Sale of NO-ALCOHOLIC beer after 10 PM and the supply of said to under 18's

Crock Rock

Just a legal anomoly I'd like to discuss. I don't want to get into a discussion around the 10PM rule. I imagine it'd just go around in circles!



When I was in a local supermarket recently I was purchasing some non-alcoholic Erdingers at 11 PM. The girl at the checkout asked me for ID because the till told her to (I have to admit I took it as a compliment , I'm touching 28 and she was about 18 :pac:). She then scanned it, and the till would not process the sale!


I was chatting to her for a bit and she couldn't apologise enough. It wasn't her fault, I know. Out of curiosity, I grabbed some vanilla extract that was sitting beside the till conveyor belt, I asked her to scan it and see out of curiosity.... It scanned through!


So it got me thinking. People might argue that the "non-alcoholic" beer has a miniscule amount of alcohol (however small), and therefore must be subject to the 10PM rule. But, shouldn't the vanilla extract be subject to the 10PM rule too then?!(it's 40/50% alcohol), and what about Jack Daniel's sauce to? Some citrus fruits naturally ferment alcohol even! Besides, beers of less than a certain value (0.5%) are not subject to alcohol excise duty.

Certain countries in Europe define an alcoholic beverage as one in which there is >=0.5% alcohol by volume, drinks below 0.5% ABV are not considered alcoholic beverages at all.


So what's the legal situation?

This thread is a crock.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Vanilla extract just happened to be siting near the checkout? Right!

Crock Rock

Kade Delightful Theorist wrote: »

Vanilla extract just happened to be siting near the checkout? Right!

Vanilla extract food colouring, on a small shelf at the conveyor. Don't know why you're implyng that I'm making it up. I've nothing to gain from lying.

SEPT 23 1989

The situation is you grow a pair and buy a bottle of Bells

Crock Rock

I'm new to this website and I'm just noticing there's different sections. Perhaps it can be moved to a better suited section? If there's a law or consumer onw. Any idea how I can go about moving the location of the thread?

RossieMan

Jack Daniels sauce also won't go through in most supermarkets. Also some festive minced pies as they had alcohol I found out.

antodeco

Crock Rock wrote: »

I'm new to this website and I'm just noticing there's different sections. Perhaps it can be moved to a better suited section? If there's a law or consumer onw. Any idea how I can go about moving the location of the thread?

Just gone 10pm. Can't help you im afraid. Vanilla extract however....

Crock Rock

antodeco wrote: »

Just gone 10pm. Can't help you im afraid. Vanilla extract however....

Are you a website manager?

How Soon Is Now

Crock Rock wrote: »

I'm new to this website and I'm just noticing there's different sections. Perhaps it can be moved to a better suited section? If there's a law or consumer onw. Any idea how I can go about moving the location of the thread?

My advice your new your mind is still in one piece run now!!

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Crock Rock wrote: »

Vanilla extract food colouring, on a small shelf at the conveyor. Don't know why you're implyng that I'm making it up. I've nothing to gain from lying.

Vanilla Extract and food colouring are two very different products. :rolleyes:

The reason Vanilla Extract is not treated as alcohol is because it is non-potable - try drinking it straight!

kowloon

Kade Delightful Theorist wrote: »

The reason Vanilla Extract is not treated as alcohol is because it is non-potable - try drinking it straight!

And that's the story of how the 'Vanilla Extract Challenge' began.

Ten of Swords

Crock Rock wrote: »

I don't want to get into a discussion around the 10PM rule.

Crock Rock wrote: »

...therefore must be subject to the 10PM rule

...be subject to the 10PM rule too

So what's the legal situation?

Logic malfunction detected :pac:

elperello

OP
You are getting a baptism of fire.
It is an interesting topic. Logically the alcohol free product should be exempt from licensing.
Try Legal Discussion.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Here's me dying for a gargle but I didn't make the 10pm cut off, but guess what I have in the press?.. Happy fooking days

Alrigghtythen

We like a nanny state

10pm is bedtime

Richard Hillman

Kade Delightful Theorist wrote: »

Vanilla Extract and food colouring are two very different products. :rolleyes:

The reason Vanilla Extract is not treated as alcohol is because it is non-potable - try drinking it straight!

Can you mix it with Coke?

hynesie08

How did you even get the N/A beers? Wouldn't they be in the closed off section with the real beer?

RossieMan

hynesie08 wrote:

How did you even get the N/A beers? Wouldn't they be in the closed off section with the real beer?

Of course they would. The OP is one of those people who open the cord or whatever the shop uses and helps themselves. They know better.

pure.conya

RossieMan wrote: »

Of course they would. The OP is one of those people who open the cord or whatever the shop uses and helps themselves. They know better.

Op was buying non alcoholic beer tho. a certain type of person would stand outside the barrier like a lemming, whereas op was 100% correct to cross it and proceed to buy his non alcoholic beer

weldoninhio

pure.conya wrote: »

Op was buying non alcoholic beer tho. a certain type of person would stand outside the barrier like a lemming, whereas op was 100% correct to cross it and proceed to buy his non alcoholic beer

But he didn’t buy it. Hence the thread.

Dakotabigone

Catholic Church still got a hold on us or is it Leo?

AskMeBollix

And if the vanilla wasn't beside the register it would make his story less interesting not that it is interesting at all

BrokenArrows

Fines are high for retailers who sell after hours. So it's easier for them to classify everything as being alcohol rather than have to inspect everything and determine whether it falls under the minimum alcohol threshold. Of they make a mistake then they stand to lose a lot more than they will make from selling non alcoholic beer.

WoollyRedHat

The likes of Heineken 0.0 have no more than 0.05 abv. A banana would have similar. It shouldn't be subject to 10pm rule imo. There should be be incentives for people to drink this if anything.

JohnnyFlash

That new Guinness Pure Brew is actually a lovely drink. Tastes better than some of the shîtty ice cold lagers.

Ciaran_B

Pubs were still open, should have gone for a pint instead of (checks notes) drinking vanilla extract.

Crock Rock

Hi all.
Thanks for all your input (although some was mocking me) :pac:


Can the website manager please move this? I noticed a legal forum on this website. Thanks.

weldoninhio

Crock Rock wrote: »

Hi all.
Thanks for all your input (although some was mocking me) :pac:


Can the website manager please move this? I noticed a legal forum on this website. Thanks.

No need. I can answer it here. The shop has no legal obligation to sell you anything.

MrMusician18

There is no legal restrictions on the sale of non-alcoholic beverage. Vanilla extract is not a beverage.

The reason you couldn't buy it was probably due to a lazy implementation in the point of sale software where say anything with "beer" in it's title or description is prohibited from sale outside licensed hours. This may be also justified from a staff training perspective o make things simple - all beers inc. non alcoholic are prohibited after 10.

And if course, the shop doesn't have to sell you anything

robarmstrong

Crock Rock wrote: »

Hi all.
Thanks for all your input (although some was mocking me) :pac:


Can the website manager please move this? I noticed a legal forum on this website. Thanks.

The website manager is out of office.

However this has been escalated to the Grand Wizard of Boards who will be in touch with you regarding this request.

To tell ya to shove it up yer ballax

Lone Stone

so like did you get to bang the check out girl or what ?

Ten of Swords

kowloon wrote: »

And that's the story of how the 'Vanilla Extract Challenge' began.

This person failed!

Capt'n Midnight

Crock Rock wrote: »

Vanilla extract food colouring, on a small shelf at the conveyor. Don't know why you're implyng that I'm making it up. I've nothing to gain from lying.

I think I just dyed a little inside

Graces7

AskMeBollix wrote: »

And if the vanilla wasn't beside the register it would make his story less interesting not that it is interesting at all

There are often odd things at the checkout if folk have picked them up in error or run out of money.