Driving in Australia [points on licence]

Littlecar

Quick question ... if one gets demerit points in Australia when on working visa with full Irish licence.. will the points go on Irish licence on renewing Irish licence in Ireland

Tacitus Kilgore

No

Littlecar

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

No

Thanks .. I will be putting another category that I earned in Australia on to Irish licence..

Littlecar

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

No

Thanks .. I will be putting another category that I earned in Australia on to Irish licence..

Tacitus Kilgore

Littlecar wrote: »

Thanks .. I will be putting another category that I earned in Australia on to Irish licence..

You'll be right mate, points don't transfer.

Littlecar

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

No

Thanks .. I will be putting another category that I earned in Australia on to Irish licence..

Henry Ford III

Might potentially have an effect on insurance though.

whomitconcerns

Littlecar wrote: »

Thanks .. I will be putting another category that I earned in Australia on to Irish licence..

Don't know of that would be possible either?

Tacitus Kilgore

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Might potentially have an effect on insurance though.

How so?

whomitconcerns wrote: »

Don't know of that would be possible either?

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/motoring_1/driver_licensing/exchanging_foreign_driving_permit.html

Sure is.

whomitconcerns

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

How so?



http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/motoring_1/driver_licensing/exchanging_foreign_driving_permit.html

Sure is.

But what op is saying is that they added a category to their Irish licence while they were in Australia. How would that work in the first place, and how could the Irish government adapt their own document based on a foreign recommendation to their own document? Doesn't make sense?

Tacitus Kilgore

whomitconcerns wrote: »

But what op is saying is that they added a category to their Irish licence while they were in Australia. How would that work in the first place, and how could the Irish government adapt their own document based on a foreign recommendation to their own document? Doesn't make sense?

OP is wording themselves wrong tbh -

OP went to Aus with Irish Licence
Acquired local licence based off Irish licence (swap, as such)
Added category to local licence
Now returning to Ireland with Aus licence with additional category to convert to an Irish licence

I did this exact thing, it's all good, cobber.

troyzer

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Might potentially have an effect on insurance though.

The OP is ****ed for insurance anyway.

Tacitus Kilgore

troyzer wrote: »

The OP is ****ed for insurance anyway.

Depends, the few years I was out there I kept a little dirtbox insured over in Ireland. Was very well worth the few hundred per year once I came back.

troyzer

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Depends, the few years I was out there I kept a little dirtbox insured over in Ireland. Was very well worth the few hundred per year once I came back.

Is that even legal? I know a lot of people do it but it doesn't seem like it would be valid if the insurance company knew you were out of country and without an Irish license.

Tacitus Kilgore

troyzer wrote: »

Is that even legal? I know a lot of people do it but it doesn't seem like it would be valid if the insurance company knew you were out of country and without an Irish license.

How could it possibly be illegal?


There was 0 risk to anyone regarding validity. The car was never a risk to anyone, in fact, it didn't even have running gear. Continuity of NCB was the reason it was done.


And if you're worried I acted immorally to an insurance company.. :pac:

troyzer

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

How could it possibly be illegal?


There was 0 risk to anyone regarding validity. The car was never a risk to anyone, in fact, it didn't even have running gear. Continuity of NCB was the reason it was done.


And if you're worried I acted immorally to an insurance company.. :pac:

I didn't say you were immoral. I would do the same thing.

I would have though that a valid insurance disc was predicated on you having a valid Irish license. You certainly would have given them details on your license when you got a quote.

But you probably swapped your license for an Aussie one.

Tacitus Kilgore

troyzer wrote: »

I didn't say you were immoral. I would do the same thing.

I would have though that a valid insurance disc was predicated on you having a valid Irish license. You certainly would have given them details on your license when you got a quote.

But you probably swapped your license for an Aussie one.

Nope - Irish licence remains valid, there's no requirement to surrender the Irish licence out there, they provide a local licence based on the qualifications on the Irish one, it's great.

Can also get a HGV licence in a day over there, some difference to here.

troyzer

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Nope - Irish licence remains valid, there's no requirement to surrender the Irish licence out there, they provide a local licence based on the qualifications on the Irish one, it's great.

Can also get a HGV licence in a day over there, some difference to here.

Oh right. I lived out there as well but not for long enough to need to look at a licence swap.

I know you have to swap in Canada.

Tacitus Kilgore

troyzer wrote: »

Oh right. I lived out there as well but not for long enough to need to look at a licence swap.

I know you have to swap in Canada.

Not sure on Canada, wish I knew - means I would have lived there at some point


OT but a fella I acquainted with down under from the NorthWest pulled what he called a 'master stroke'

He went to SE Asia, bought a fake Irish paper licence with all categories marked up, took this to WA, used the fake Irish licence to get an Aus licence with all categories ticked (they take the licence at face value, no DB to check) then he returned to Ireland, converted the legitimate Aus licence to a legitimate Irish licence.

Dodgy as hell, but you have to admire the enterprise of it.

troyzer

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Not sure on Canada, wish I knew - means I would have lived there at some point


OT but a fella I acquainted with down under from the NorthWest pulled what he called a 'master stroke'

He went to SE Asia, bought a fake Irish paper licence with all categories marked up, took this to WA, used the fake Irish licence to get an Aus licence with all categories ticked (they take the licence at face value, no DB to check) then he returned to Ireland, converted the legitimate Aus licence to a legitimate Irish licence.

Dodgy as hell, but you have to admire the enterprise of it.

Surely it would have been easier and cheaper just to pass the test?

Did the NLDS not look at how recently the Aus licence was issued?

Tacitus Kilgore

troyzer wrote: »

Surely it would have been easier and cheaper just to pass the test?

Did the NLDS not look at how recently the Aus licence was issued?

Christ no, he's never done a test but has full licences from Mopeds to B-doubles (Didn't get the full road train licence as you actually have to do a test for it)


He did this Pre-NDLS, and it doesn't seem anything was twigged.

troyzer

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Christ no, he's never done a test but has full licences from Mopeds to B-doubles (Didn't get the full road train licence as you actually have to do a test for it)


He did this Pre-NDLS, and it doesn't seem anything was twigged.

Fair play, that is some sneaky ****.

Tacitus Kilgore

troyzer wrote: »

Fair play, that is some sneaky ****.

I'd hate to meet him on a narrow road all the same

troyzer

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

I'd hate to meet him on a narrow road all the same

Wait, did you say he was driving road trains?

Tacitus Kilgore

troyzer wrote: »

Wait, did you say he was driving road trains?

God no, the last time I'd spoken to him he'd still never actually driven anything beyond a moped. Just enjoyed scamming the system.

whomitconcerns

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

OP is wording themselves wrong tbh -

OP went to Aus with Irish Licence
Acquired local licence based off Irish licence (swap, as such)
Added category to local licence
Now returning to Ireland with Aus licence with additional category to convert to an Irish licence

I did this exact thing, it's all good, cobber.

But by that same logic would the demerit points not carry over somehow also? Or is this really a case where the good carries over but the bad doesn't?

Tacitus Kilgore

whomitconcerns wrote: »

But by that same logic would the demerit points not carry over somehow also? Or is this really a case where the good carries over but the bad doesn't?

Nope, because demerit points aren't recognised by Irish law. Hell they don't even transfer points from NI to ROI..

GM228

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Nope - Irish licence remains valid, there's no requirement to surrender the Irish licence out there, they provide a local licence based on the qualifications on the Irish one, it's great.

Can also get a HGV licence in a day over there, some difference to here.

This is not true, since 2006 national legislation in Australia has required state law to implement laws requiring a foreign licence is surrendered on exchange. It is however subject to an exemption when not considered reasonable, but it is also a requirement of the bi-lateral agreement between Ireland and Australia in relation to licence exchange (which is in accordance with Irish ane EU licence requirements).


With regards to recognising a category only for exchange purposes (as opposed to a complete licence exchange) mentioned previously in the thread, such a process is not possible, Irish and EU law only allow for an entire licence to be exchanged, not an individual category.

Tacitus Kilgore

GM228 wrote: »

This is not true, since 2006 national legislation in Australia has required state law to implement laws requiring a foreign licence is surrendered on exchange. It is however subject to an exemption when not considered reasonable, but it is also a requirement of the bi-lateral agreement between Ireland and Australia in relation to licence exchange (which is in accordance with Irish ane EU licence requirements).

I'm not disagreeing with you but when I got a QLD issued licence in 2013 & a another licence issued in VIC in 2015 there was no effect on my Irish licence. Just posting based on my experience. But looks like, according to the above - I got 'away with it' as such?

Del2005

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Not sure on Canada, wish I knew - means I would have lived there at some point


OT but a fella I acquainted with down under from the NorthWest pulled what he called a 'master stroke'

He went to SE Asia, bought a fake Irish paper licence with all categories marked up, took this to WA, used the fake Irish licence to get an Aus licence with all categories ticked (they take the licence at face value, no DB to check) then he returned to Ireland, converted the legitimate Aus licence to a legitimate Irish licence.

Dodgy as hell, but you have to admire the enterprise of it.

He's fine till he needs to use his insurance. Because when he does he'll be fecked.

Tacitus Kilgore

Del2005 wrote: »

He's fine till he needs to use his insurance. Because when he does he'll be fecked.

How so? Not arguing, just out of interest

Bazzy

Del2005 wrote: »

He's fine till he needs to use his insurance. Because when he does he'll be fecked.

The insurance company will take the irish issued licence at full face value they'd have no authority to go checking with NDLS / Local Authority?

Tacitus Kilgore

Bazzy wrote: »

The insurance company will take the irish issued licence at full face value they'd have no authority to go checking with NDLS / Local Authority?

Even if they did have a way to check with NDLS / local authority - they would still find nothing but a legitimately issued licence.

Del2005

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Even if they did have a way to check with NDLS / local authority - they would still find nothing but a legitimately issued licence.

IIRC insurance companies have been given access to the drivers records so they can check penalty points. They will find no record of the original licence so all subsequent licences are invalid.

They won't check when you take out the policy, as insurance is based on good faith, but they will check records when they have to payout and then he will be in trouble.

Tacitus Kilgore

Del2005 wrote: »

IIRC insurance companies have been given access to the drivers records so they can check penalty points. They will find no record of the original licence so all subsequent licences are invalid.

They won't check when you take out the policy, as insurance is based on good faith, but they will check records when they have to payout and then he will be in trouble.

The original licence in this case is the Australian licence.

The current Irish one is legit as far as anyone can ever prove.