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African Countries In The Dregs Of IQ Rankings

  • 23-01-2019 6:48pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭


    If you don't already know, Most African countries lie at very bottom of the world's IQ rankings.

    Sub-Saharan Africa arguably hosts the most backwards nations on Earth. When taking measures of literacy, productivity, education, rule of law, corruption, crime, poverty, innovation in terms of patents, Nobel Prizes or Fields Medals, health care, quality of life, etc., SS Africa falls either at or near the bottom.

    I am interested to see other people's opinions on why this seems to be the case?, and what could we could do to help?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,273 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Literacy issues yourself? The answers are in your post.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭splashuum


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Literacy issues yourself? The answers are in your post.

    Funnily enough this thread isn’t about my level of literacy. Create one if you wish.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    splashuum wrote: »

    I am interested to see other people's opinions on why this seems to be the case?, and what could we could do to help?


    It's interesting that the same theories that propose what you say also have Jews stacked at the top of the list.

    Proof the Jews have rigged the game in their favour.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,273 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Does it make you feel better about yourself being nasty to strangers on the internet?

    It's my raison d'etre.

    (That's French btw)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    paw patrol wrote: »
    It's interesting that the same theories that propose what you say also have Jews stacked at the top of the list.

    Proof the Jews have rigged the game in their favour.
    Which Jews and how is it proof?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    Which Jews and how is it proof?

    the Jews run the world ..its on the internet


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    paw patrol wrote: »
    the Jews run the world ..its on the internet

    And the Africans are stupid, apparently.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    splashuum wrote: »
    If you don't already know, Most African countries lie at very bottom of the world's IQ rankings.

    Sub-Saharan Africa arguably hosts the most backwards nations on Earth. When taking measures of literacy, productivity, education, rule of law, corruption, crime, poverty, innovation in terms of patents, Nobel Prizes or Fields Medals, health care, quality of life, etc., SS Africa falls either at or near the bottom.

    I am interested to see other people's opinions on why this seems to be the case?, and what could we could do to help?

    Hey can you provide links to this?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,813 ✭✭✭Noveight


    Colonisers came and took their goodies.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,440 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    Has someone recently opened a cryogenic freezer in Argentina or something? There's an awful lot of this kind of pish flappery on AH these days .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    Hurrache wrote: »
    It's my raison d'etre.

    (That's French btw)

    Not really. Half English, half French, more correctly. "It's my" is correct English, though. Well done on that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭splashuum


    amcalester wrote: »
    paw patrol wrote: »
    the Jews run the world ..its on the internet

    And the Africans are stupid, apparently.

    Do you beleive that SS Africans have the same level of intellect as that of people from western nations?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    paw patrol wrote: »
    the Jews run the world ..its on the internet

    Beyoncé would beg to differ.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    The only thing IQ tests prove is your level of proficiency at doing IQ tests. If anything the premise of the thread is evidence of the above.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    splashuum wrote: »
    Do you beleive that SS Africans have the same level of intellect as that of people from western nations?

    Having lived in both Africa and Western Europe, yes.

    Do yourself a favour, visit these countries, might help sort out your self worth issue if you're forced to question your beliefs by being challenged.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    splashuum wrote: »
    Do you beleive that SS Africans have the same level of intellect as that of people from western nations?

    Given access to the same advantages we have, yes I do.

    According to a google search Singaporeans have the highest IQ, maybe we westerners should be trying to emulate those Asians.

    South Korea and Japan round out the top 3.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    The only thing IQ tests prove is your level of proficiency at doing IQ tests. If anything the premise of the thread is evidence of the above.


    +1 IQ tests are notoriously inaccurate in (not only) the developing world.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    Has someone recently opened a cryogenic freezer in Argentina or something? There's an awful lot of this kind of pish flappery on AH these days .
    American MAGAts

    Sad ****er set up an account to defend his other account.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,440 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    splashuum wrote: »
    Do you beleive that SS Africans have the same level of intellect as that of people from western nations?

    Having lived in both Africa and Western Europe, yes.

    Do yourself a favour, visit these countries, might help sort out your self worth issue if you're forced to question your beliefs by being challenged.
    He might defrost too fast if he goes somewhere too hot. Actually, that might not be such a bad thing after all...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,145 ✭✭✭BQQ


    Not really. Half English, half French, more correctly. "It's my" is correct English, though. Well done on that.

    More characters/syllables in the French part
    More like one third English, two thirds French

    If you’re going to be pedantic, get it right :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭splashuum


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Hey can you provide links to this?
    https://brainstats.com/average-iq-by-country.html

    https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

    Just a couple of links. There's also reams of info and studies that proves this in great detail if you wish to look up it.

    Why are people trying to deny factual evidence? Baffling:confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 61 ✭✭Humphrey BoaGart


    Does it make you feel better about yourself being nasty to strangers on the internet?

    Does it make you feel better about yourself to keep getting banned and re-regging?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭splashuum


    Having lived in both Africa and Western Europe, yes.

    Do yourself a favour, visit these countries, might help sort out your self worth issue if you're forced to question your beliefs by being challenged.

    Then please explain why newborn children adopted from African countries frequently achieve lower scores on IQ tests compared to their western non-adopted siblings?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,095 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    I left school at 16 with 4 O levels. My husband had two primary degrees, a Master's degree and a H.Dip. all achieved before he was 23. I could always beat him in IQ tests because I had done them at various stages during my education, and I was rather more creative - I could 'see' connections and sequences. They don't prove anything. And there is more than one type of intelligence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,934 ✭✭✭Renegade Mechanic


    paw patrol wrote: »
    It's interesting that the same theories that propose what you say also have Jews stacked at the top of the list.

    Proof the Jews have rigged the game in their favour.

    Hahaha no. For all Hitler's ranting about creating a master race, he rather ironically did just that..
    By forcing the most dogged, tenacious and intelligent Jews to survive the Nazi onslaught, and cutting away the rest through the Holocaust, he created a Race of people proven to display far superior traits to the average person. Whether we like it or not.

    I believe that Kallergi fellow the EU payed its respects to for being part of it's Pan-european founding way back put it quite well;

    "Instead of destroying European Jewry, Europe, against its own will, refined and educated this people into a future leader-nation through this artificial selection process. No wonder that this people, that escaped Ghetto-Prison, developed into a spiritual nobility of Europe. Therefore a gracious Providence provided Europe with a new race of nobility by the Grace of Spirit. This happened at the moment when Europe's feudal aristocracy became dilapidated, and thanks to Jewish emancipation."

    Thanks, Hitler :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    splashuum wrote: »
    https://brainstats.com/average-iq-by-country.html

    https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

    Just a couple of links. There's also reams of info and studies that proves this in great detail if you wish to look up it.

    Why are people trying to deny factual evidence? Baffling:confused:

    Because both sites are bs. Also IQ studies are up there with phrenology in science. It's a highly varied definition that changes with variables such as who is doing the testing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,095 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Oh - and during my time living in East Africa most of the Africans I met spoke multiple languages and dialects - at a minimum, their tribal language, the local most common tribal language, Swahili and English. Yes, definitely thick. How many languages do you speak Splashuum?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    There was a research out couple of years ago that poverty makes you about 15 points stupider. Men used to be better at iq tests, I'm too lazy to check if that's still the case. People from north of USA used to do better as those from south and so on. Even in one's life time the iq score will change. I'm pretty sure mine is now quite a bit lower than it used to be, oh's is still at similar level because he operates with numbers, technical drawings and creative solutions.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    You have to be a special kind of stupid to ignore the correlation between IQ tests scores and level of development of each territory.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 746 ✭✭✭GinAndBitter




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 382 ✭✭Giveaway



    anybody of any background can have a mental health crisis.
    also if one looked at Mensa members one would see low achievement versus their iq scores
    IQ tests have inherent biases and should not be used as a marker of intelligence, .
    as a previous poster said, all a high IQ test demonstrates is an ability to score well on an IQ test not a person's truentelligence.
    if one went back in time pre independence, Irish people were considered of low intelligence with higher rates of mental illness and inferior by other Europeans, based on prejudice not objective evidence


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 118 ✭✭QuintusFabius


    It's a touchy subject, and a study would be fascinating, unfortunately no one would touch it as their career could be finished, people will always assume it will have a white supremacy angle.

    I do think there are differences in intelligence based on race - but not on strength, but rather in different areas.
    So for example Asians I think will dominate in Maths - this due to their way of counting in their languages suits a learning kids brain more.

    Problem is with IQ tests, they are designed for western education systems.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 382 ✭✭Giveaway


    I also suspect the IQ correlation is more with poverty and not with race.
    Imagine the average IQ can be lowered due to infectious disease causing injury to children. For example outbreaks of measles mumps rubella, sepsis, encephalitis, birth injuries etc will have a delerterious effect on a populations' IQ.
    I expect, as sanitation, healthcare and housing improves in these countries average IQ rates will rise. I suspect Ireland is a good example of this concept. There is also good merit in the argument that if you culturally don't value IQ tests or the skills IQ tests measure,,then you won;t score highly(as per Quintus Fabius)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 118 ✭✭QuintusFabius


    +1 for the poverty angle.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Giveaway wrote: »
    I also suspect the IQ correlation is more with poverty and not with race.
    Imagine the average IQ can be lowered due to infectious disease causing injury to children. For example outbreaks of measles mumps rubella, sepsis, encephalitis, birth injuries etc will have a delerterious effect on a populations' IQ.
    I expect, as sanitation, healthcare and housing improves in these countries average IQ rates will rise. I suspect Ireland is a good example of this concept. There is also good merit in the argument that if you culturally don't value IQ tests or the skills IQ tests measure,,then you won;t score highly(as per Quintus Fabius)

    Apparently people under financial stress do a lot worse.

    https://borgenproject.org/poverty-intelligence/

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/science/poverty-intelligence-aging-brain-low-income-inequality-a7333506.html%3famp


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    And so what? Even if a certain race or ethnicity did happen to be on average less intelligent than others what difference would it make? Im sure if they received the same level of education as europeans do IQ would be similar anyway


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 691 ✭✭✭DS86DS


    The link between the state of Africa, and low IQ in the 70's is undeniable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 568 ✭✭✭rgodard80a


    splashuum wrote: »
    If you don't already know, Most African countries lie at very bottom of the world's IQ rankings.

    That explains why they thrive as taxi drivers here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    rgodard80a wrote: »
    That explains why they thrive as taxi drivers here.

    Hehehe


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 691 ✭✭✭DS86DS


    rgodard80a wrote: »
    That explains why they thrive as taxi drivers here.

    Uh oh



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 13,105 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    Yawn...

    ...yet another troll thread looking to justify racism.

    Or did you author the controversial book The Bell Curve OP?

    Didn't think so. Back to ranting on Stromfront with ye!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 382 ✭✭Giveaway


    Now that would be an excellent study. Calculate the average IQ of the stormfront posters and compare this to other nation's IQs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,582 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    DS86DS wrote: »
    The link between the state of Africa, and low IQ in the 70's is undeniable.

    Are you implying that the conditions are a result of the IQ or the IQ the result of the conditions? A combination of the two?

    I'd guess it's a lot more complicated but that the two aren't completely independent variables.
    JupiterKid wrote: »
    Didn't think so. Back to ranting on Stromfront with ye!

    I've only recently started looking at Boards more regularly after a bit of time away and I've noticed that there are a lot more Stormfront-like posts than a few years back. Is it the political climate or something?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    The After Hours/Stormfront crossover continues apace I see.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,076 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    Problem is with IQ tests, they are designed for western education systems.
    Even the "culture fair" tests that need no instructions beyond "complete the sequence"? It's almost as if the people who develop such test were aware that cultural bias could be a problem, and actually did something about it ...

    The idea that giving any credence to IQ tests makes you a white supremacist doesn't make sense once you notice the way white (Caucasian) people are merely average on such tests, not superior at all. :rolleyes:

    You are the type of what the age is searching for, and what it is afraid it has found. I am so glad that you have never done anything, never carved a statue, or painted a picture, or produced anything outside of yourself! Life has been your art. You have set yourself to music. Your days are your sonnets.

    ―Oscar Wilde predicting Social Media, in The Picture of Dorian Gray



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭Pelvis


    Poorest countries in having lowest IQ shocker.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    Hurrache wrote: »
    It's my raison d'etre.

    (That's French btw)

    It would be even more French if you had used l'accent circonflex to spell être correctly.

    Luckily it isn't a literacy test, eh ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    Absolute state of this thread.


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