Vet calling to farm

tabby aspreme

The Vet called earlier too see was it ok to take a look at the farm today, I'm not around but told her to work away, she said the visit was needed for her to prescribe medicines, what exactly are they looking for on the visit.

kk.man

They have to do a farm visit every year under Dept rules. I had to change my testing vet to my animal meds vet because he got no call outs. If you are pure drystock this can be tricky because he/she have no visits clocked up.
They must see if animals are in good health etc and facilities are up to scratch etc.

whelan2

Do you have to pay for this visit?

kk.man

whelan2 wrote: »

Do you have to pay for this visit?

No because He got the cattle testing job..otherwise I don't know

alps

There is worse on the way. Spotted somewhere recently, but have no confirmation, that if a vet is to give you a prescription he must have been in your farm in the past 30 days.

Gonna be a costly one, as mastitis tubes and many vaccines are all POM, and are regularly purchased outside of vet call times of the year...

tanko

alps wrote: »

There is worse on the way. Spotted somewhere recently, but have no confirmation, that if a vet is to give you a prescription he must have been in your farm in the past 30 days.

Gonna be a costly one, as mastitis tubes and many vaccines are all POM, and are regularly purchased outside of vet call times of the year...

Would this apply to antibiotics like Betamox, Alamycin etc?

Wesser

Surely not seeing the animal and assessing the animal. would lead to.over prescription if antibiotics and therefore development of resistant bacteria?

Over prescription of antibiotics and the resultant development of bacteria resistance is the biggest health threat of our times.

Base price

alps wrote: »

There is worse on the way. Spotted somewhere recently, but have no confirmation, that if a vet is to give you a prescription he must have been in your farm in the past 30 days.

Gonna be a costly one, as mastitis tubes and many vaccines are all POM, and are regularly purchased outside of vet call times of the year...

Here is the link that I posted in chit chat. I was talking to our Vet last night and she phoned both the Veterinary council and DAFM. DAFM confirmed that regulations have not changed regarding POM medicines.
https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/veterinary-council-clamps-down-on-helicopter-vets/

grassroot1

Wesser wrote: »

Surely not seeing the animal and assessing the animal. would lead to.over prescription if antibiotics and therefore development of resistant bacteria?

Over prescription of antibiotics and the resultant development of bacteria resistance is the biggest health threat of our times.

wow that's very insightful, us thick farmers would never have thought of antibiotic resistance. Luckily for us the VCI are all over this issue.
Maybe we should farm like the Kiwi's and shoot the sick one it would save on the vet anyway

greysides

Resistance, anti-resistance measures and the withdrawal of key antibiotics are going to have a major influence on work practices in the immediate and near future.
I don't think I can source the only treatment medicine for coccidiosis any more. It will have to be prevented. I wonder how long will it take for that to be happen as it will involve changes in how things are done. By then there may be resistance to the drugs used for prevention.
Some of the drugs used to treat pneumonia seem to be under treat too.

alps

greysides wrote: »

Resistance, anti-resistance measures and the withdrawal of key antibiotics are going to have a major influence on work practices in the immediate and near future.
I don't think I can source the only treatment medicine for coccidiosis any more. It will have to be prevented. I wonder how long will it take for that to be happen as it will involve changes in how things are done. By then there may be resistance to the drugs used for prevention.
Some of the drugs used to treat pneumonia seem to be under treat too.

Agree fully greysides, but I can't see the necessity of a vet having seen the herd within the previous 30 days to prescribe dry cow tubes or IBR vaccine. Hopefully this story may not have a basis..

greysides

alps wrote: »

Agree fully greysides, but I can't see the necessity of a vet having seen the herd within the previous 30 days to prescribe dry cow tubes or IBR vaccine. Hopefully this story may not have a basis..

A copy of my post from the Chit Chat thread:

Base price wrote: »

* This is important to farmers where their Veterinary practice is not located on their doorstep. The Veterinary Council now requires Vets to visit our farms every 30 days to comply with their requirements.
Today I came across this via a friends FB page
https://www.farmersjournal.ie/donegal-farmer-loses-vet-service-430026

I previously read this article early in November - https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/veterinary-council-clamps-down-on-helicopter-vets/ - as an aside agriland misspelled the Presidents name
I don't want to rattle anyone's cages but there is a big difference between "code of conduct" and the law of the land, see - https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/animalhealthwelfare/veterinarymedicinesresidues/informationforfarmersaboutanimalremedies/prescriptionmedicinespom/

Reading between the lines I think the change is in response to a particular case that went through the courts in the past 2 years and that not much change to current practices is likely. Maybe some bit of curtailing at the extreme end but it seems mainly set to prevent the legal supply of vast quantities of medicine without being the farms actual day-to-day vet.

I may have more info in a week after a meeting.

greysides

Alps, I expect you're aware that the future of blanket DCT is looking very dodgy. Never saw the need for a prescription for vaccines myself..

alps

greysides wrote: »

Alps, I expect you're aware that the future of blanket DCT is looking very dodgy. Never saw the need for a prescription for vaccines myself..

I'm aware of future possibilities for sure, however currently, for an existing client, would you need to have seen his herd in the past 30 days, to ensure confidence in prescribing DCT?

Westernrock

alps wrote: »

I'm aware of future possibilities for sure, however currently, for an existing client, would you need to have seen his herd in the past 30 days, to ensure confidence in prescribing DCT?

I wonder would bulk tank and high cell count cultures and sensitivity be a way around the visit, would certainly be more useful in terms of deciding best tubes to prescribe etc.

greysides

alps wrote: »

I'm aware of future possibilities for sure, however currently, for an existing client, would you need to have seen his herd in the past 30 days, to ensure confidence in prescribing DCT?

The changes, as I see them from the links BP provided, are minimal. The clients I prescribe for I am familiar with and their systems so I have no concerns. It's also quite likely I would have there reasonably recently even if not within 30 days. They are bona fidae clients and I'm not just flogging drugs to them. That's the difference.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Westernrock wrote: »

I wonder would bulk tank and high cell count cultures and sensitivity be a way around the visit, would certainly be more useful in terms of deciding best tubes to prescribe etc.

I get my DCT from the Co-op vet and I would take samples regularly from cows with high SCCs to decide the best treatment.



So I imagine I would be covered for both my own vet and the Co-op vet as the correct mast tube and DCT would be known?

Gawddawggonnit

That system is in place with nearly two years with us.
Vet must call for any Pom to be dealt out.
We’ve actually saved on medication and only treat cows with dct when needed.
About 75% or more get no dct or sealers.

Vet call-out is €27.

wrangler

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

That system is in place with nearly two years with us.
Vet must call for any Pom to be dealt out.
We’ve actually saved on medication and only treat cows with dct when needed.
About 75% or more get no dct or sealers.

Vet call-out is €27.

Parents are demanding antibiotics for childrens colds on this side of the water,
Not much point in farmers being coscientious with that going on

Westernrock

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

I get my DCT from the Co-op vet and I would take samples regularly from cows with high SCCs to decide the best treatment.



So I imagine I would be covered for both my own vet and the Co-op vet as the correct mast tube and DCT would be known?

Co-op vet, that’s an interesting term 😂 which one gets the results of samples?
Samples is definitely the way to go and you probably have a good argument as to being better (covered/compliant) than someone who has the visits but hasn’t had any samples done.
Most of the limitations on high end antibiotics will mean they are only available for use once testing shows they are necessary and other antibiotics won’t be effective.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Westernrock wrote: »

Co-op vet, that’s an interesting term �� which one gets the results of samples?
Samples is definitely the way to go and you probably have a good argument as to being better (covered/compliant) than someone who has the visits but hasn’t had any samples done.
Most of the limitations on high end antibiotics will mean they are only available for use once testing shows they are necessary and other antibiotics won’t be effective.

The Co-op vet gets them same time as me by email/app and I forward onto my own vet.


I suppose Co-op vet mightn't be the right term, contracted vet might be more accurate.