Brexit - UK travel with child

Tomw86

Hi All,

I am just wondering if anyone knows how travel to and from the UK will work with a child who is an Irish passport holder and father who has a UK passport.

Basically, if the child resides in Ireland and only holds and Irish passport what will the father need to do in order to a) come to visit, b) take the child back to the UK with him for a period of up to 1 week?

Currently, the father gets the boat from the UK to Belfast and drives down. He does not currently hold any passport.

Thanks for the advice,

PringleDemon

Simple solution is that he WILL need a passport asap .

Tomw86

PringleDemon wrote: »

Simple solution is that he WILL need a passport asap .

Thanks.

I suppose its hard to know this, but will the father need to get anything else from an Irish Embassy & the mother in order to bring the child out of the country?

UK passport holder bringing a minor with Irish passport out of the country - I would suspect this could cause issues somewhere along the line!

Child is under 8 if that makes a difference.

Also, do people think that travel back and forth to the UK (be it by boat or plane) will become significantly more expensive?

EdgeCase

At present nobody can answer any questions on the aftermath of Brexit as the British Government hasn't agreed anything or made anything clear.

The assumption at present is that the Common Travel Area (CTA) which applies to Irish and British citizens, allowing them to move freely, live or work and vote in each other's countries will continue as is.

This only applies to movement of people. It has no implications for movement of goods, capital or services. A customs border would apply if the current EU arranging end.

It also does not apply to anyone other than Irish or UK citizens. EU citizens resident in Ireland who are not Irish passport holders would have no rights in the UK

We have absolutely no idea how the border arrangements will work and at present no indication whatsoever about flights or ferries.

Unfortunately, we are dealing with probably the most incompetent bunch of UK politians in modern history and there's no plan, only brinkmanship and wishful thinking.

The whole thing could also be delayed or even called off entirely.

So, all I could say is watch the news and make contact with embassies and so on closer to the date.

It's definitely advisable to get your child a valid passport and it's also possible to list parents in the notes AFAIK.

Bring as much ID as you can to avoid any issues crossing borders.

It's unfortunate that nobody can answer these questions but that's the nature of this mess.

EdgeCase

EdgeCase wrote: »

At present nobody can answer any questions on the aftermath of Brexit as the British Government hasn't agreed anything or made anything clear.

The assumption at present is that the Common Travel Area (CTA) which applies to Irish and British citizens, allowing them to move freely, live or work and vote in each other's countries will continue as is.

it isn't an assumption, all parties have agreed that it will continue regardless of what happens.

Travel between the UK and Ireland will not be affected, other than potential customs delays. for people, it will continue as it is currently.

https://www.dfa.ie/brexit/getting-ireland-brexit-ready/brexit-and-you/living-working-in-the-uk/

Fr_Dougal

Tomw86 wrote: »

Hi All,

I am just wondering if anyone knows how travel to and from the UK will work with a child who is an Irish passport holder and father who has a UK passport.

Basically, if the child resides in Ireland and only holds and Irish passport what will the father need to do in order to a) come to visit, b) take the child back to the UK with him for a period of up to 1 week?

Currently, the father gets the boat from the UK to Belfast and drives down. He does not currently hold any passport.

Thanks for the advice,

An original unabridged birth certificate and a signed affidavit by the mother giving permission to travel. That’s worst case scenario.

EdgeCase

Aegir wrote: »

it isn't an assumption, all parties have agreed that it will continue regardless of what happens.

Travel between the UK and Ireland will not be affected, other than potential customs delays. for people, it will continue as it is currently.

It's an assumption. Absolutely nothing is signed off on.
All it takes is one bunch of Tory jingoistic types to decide to make the CTA a bargaining chip and it's gone.

All we have to date is political statements from a group of politicians who don't keep their word.

We also have absolutely no idea what way the UK is going to enforce the CTA as there is already checking of passport / ID at ports and airports. Many aspects of the CTA itself are more broad principles than specifics and it's implementing legislation is spread across various acts of parliament.

All we can do is make reasonable assumptions but I would definitely prepare by having passports for your kids and not just cross without ID as all it takes is some jobsworth to arbitrarily start enforcing things and you've a showdown over it.

EdgeCase

EdgeCase wrote: »

It's an assumption. Absolutely nothing is signed off on.
All it takes is one bunch of Tory jingoistic types to decide to make the CTA a bargaining chip and it's gone.

OP, I suggest you ignore this comment. the rights of Irish citizens in the UK are protected under the immigration act 1971, so it would take an act of parliament to change them. The EU have effectively stepped away from the CTA and called it a matter solely between the Irish and British governments, so it isn't a bargaining chip at all.

EdgeCase wrote: »

All we have to date is political statements from a group of politicians who don't keep their word.

aah come on, Fine Gael aren't that bad

EdgeCase wrote: »

We also have absolutely no idea what way the UK is going to enforce the CTA as there is already checking of passport / ID at ports and airports.

err, checking ID is a legal requirement of getting on to a plane. Although on landing, the only place you are likely to get asked for ID is in Dublin.

I've been travelling by car between the UK and Ireland for over 18 years and I have only ever been asked once, when disembarking the Ulysses as a foot passenger in Dublin. I admit, I haven't done it now for nearly six months.

EdgeCase wrote: »

All we can do is make reasonable assumptions but I would definitely prepare by having passports for your kids and not just cross without ID as all it takes is some jobsworth to arbitrarily start enforcing things and you've a showdown over it.

The OP's kids have a passport, their father does not. Which begs the question though, who doesn't have a passport in this day and age?

BrokenArrows

Tomw86 wrote: »

Hi All,

I am just wondering if anyone knows how travel to and from the UK will work with a child who is an Irish passport holder and father who has a UK passport.

Basically, if the child resides in Ireland and only holds and Irish passport what will the father need to do in order to a) come to visit, b) take the child back to the UK with him for a period of up to 1 week?

Currently, the father gets the boat from the UK to Belfast and drives down. He does not currently hold any passport.

Thanks for the advice,

Freedom of travel between the UK and Ireland will remain free even after Brexit. You just need to have passports.

You will need permission from the mother to leave the country. A written document should be fine.

martinedwards

Aegir wrote: »

Which begs the question though, who doesn't have a passport in this day and age?

LOADS!

Bear in mind that the U&K passport is a lot more fiddly to get than an Irish one (I have both and used to work in UK passports)

A first time adult applicant in the UK needs to attend an interview to confirm identity. Expected timescale is at least 6 weeks.

when we applied for Irish ones last year, it was a bunch of paper in the post, and back they came in 3 weeks.

Tomw86

Thanks all.

Yeah the father doesn't have a passport, I find it shocking as his kid lives here. Anyway, he always travels by boat and doesn't get asked for ID, nor the child as he never has to bring it with him.

All that will change now for sure as it will become a lot stricter, albeit I think the Freedom of travel will stay in existence.

Mrs OBumble

Aegir wrote: »

Which begs the question though, who doesn't have a passport in this day and age?

Most Americans!

Anyone who cannot afford to renew sn expired passport.

biko

It won't work after Brexit sorry

Everyone keeps telling me the borders will be closed and maybe there will be a WW3.