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Running for Office

  • 17-01-2019 2:56pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 625 ✭✭✭ al87987


    I have always wanted to run for office. Training as an accountant now but would love to do it at some point.


    Here are just a few of my policies, would you vote for me?

    - Abolish at least half of all golf courses inside the M50, buy the land back at market price and build 1/2 bedroom apartment complexes to ease housing problems.

    - People on the dole for more than 4 months must register 10 hours of community/charity service per week to continue being paid.

    - Scrap motor tax, add a couple of cents to petrol. The bigger the road user, the more you pay.

    - Make Irish non-compulsory in schools and make other languages available earlier.

    - Increase cycle lanes here, there and everywhere.

    - Increased taxes on empty properties to stop hoarding.

    - Decriminalise drugs, legalize weed.



    Just a few ideas to help improve this country, feel free to disagree with any.

    I just want to know would people out there respond well to these types of policies.

    Would you vote for these policies? 25 votes

    Yes
    92% 23 votes
    No
    8% 2 votes


Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,123 ✭✭✭ amcalester


    Nah, we only vote for teachers not accountants.


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭ FreudianSlippers


    We have enough underutilised land inside the M50 to not have to buy golf courses. Also, a bit of green space is a good thing in a city.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭ megaten


    Just getting into the Dail won't help you get any of those by itself unless you can get a minority government to buy your support for one of them


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭ James Brown


    Apart from possibly the increase in cycle lanes and legalising weed, the rest of your policies will cause more harm than good.
    Weed will be legal within 6 years tops IMO.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭ El Tarangu


    Most of your policies seem to jibe quite well with those of the Green Party (well, apart from the social welfare one); I don't think that they are overrun with potential election candidates, so if you joined up with them, you could get a run at seat on the council within a couple of years.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 625 ✭✭✭ al87987


    We have enough underutilised land inside the M50 to not have to buy golf courses. Also, a bit of green space is a good thing in a city.

    I agree a lot of our land is underutilised but none more so than the golf clubs.

    I live 15 minutes from the city centre and within 15 minutes of my house are Milltown G.C. The Castle, The Grange, Edmondstown, and Elm Park.

    And that’s even before you go slightly over the M50 for Rathfarnham, Stackstown, Ballinascorney, all still within a stones throw of each other.

    We have people commuting to Dublin from all over the country and 47% of our land inside the M50 is grass.

    I am in no way saying to get rid of all parks etc.. but these neighbouring golf clubs are an extreme misuse of valuable land.

    I have never seen another major city with this usage of land so close to the city centre.


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭ FreudianSlippers


    al87987 wrote: »

    We have people commuting to Dublin from all over the country and 47% of our land inside the M50 is grass.

    I don't play golf so I don't have a horse in this race, but I'd be interested to see the source of this statistic and how much of that is golf courses, and how many of those courses are on viable construction land.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭ CPTM


    I would have thought that building tall buildings within the city centre would be better than building flat constructions outside the city centre which don't have an adequate transport system at the minute. The darts and buses are full at the moment, and the roads are full of cars. Building outside the side will add to all of that.

    Your policy on dole doesn't take into consideration mental illness or single parent families who can't afford to go back to work. For example a single income family wherein the sole earner up and leaves the other parent to cope with 2 young kids. Don't they deserve jobseekers allowance without having to sacrifice 10 hours per week?

    How did you reach the figure of a "couple of cent" to ensure enough is raised to cover the existing amount collected from road users?

    Have you considered the cost of policing the 'empty property tax' you've mentioned? Sure it can be implemented, but surely anyone with a brain can make it look like their empty property is lived in? If I had a second home, I have a dozen friends who are willing to prove that they are living there despite the fact they're not. So the cost of identifying those who are avoiding the tax might outweigh the extra amount collected.

    Decriminalising drugs. Not sure where I stand with this personally. Ireland is a country that binges on every single vice legally available so far, from porn to cigarettes and of course alcohol. Then again, the underground drug trade here is booming, so bringing it above ground might be a good idea.

    Conclusion :
    Most of the taxi drivers in Dublin can lecture us all on the policies as you've mentioned them (aside from the cycle lanes maybe!). The point I'm making here, is that the difference between them and a legislator is that a legislator needs detail and analysis and weigh up the costs vs benefits which I don't think you've done yet. You've got good ideas, but until you bring detail and a wider vision beyond things that just annoy us (like the dole offenders who can't be arsed working), I don't think I would vote for you.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,725 ✭✭✭✭ ednwireland


    i think you need to think more about your policies, but you wouldnt be wanting to be a politician.

    one example im suspicious about empty properties called hoarding, if you own a property it only needs to meet the building regulations when its built and you can live in it for the rest of your life, once you rent a property out you have to meet the current regulations, i suspect that is what stops a lot of houses been rented, now empty sites or council houses not used or companies that own properties - different matter.

    as a person who owns a second property beleive me it can be hard to keep sometimes with an older rental property.

    your suggestion on unemployed doing charity/ community work - no problem with that

    cycle lanes good but keep em clean and in good repair might be hard.

    the rest meh ! dublin policies as far as i can see maybe go for the council ? then again they say all politics is local.

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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,348 Mod ✭✭✭✭ johnnyskeleton


    Irish people want a public representative and aren't too keen on listening to someone else's ideological platform.

    If you seriously want to get into politics, you start by becoming involved in your local area. Get a few neighbours together and form a neighbourhood watch. Maybe get some bin bags and clean up the local park, and make sure everyone knows you do it. Set up a "XXXX local area residents association" and get to know people and what they want.

    The next step is to get your name out there and your intentions known. Very few independents win on their first election attempt unless they have some other celebrity factor going for them. People generally are reluctant to vote for someone they don't know over someone they do, so getting to know people is the next step.

    After that, you can start discussing policy, but bear in mind that people will realise straight off whether what you are advocating is achieveable or not. For instance, if you are running for a local council, there's no point having a social welfare platform as that is handled by the national government.

    As for your policies, the following issues arise:
    - Abolish at least half of all golf courses inside the M50, buy the land back at market price and build 1/2 bedroom apartment complexes to ease housing problems.

    No one who likes golf or any other outdoor sports will vote for you if this is your plan. People want more housing, but definitely not at the expense of local amenities. As this would happen at a local council level, people won't care that you are trying to solve a nationwide housing shortage, they will hear that you are trying to take away their pitches and clubs.

    If it's pitched as solely based on golf clubs i.e. to cock a snook at the perceived posh people who play golf, be careful. Lots of working class people play golf/pitch and put and they like going to the local club in walking distance. They will see your attempt at anti-elitism to be even more elitest, as only those with cars will be able to play golf in future.
    - People on the dole for more than 4 months must register 10 hours of community/charity service per week to continue being paid.

    Tons of problems with this. If someone works for a charity, they will see their job being threatened by this; people don't like the idea of enforced work, you will be accused of trying to set up work houses; the problem with social welfare isn't that people don't do community work, it's that there aren't enough suitable jobs and it costs too much in general; etc etc.
    - Scrap motor tax, add a couple of cents to petrol. The bigger the road user, the more you pay.

    Haven't the current government already floated this idea?
    - Make Irish non-compulsory in schools and make other languages available earlier.

    This is Ireland so we should learn Irish.
    - Increase cycle lanes here, there and everywhere.

    Fine, as long as it is not done by blocking road lanes or footpaths, which is what most people think will happen when you promise more cycle lanes.
    - Increased taxes on empty properties to stop hoarding.

    Seems fine to me, but I don't own any empty properties.
    - Decriminalise drugs, legalize weed.

    It reads like this is thrown in at the end as an afterthought, whereas in reality it is a massive policy position compare to the others which are fairly standard manifesto promises. I agree that decriminalising drugs could be to the benefit of the country at large and there is much academic literature on it. But it is politically toxic because there are few votes in favour of it, but a lot against. If you knock on the door of someone who had a relative with serious drug problems or died as a result of drugs, they will get angry and upset at the suggestion of legalistation. Similarly, if you call around to a family with children, they won't think of the benefits to society at large, they will think that you are going to put their child in harms way.

    So decriminalisation of drugs as a stand alone policy is not a particularly popular idea.

    Ultimately, all of these are different issues or ideas rather than a particular platform. People want to understand in simple terms how a politician would deal with all issues that come up.

    For example, the people who vote for Paul Murphy don't know or care what his specific proposals on income tax are. They are aware that in general he is in favour of reducing tax at the lower end and increasing tax at the upper end. They know he is in favour of more public spending and has no time for private corporations or enterprise. This is all encapuslated in his socialist platform. By contrast, when people vote for the local FF/FG candidate, they know they are going to get something that is not based on ideology, but is based on practicality and compromise. They don't need to know what a FF candidate's policies are, as they know that if in government they will take the path of least resistance and do what is the most popular and least controversial thing.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 286 ✭✭ abcabc123123


    al87987 wrote: »
    I have always wanted to run for office. Training as an accountant now but would love to do it at some point.
    Why?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭ maynooth_rules


    Abolish at least half of all golf courses inside the M50
    Stopped there. Jesus wept


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,831 ✭✭✭✭ Riskymove


    amcalester wrote: »
    Nah, we only vote for teachers not accountants.

    our most (in)famous politician was an accountant!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭ James Brown


    Riskymove wrote: »
    our most (in)famous politician was an accountant!!

    From the same institution Ian Paisley got his doctorate?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,831 ✭✭✭ blackwhite


    Riskymove wrote: »
    our most (in)famous politician was an accountant!!

    No he wasn’t - he just liked the pretend he was.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 13,618 Mod ✭✭✭✭ marno21


    I don't play golf so I don't have a horse in this race, but I'd be interested to see the source of this statistic and how much of that is golf courses, and how many of those courses are on viable construction land.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/david-mcwilliams-want-to-find-the-cause-of-the-housing-crisis-look-in-the-mirror-1.3691259
    All over Ireland, Bananaism is evident and it is slowing progress because it is limiting zones of development. For example, in Dublin, within the M50 where we should be building, 47 per cent of the total space is grass – either parks or back gardens. The Banana Republicans want to keep it that way; the rest need it to be developed to reduce house prices, reduce rents and make better and fairer use of public investment.

    Personally, there is no need to be CPOing golf courses. Plenty of brownfield sites either not being utilised or being utilised at an inappropriate density for their location. Also putting in high capacity, useful transit links which eventually form a network is important here too but that takes time.


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭ FreudianSlippers


    marno21 wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/david-mcwilliams-want-to-find-the-cause-of-the-housing-crisis-look-in-the-mirror-1.3691259



    Personally, there is no need to be CPOing golf courses. Plenty of brownfield sites either not being utilised or being utilised at an inappropriate density for their location. Also putting in high capacity, useful transit links which eventually form a network is important here too but that takes time.
    That doesn't really answer my question though in response to the claim that this is all golf courses.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,352 ✭✭✭ micosoft


    al87987 wrote: »
    I have always wanted to run for office. Training as an accountant now but would love to do it at some point.
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    Just a few ideas to help improve this country, feel free to disagree with any.

    I just want to know would people out there respond well to these types of policies.

    So the fundamental issue is that these are not policies. Policies are documents that outline WHY you would do something and the thinking behind it along (if well written) the potential negative implications for the policy. In many cases they are presented as a draft before gaining consensus or feedback. All you have done is list a set of positions with no thought at all behind them. Most of the other posters did not even really have to think to hard to dismiss them.
    So perhaps have a look at the Government site on Green or White papers to show what is involved...


  • Registered Users Posts: 77 ✭✭ Fuddyduddy


    People on the dole for more than 4 months must register 10 hours of community/charity service per week to continue being paid.

    Agree with the sentiment.
    Scrap motor tax, add a couple of cents to petrol. The bigger the road user, the more you pay.

    Agreed. Although tax on fuel is already too high. But this makes more sense and fairer than flat road tax.
    Make Irish non-compulsory in schools and make other languages available earlier.

    I would have agreed in the past, but I believe we are starting to lose our identity/sense of heritage. I think it should be mandatory up until the Junior Cert at the least; and then let students decide whether or not Irish will benefit them after secondary school
    Increase cycle lanes here, there and everywhere.

    Only if there is enough money to do so.
    Increased taxes on empty properties to stop hoarding.

    Disagree. I strongly believe in the right of ownership. If people decide to dump their hard-earned money into a property, it is their choice to do so. Do you believe people should be forced to save their money in banks instead? It's their money after all.

    People tend to "hoard" property when property prices are increasing at a steady rate for the foreseeable future or when they distrust banks. A lot of people who invest money generally want to see a more immediate return rather than having their money tied up in property not generating any revenue.

    Incentivise property owners to rent out their properties, rather than do the opposite with unappealing rental policies.

    Make it easier for people to obtain planning permission to build houses for themselves. Any property owned by government should be put on the market immediately to bring prices back down.
    Decriminalise drugs, legalize weed.

    Agreed.


    Not enough information given on more important issues to decide whether I would vote for you or not.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭ mikemac2


    You have jumped forward 20 years OP, getting way ahead of yourself.

    You live in Dublin. Write up a list of what you would like to do when you are on the council.

    Even if it’s the most amazing list you will likely fail a few times before getting elected. It’s normal, sure even CJ Haughey failed at a few elections


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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,720 ✭✭✭✭ Donald Trump


    al87987 wrote: »
    I have always wanted to run for office. Training as an accountant now but would love to do it at some point.


    Here are just a few of my policies, would you vote for me?

    - Abolish at least half of all golf courses inside the M50, buy the land back at market price and build 1/2 bedroom apartment complexes to ease housing problems.

    - People on the dole for more than 4 months must register 10 hours of community/charity service per week to continue being paid.

    - Scrap motor tax, add a couple of cents to petrol. The bigger the road user, the more you pay.

    - Make Irish non-compulsory in schools and make other languages available earlier.

    - Increase cycle lanes here, there and everywhere.

    - Increased taxes on empty properties to stop hoarding.

    - Decriminalise drugs, legalize weed.



    Just a few ideas to help improve this country, feel free to disagree with any.

    I just want to know would people out there respond well to these types of policies.




    You forgot to add:
    - No more homework ever again

    - unlimited ice-cream and sweets for everyone


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