: »

8% interest and they had to pay court fees.

She won't see a penny of it.

Perifect

Giveaway wrote: »

and now that this case is ended the Revenue Commissioners will be after them too. i wonder what the tax implications would be for such a gift. was it declared as a loan to the revenue?

They might need counselling themselves.

Perifect

theoneeyedman wrote: »

She won't see a penny of it.

She won't get it all but she'll get some. They will be forced to sell assets.

punisher5112

I'm owed 5k was awarded 4k but had to pay my own costs.

Guy paid back half and never paid the rest, do you think I can get ......

Mrsmum

Really nasty people without a scrap of honesty and decency. If there is a regulatory body over the counselling and psychotherapy business, I think they should be struck off as they are not fit to be counselling vulnerable people.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

Why bring anything like that up when nobody else did?

It was an attempt at a joke. That's all.

dxhound2005

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

Anyway, this is great to see. Surprisingly seen a few more common sense verdicts from the courts of late, hopefully many more.

Cases are decided on the evidence, not on common sense. If you knew the full details of those which you think went against common sense, you might change your mind. A lot of verdicts are available online.

http://www.courts.ie/Judgments.nsf/0/51211A306A4723A58025838B0052EA81

KevRossi

They refused to negotiate and decided to go to court.

They would probably negotiate 4% interest per annum over the past 5 years and their legal fees would be probably €20,000 less.

So refusing to negotiate to return money they knew they owed her cost them around €75,000 extra (minimum).

LMFAO here.

ohnonotgmail

KevRossi wrote: »

They refused to negotiate and decided to go to court.

They would probably negotiate 4% interest per annum over the past 5 years and their legal fees would be probably €20,000 less.

So refusing to negotiate to return money they knew they owed her cost them around €75,000 extra (minimum).

LMFAO here.

that case has been in the high court for the last week. €20,000 is probably a bit low. If they had offered to pay her back before it went they could probably have got away with no interest at all.

TomSweeney

theoneeyedman wrote: »

She won't see a penny of it.

That's what I'd be worried about, that they will pay her in pitiful installments..

ohnonotgmail

TomSweeney wrote: »

That's what I'd be worried about, that they will pay her in pitiful installments..

They have assets to sell. they will be sold.

Fr_Dougal

punisher5112 wrote: »

I'm owed 5k was awarded 4k but had to pay my own costs.

Guy paid back half and never paid the rest, do you think I can get ......

Get a judgement against his property, if he ever goes to sell it you’ll get paid. I think they last 5 years. Good time to do it and won’t cost much.

TomSweeney

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

They have assets to sell. they will be sold.

Good

punisher5112

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Get a judgement against his property, if he ever goes to sell it you’ll get paid. I think they last 5 years. Good time to do it and won’t cost much.

He owns nothing, council house and no longer works.

Lent him the money for rent and he in the end had no intention of giving it back.

Went to court and payments of €10 a week.

This stopped many times and nothing now 2 years, solicitor have shut and no come back on it.

BattleCorp

KevRossi wrote: »

They refused to negotiate and decided to go to court.

They would probably negotiate 4% interest per annum over the past 5 years and their legal fees would be probably €20,000 less.

So refusing to negotiate to return money they knew they owed her cost them around €75,000 extra (minimum).

€20k for a week in the High Court??? Not a chance. I'd say the costs will be over €100k. Don't forget that they have to pay their own costs and the costs of the lady they duped.

What I'm wondering is that if the couple have an asset (their family home), can this be sold to pay off some/all of the debt? The reason I'm wondering this is that the courts are often loathe to take the family home from someone.

ohnonotgmail

BattleCorp wrote: »

€20k for a week in the High Court??? Not a chance. I'd say the costs will be over €100k. Don't forget that they have to pay their own costs and the costs of the lady they duped.

What I'm wondering is that if the couple have an asset (their family home), can this be sold to pay off some/all of the debt? The reason I'm wondering this is that the courts are often loathe to take the family home from someone.

They have other assets apparently.

Muckka

I love it from Park Bench to Park Avenue to rusty brittle park bench...

Karma is brilliant, I hope they have to sell their assets and pay every last cent back to that lady.

valoren

A solicitor could have a nice little niche offering a small fee service, say €20, to draw up contracts for small loans made between friends, family and colleagues. I'm thinking something like over €200 but below a €1,000. The kind of figure nefarious people would screw you over for. If anything this would have something tangible for the lender who is taking all the risk.

It would just be a one page contract agreement signed by the solicitor and both parties stating the amount of the LOAN given, the agreed repayment terms e.g. if loaning 500, then repayment will be 20 quid a week for 25 weeks, no interest charged etc. If the person you're loaning to proceeded to tell you to get stuffed or ignore request for repayment then you would have some fall back when going to small claims court.

I'd imagine if someone was sussing you out for a loan, with the objective of screwing you over, they wouldn't go through with it when you put a legal document in front of them to sign and date. No need to even go to the office, it could be done online and digital signatures used. Good idea for an App actually. I think a manipulative person would pretend to be insulted, offended at having their integrity questioned but all you'd be doing is covering yourself.

In this case it was manipulative people exploiting a vulnerable woman into 'loaning' them money they had no intentions of ever paying back. The risk they took was that she would never have the confidence or capacity to actually get it back. It is very naive to give such a significant sum without a contract/collateral/covering your ass type arrangement. That naivety was exploited. It's gratifying that she realised she'd been swindled and will get recompense and also that those people's reputations are now permanently sullied.

Spook_ie

Me being overly cynical here and yes it's a horrendous tale but at least she'll get some access to the €280000 she loaned, which would seem to be better than the other €470000 left from the award which seems to have been spent as she is now reliant on DSP payments.