dole after working in the uk

oceancat

Hi,

I have been working at sea for a uk company for the last 5 years, i don't live in the uk as i work 28 days on 28 days off on my month off they fly me back to ireland,

Now theres a chance i may be layed off, will i be entitled to get unemployment benefit? all tax was payed in the uk while i work there.


Thanks.

katiek102010

There is no reason why you shouldn’t

splinter65

oceancat wrote: »

Hi,

I have been working at sea for a uk company for the last 5 years, i don't live in the uk as i work 28 days on 28 days off on my month off they fly me back to ireland,

Now theres a chance i may be layed off, will i be entitled to get unemployment benefit? all tax was payed in the uk while i work there.


Thanks.

If you paid your national insurance in the UK then you will be entitled to Jobseekers Benefit in the UK and you won’t be entitled to anything here.
Once you’ve been receiving your Jobseekers for 1 month in the UK then you can ask them to transfer it to here and it will be paid to you here for a further 78 days.

splinter65

katiek102010 wrote: »

There is no reason why you shouldn’t

Why do you say that? His social insurance contributions were made in the UK, not here.

troyzer

Actually, on this vein.

In 2015 I finished university here in Ireland. Then I did my Masters in the UK. After finishing that, I moved to Australia in February 2017 and worked there until September 2017. Then I worked in the North from September to June 2018. I've been working in the Republic ever since but this was my first formal job.

My contract is up in May and it won't be extended, am I shafted if there's a gap between this and my next job?

splinter65

troyzer wrote: »

Actually, on this vein.

In 2015 I finished university here in Ireland. Then I did my Masters in the UK. After finishing that, I moved to Australia in February 2017 and worked there until September 2017. Then I worked in the North from September to June 2018. I've been working in the Republic ever since but this was my first formal job.

My contract is up in May and it won't be extended, am I shafted if there's a gap between this and my next job?

You won’t have any entitlement to Jobseekers Benefit as you don’t have sufficient or correct PRSI but you can ask to be means tested for Jobseekers Allowance.
What do you mean “shafted”?

troyzer

splinter65 wrote: »

You won’t have any entitlement to Jobseekers Benefit as you don’t have sufficient or correct PRSI but you can ask to be means tested for Jobseekers Allowance.
What do you mean “shafted”?

I knew I wouldn't be able to get JB. But someone was telling me that when they assess you for JA, they take into account your circumstances from two years previously. When I was in Australia.

I wonder if they'll claim I'm not eligible as a result for JA. In which case I'd be shafted.

splinter65

troyzer wrote: »

I knew I wouldn't be able to get JB. But someone was telling me that when they assess you for JA, they take into account your circumstances from two years previously. When I was in Australia.

I wonder if they'll claim I'm not eligible as a result for JA. In which case I'd be shafted.

Shafted means unfair? We have the Habitual Residence Condition here which everyone applying for Allowance must fulfill. It means that you won’t get a payment unless you’re living permanently in Ireland. That’s common sense really and not unfair at all. If you can prove that your living permanently in Ireland then you won’t have a problem.

troyzer

splinter65 wrote: »

Shafted means unfair? We have the Habitual Residence Condition here which everyone applying for Allowance must fulfill. It means that you won’t get a payment unless you’re living permanently in Ireland. That’s common sense really and not unfair at all. If you can prove that your living permanently in Ireland then you won’t have a problem.

I mean shafted in the sense that I lived here for the first 23 years of my life, studied abroad for a year, worked abroad for six months and then was actually living in the Republic but working in the North and yet there's a chance I'm not eligible for JA.

Hopefully it won't become an issue and I just get a job before I need to start looking at the dole.

katiek102010

splinter65 wrote: »

Why do you say that? His social insurance contributions were made in the UK, not here.

We moved home after my husband lost his job in the Uk and he was able to claim here. He only signed on for a month prior to getting a job.

There is an agreement between the EU on benefit entitlements being transferable

oceancat

splinter65 wrote: »

If you paid your national insurance in the UK then you will be entitled to Jobseekers Benefit in the UK and you won’t be entitled to anything here.
Once you’ve been receiving your Jobseekers for 1 month in the UK then you can ask them to transfer it to here and it will be paid to you here for a further 78 days.

How will this work when i don't have an address in the uk? i basically don't spend any time there just at crew change day, when/if i get layed off ill be just coming straight home to ireland where i have lived all my life, i don't even have a uk bank account as my salary is payed into an irish account, surely there is some agreement between the 2 country's for cases like this.

Anyway i'll give citizens advice a phone to see where i stand.

Cheers.

splinter65

troyzer wrote: »

I mean shafted in the sense that I lived here for the first 23 years of my life, studied abroad for a year, worked abroad for six months and then was actually living in the Republic but working in the North and yet there's a chance I'm not eligible for JA.

Hopefully it won't become an issue and I just get a job before I need to start looking at the dole.

But being Irish doesn’t mean that you would have any more entitlement to a payment then any other nationality. You also will be means tested against your parents income if your living with them.

splinter65

katiek102010 wrote: »

We moved home after my husband lost his job in the Uk and he was able to claim here. He only signed on for a month prior to getting a job.

There is an agreement between the EU on benefit entitlements being transferable

Yes I explained that and how it works in a previous post on this thread.

troyzer

splinter65 wrote: »

troyzer wrote: »

I mean shafted in the sense that I lived here for the first 23 years of my life, studied abroad for a year, worked abroad for six months and then was actually living in the Republic but working in the North and yet there's a chance I'm not eligible for JA.

Hopefully it won't become an issue and I just get a job before I need to start looking at the dole.

But being Irish doesn’t mean that you would have any more entitlement to a payment then any other nationality. You also will be means tested against your parents income if your living with them.

I was under the impression that means testing your parents only mattered if you were under 25?

splinter65

oceancat wrote: »

How will this work when i don't have an address in the uk? i basically don't spend any time there just at crew change day, when/if i get layed off ill be just coming straight home to ireland where i have lived all my life, i don't even have a uk bank account as my salary is payed into an irish account, surely there is some agreement between the 2 country's for cases like this.

Anyway i'll give citizens advice a phone to see where i stand.

Cheers.

SW are not interested in your not having an address in the UK. If you come here and apply for Jobseekers Benefit then they will see from your PRSI record that you don’t have the PRSI contributions to be eligible for Jobseekers Benefit here. So you won’t get it. The “agreement” is as I said already. In the EU (UK are leaving the EU in 9 weeks) if you are getting Benefit in the country that owes it to you ( in your case the UK) for 1 month (see another poster above) then you can go to another EU country and get it paid to you there.
If you come back here and work even one week and get even one PRSI contribution here then you can use your UK contributions to claim JSB here.

splinter65

troyzer wrote: »

I was under the impression that means testing your parents only mattered if you were under 25?

Sorry I read you as being 23 now. My mistake.

troyzer

splinter65 wrote: »

troyzer wrote: »

I was under the impression that means testing your parents only mattered if you were under 25?

Sorry I read you as being 23 now. My mistake.

No problem.

I just read the website and it makes no mention of assessing your means based on two years previously.

I also shouldn't have much issue proving habitual residence based on the website.

oceancat

splinter65 wrote: »

SW are not interested in your not having an address in the UK. If you come here and apply for Jobseekers Benefit then they will see from your PRSI record that you don’t have the PRSI contributions to be eligible for Jobseekers Benefit here. So you won’t get it. The “agreement” is as I said already. In the EU (UK are leaving the EU in 9 weeks) if you are getting Benefit in the country that owes it to you ( in your case the UK) for 1 month (see another poster above) then you can go to another EU country and get it paid to you there.
If you come back here and work even one week and get even one PRSI contribution here then you can use your UK contributions to claim JSB here.

well if i don't get jobseekers benefit i'll be applying for jobseekers Allowance the means tested one, i have worked in ireland previously for 15 years, time to start clearing out my bank account i'm thinking

one way or another i'll get it even if i have to go in there every day and hound them

splinter65

troyzer wrote: »

No problem.

I just read the website and it makes no mention of assessing your means based on two years previously.

I also shouldn't have much issue proving habitual residence based on the website.

As long as you have severed all your ties with the uk and have proof of that you’ll be fine.

splinter65

oceancat wrote: »

well if i don't get jobseekers benefit i'll be applying for jobseekers Allowance the means tested one, i have worked in ireland previously for 15 years, time to start clearing out my bank account i'm thinking

one way or another i'll get it even if i have to go in there every day and hound them

They’ll be looking for 6 months of bank statements so don’t move money if you can’t explain what you did with it.
I’m afraid your attitude is going to hinder you getting your entitlements if you have any.
“Hounding” staff wont go well for you. What will go well is being professional and co operative and treating others with respect. In 16 years I have yet to see “hounding” ending well.

Maxx355

You used to be able to get employment benefit here if you worked in the UK, paid your dues there etc, as far as i can remember you had to pay one or two contributions here and then you could link the two..that was late 80s

LegacyUser

splinter65 wrote: »

They’ll be looking for 6 months of bank statements so don’t move money if you can’t explain what you did with it.
I’m afraid your attitude is going to hinder you getting your entitlements if you have any.
“Hounding” staff wont go well for you. What will go well is being professional and co operative and treating others with respect. In 16 years I have yet to see “hounding” ending well.

in 16 years have you ever heard of a frontier worker?

Taken from Jobseekers Benefit Operational Guidelines:
(h) Frontier Workers - Article 65 Cases

Article 65 of the regulations refers to a separate class of workers called `frontier workers'. Article 1(f) defines a frontier worker as any employed or self-employed person who works in the territory of a Member State and lives in the territory of another Member State to which s/he returns as a rule daily or at least once a week.

Article 65 provides that where such a worker becomes partially unemployed (e.g. part-time workers), the state in which that person is normally employed is responsible for paying Jobseeker's Benefit. However, where a frontier worker becomes fully unemployed, the state in which s/he is resident will be responsible for paying the benefit.

A frontier worker who resides in Ireland does not require any Irish contribution to qualify under Irish legislation if s/he becomes fully unemployed.

Enquiries regarding the identification and processing of claims from frontier workers should be directed to EU Records section.




Oceancat, while you don't exactly meet the criteria of a frontier worker, you are pretty close so I would suggest making your claim based on you being a frontier worker. EU Records Section can make the decision on whether you qualify or not.

oceancat

stateBenefits wrote: »

in 16 years have you ever heard of a frontier worker?

Taken from Jobseekers Benefit Operational Guidelines:
(h) Frontier Workers - Article 65 Cases

Article 65 of the regulations refers to a separate class of workers called `frontier workers'. Article 1(f) defines a frontier worker as any employed or self-employed person who works in the territory of a Member State and lives in the territory of another Member State to which s/he returns as a rule daily or at least once a week.

Article 65 provides that where such a worker becomes partially unemployed (e.g. part-time workers), the state in which that person is normally employed is responsible for paying Jobseeker's Benefit. However, where a frontier worker becomes fully unemployed, the state in which s/he is resident will be responsible for paying the benefit.

A frontier worker who resides in Ireland does not require any Irish contribution to qualify under Irish legislation if s/he becomes fully unemployed.

Enquiries regarding the identification and processing of claims from frontier workers should be directed to EU Records section.




Oceancat, while you don't exactly meet the criteria of a frontier worker, you are pretty close so I would suggest making your claim based on you being a frontier worker. EU Records Section can make the decision on whether you qualify or not.

Cheers for that, i have called citizens advice and they have told me more or less the same thing so that's what i'll be doing if it happens,

Hopefully it won't happen and the job carries on but just wanted to see where i stand.

Cheers.

bulldozer1

Ive recently moved back here after a few years working in UK. Is it true you have to work here first before you can link them?