Electric Peugeot 208/Opel Corsa coming

rivegauche

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/peugeot/208/95498/new-2019-peugeot-208-spied-again-during-winter-testing

These will be interesting cars.
The greatest advantage that the Renault Zoe has at the moment is that it runs down the same production line as the Clio. There are huge economies of scale coming from this.

The Electric 208 and Corsa will not only run down the same production line as the petrol cars they will also have the exact same bodies as the petrol cars.
A factory will be producing over 300,000 units each year and a large proportion of them will be EVs.
They should comfortably undercut the VW ID on price.

For people not on PCP or Lease forced to upgrade their current conventional car now I'd probably recommend waiting to see what is coming from VAG, Honda, PSA, Renault in the next year to 18 months.

unkel

I'd say there's a huge market for cheap EV superminis in Europe. Unfortunately nothing much EV happening this year.

2020 will be the year of the EV though :cool:

rivegauche

unkel wrote: »

Unfortunately nothing much EV happening this year.

Speak for yourself. My 40kW Zoe Bose is being shipped to me.

Markcheese

I think there's a new model zoe coming in either end of 19 or early 20,
But the expensive bit at the moment is batteries, everybody wants them...

rivegauche

My lease is only two years. My choice will be much greater in 2021.

unkel

rivegauche wrote: »

Speak for yourself. My 40kW Zoe Bose is being shipped to me.

LOL, I'm glad for ya and I'm sure you'll love it. Still remain that for the Irish market as a whole nothing is happening this year except the eNiro that you will probably be able to get on a 192 plate

slave1

unkel wrote: »

I'd say there's a huge market for cheap EV superminis in Europe. Unfortunately nothing much EV happening this year.

2020 will be the year of the EV though :cool:

Leaf 62, Model 3, Niro, Kona....

I know you’ll say supply but will that be any different with new cars in 2020...or 2021

unkel

slave1 wrote: »

Leaf 62, Model 3, Niro, Kona....

Kona was last year, I mentioned eNiro was 192, but L60, Tesla Model 3 and Neo are all 2020...

unkel

unkel wrote: »

Kona was last year, I mentioned eNiro was 192, but L60, Tesla Model 3 and Neo are all 2020...

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/01/09/nissan-leaf-e-60kwh-battery-was-it-worth-the-wait/

After many delays and years of waiting that would flush Tesla’s cheeks in embarrassment, the 60kWh Nissan LEAF (“LEAF 2,” or “LEAF 3.ZERO” in the UK) is starting production. The planning is this month for Japan, sometime in the spring for North America, and during the summer for those waiting on the old continent and in the UK and Ireland.

unkel

Deleted User wrote: »

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/01/09/nissan-leaf-e-60kwh-battery-was-it-worth-the-wait/

After many delays and years of waiting that would flush Tesla’s cheeks in embarrassment, the 60kWh Nissan LEAF (“LEAF 2,” or “LEAF 3.ZERO” in the UK) is starting production. The planning is this month for Japan, sometime in the spring for North America, and during the summer for those waiting on the old continent and in the UK and Ireland.

Yeah?

Do you seriously expect someone will get a L62 on 192 Irish plates? I don't.

liamog

unkel wrote: »

Yeah?

Do you seriously expect someone will get a L62 on 192 Irish plates? I don't.

They'll likely be at least one. Thierry is going to jump on his new hatch and will pay all the monies.

KCross

unkel wrote: »

Do you seriously expect someone will get a L62 on 192 Irish plates? I don't.

Nissan UK are saying it will be available this summer and they've confirmed pricing for the limited edition. I doubt they would do that if it wasnt going to be available for 12 months.

No reason why Nissan Ireland wouldnt be on the same timeline... they have been in the past.

Round Cable

unkel wrote: »

Yeah?

Do you seriously expect someone will get a L62 on 192 Irish plates? I don't.

Apparently available from July, but only 5,000 units allocated for Europe.

KCross

Round Cable wrote: »

Apparently available from July, but only 5,000 units allocated for Europe.

My interpretation of their wording around the 5000 is that there will only be 5000 of the 3.Zero limited edition models.

That doesnt mean there will only be 5000 L62's. Its only 5000 of the limited edition.

Once they sell those limited editions they will open the order books for the usual SV, SVE trims.

They did the same last year with the 2.Zero limited edition.

How many Ireland get and the pricing etc is still unknown.


This is their wording...

The new Nissan LEAF e+ 3.ZERO Limited Edition will also be available to order from January 9 across European markets. This limited edition – of which only 5,000 units will be produced for Europe – will feature a higher output capable of delivering 160 kW (217 PS) and longer range capabilities with expected driving range of up to 385 km* from a single charge.

Round Cable

KCross wrote: »

My interpretation of their wording around the 5000 is that there will only be 5000 of the 3.Zero limited edition models.

That doesnt mean there will only be 5000 L62's. Its only 5000 of the limited edition.

Once they sell those limited editions they will open the order books for the usual SV, SVE trims.

They did the same last year with the 2.Zero limited edition.

How many Ireland get and the pricing etc is still unknown.


This is their wording...

The new Nissan LEAF e+ 3.ZERO Limited Edition will also be available to order from January 9 across European markets. This limited edition – of which only 5,000 units will be produced for Europe – will feature a higher output capable of delivering 160 kW (217 PS) and longer range capabilities with expected driving range of up to 385 km* from a single charge.

Could be alright, the 2.Zero sold out pretty quick the last time too.

unkel

Round Cable wrote: »

Apparently available from July

Well, we'll have to see but I doubt we'll see any on 192 plates. For the sake of people picking up their brand new L40 this month, many of them having paid >€30k for it

A faster, more powerful Leaf with a 55% bigger battery available in 6 months time for presumably no more than about €33-€34k after our €10k incentives is a bit of a nightmare

Round Cable

unkel wrote: »

A faster, more powerful Leaf with a 55% bigger battery available in 6 months time for presumably no more than about €33-€34k after our €10k incentives is a bit of a nightmare

To be honest I doubt it'll be that cheap, OTR the L40 SV is €30k, L62 SV is likely to be €36k.

Now is €6k extra good value for 22kWh more battery, 50kW more powerful motor, quicker DC fast charging, quicker AC charging, some form of active battery cooling, bigger and better navigation touchscreen? Well that's up to the individual.

KCross

unkel wrote: »

Well, we'll have to see but I doubt we'll see any on 192 plates. For the sake of people picking up their brand new L40 this month, many of them having paid >€30k for it

A faster, more powerful Leaf with a 55% bigger battery available in 6 months time for presumably no more than about €33-€34k after our €10k incentives is a bit of a nightmare

Bear in mind the limited edition is akin to the SVE which is €33k for an L40. The L62 is going to be at least €5k more. Existing customers taking an L40 this month wont get stung.

Comparison to the official UK price (after grant) of the limited edition so a true apples to apples comparison:
40kWh: £31,095
62kWh: £37,105

A £6k difference for the exact same car except the increased battery capacity. Crazy money but that seems to be the way all EV's are going.... Kona, Niro, iPace etc!

KCross

Round Cable wrote: »

Could be alright, the 2.Zero sold out pretty quick the last time too.

5000 is nothing really across all of Europe. Norway and Netherlands would take a big chunk of those on their own.

sonyvision

Having owed my current 1.5 tdi 2010 for 6.5 years it's coming time to upgrade. Current fuel cost is 4.5l per 100k which is very good.

So interested in EVs I don't want to spend 30k or there abouts but as soon as I can get 175km range per charge and car bought for less then 20k I will be upgrading. A 208 might be a bit small for me but I had a clio befor and really miss it!! Looking forward to the next 24 months of EVs

Just need my little TDI to hang on a few years 😀

unkel

KCross wrote: »

Bear in mind the limited edition is akin to the SVE which is €33k for an L40. The L62 is going to be at least €5k more.

€38k for a Leaf in Ireland when you can get Kona / eNiro with far more range, that can charge twice as fast? And will have Ionity? Not sure if a lot of people could be pushed that far.

All of the above are too much money anyway if you ask me. I'd even go ICE / bangernomics or something for the year myself to see what's happening (Neo / base Model 3, something else?) before I would fork out the guts of forty grand on a car that's not worth it imho

unkel

sonyvision wrote: »

as soon as I can get 175km range per charge and car bought for less then 20k I will be upgrading.

You're getting close. Might be before the end of the year that a second hand L40 / Ioniq will hit €20k.

KCross

unkel wrote: »

€38k for a Leaf in Ireland when you can get Kona / eNiro with far more range, that can charge twice as fast? And will have Ionity? Not sure if a lot of people could be pushed that far.

All of the above are too much money anyway if you ask me. I'd even go ICE / bangernomics or something for the year myself to see what's happening (Neo / base Model 3, something else?) before I would fork out the guts of forty grand on a car that's not worth it imho

I can only agree!

To buy a 6xkWh car is going to be big money for many years to come and will only make sense for people who want/need long distance or cant home charge on a regular basis and you will pay big for that privilege. I cant see that changing anytime soon... VW Neo is the only hope for stirring the market now.

KCross

rivegauche wrote: »

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/peugeot/208/95498/new-2019-peugeot-208-spied-again-during-winter-testing

These will be interesting cars.
The greatest advantage that the Renault Zoe has at the moment is that it runs down the same production line as the Clio. There are huge economies of scale coming from this.

The Electric 208 and Corsa will not only run down the same production line as the petrol cars they will also have the exact same bodies as the petrol cars.
A factory will be producing over 300,000 units each year and a large proportion of them will be EVs.
They should comfortably undercut the VW ID on price.

A 208 EV would sell very well.
Undercutting the ID will depend on their battery supply. Have they secured decent volume and a good price? Who knows.

They did announce that they would be rolling out some EV's and PHEV's in 2019 so it will be interesting to see what they have to offer. The more competition the better as the pricing for current EV's so far is shocking.