Judgement on Ireland

harrylittle

Now that Ireland has brought in Abortion and same sex marriage is this country going to reap Gods Wrath ?

CosmicFool

If he didn't do it when the church raped young kids and burried babies then he won't do it at all

harrylittle

When individuals carried out these acts within his church those individuals probably received his wrath.

But when a country votes in laws against Gods commandments it is drawing his wrath upon the nation not just a few individuals.

ElChe32

Any minute now..

*stares at his watch*

splinter65

CosmicFool wrote: »

If he didn't do it when the church raped young kids and burried babies then he won't do it at all

What do you think the no deal Brexit is only Gods wrath? Coming your way 19th March 2019. Even the fact that it will be delivered to your front door by your ultimate nightmare, the devout Catholic Latin mass devotee old Etonian father of 6 Tory grandee Jacob Rees Mogg is practically Biblical. It’s going to be epic.

splinter65

ElChe32 wrote: »

Any minute now..

*stares at his watch*

Go to bed and get ready. 19th March is the date. Nothing you can do about it.

Sam Quentin

God loves us still and forgives us Amen

Teddy Daniels

splinter65 wrote: »

What do you think the no deal Brexit is only Gods wrath? Coming your way 19th March 2019. Even the fact that it will be delivered to your front door by your ultimate nightmare, the devout Catholic Latin mass devotee old Etonian father of 6 Tory grandee Jacob Rees Mogg is practically Biblical. It’s going to be epic.

I thought it was 29th ?

harrylittle

Brexit could be a trigger ..... bring economic collapse to the nation

splinter65

Teddy Daniels wrote: »

I thought it was 29th ?

Yes indeed. my typo. 29th. A Friday.

endacl

harrylittle wrote: »

Now that Ireland has brought in Abortion and same sex marriage is this country going to reap Gods Wrath ?

Nah. That’s Old Testament style. God’s been a hippie since JC.

Be grand.

Hotblack Desiato

harrylittle wrote: »

When individuals carried out these acts within his church those individuals probably received his wrath.

I note this wrath did nothing whatsoever to expose or even curtail their activities during their lifetimes

But when a country votes in laws against Gods commandments it is drawing his wrath upon the nation not just a few individuals.

Can you tell me where in the ten commandments is same-sex civil marriage prohibited?

antiskeptic

harrylittle wrote: »

When individuals carried out these acts within his church those individuals probably received his wrath.

At what threshold does individuals become systemic? I mean, the individuals did it, the powers that be covered it up (and we can presume the worldwide nature of it means that the powers that be at the very top are implicated.

And the man in the street was involved (in the sense of knowing what was happening and not doing a thing about it).


As for God's wrath? How would we tell - unless it's something clear like balls of fire reigning down from heaven allied with a booming voice pronouncing wrath? The country goes through "good" and "bad" times. Are we to suppose that the next bad time is God's wrath or just something of the world?

Hotblack Desiato

The man in the street did not know about the crimes of the RC church, it kept them secret for as long as it could.

sbsquarepants

harrylittle wrote: »

Brexit could be a trigger ..... bring economic collapse to the nation

I know he works in mysterious ways and all but seriously - Brexit is gods punishment on Ireland for legalising abortion :D:D

antiskeptic

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

The man in the street did not know about the crimes of the RC church, it kept them secret for as long as it could.

The violence of the priests and brothers couldn't have been but known - the man in the street went to school after all and witnessed it firsthand. I mean I went to the same school my dad did and had Taffy Locks (named thus because he picked kids up by the locks) as a teacher.

All us kids knew not to get caught alone with Father McNamee of Crumlin infame when we went to the swimming pool he'd gotten built in at his parish house.

Hotblack Desiato

Some people knew some things (but were too afraid to speak out) the RC hierarchy were the only ones aware of the big picture. I don't see why you're raising this point unless it's to attempt to deflect away from the responsibility of that hierarchy

I grew up in Crumlin in the 70s and 80s (different parish though) and the only swimming pool we'd ever heard of was next to Pearse Park

Where was this parochial house anyway?

kneemos

harrylittle wrote: »

Now that Ireland has brought in Abortion and same sex marriage is this country going to reap Gods Wrath ?

How would it work for the folk that voted no?

banie01

I'm confused...
Surely if Ireland is a "Catholic" nation, "God" is love and shall forgive all sins upon the "Nation" repenting?
That said, that belief would seem to infer that "God" treats nation's as a body corporate with the associated responsibilities and I wonder if that makes the cabinet responsible?
Rather than the nation?

Or does the O.P subscribe to the notion that the new testament/Augustine interpretation of "God is Love and free will" are incorrect and we will be subject to old testament Judaic wrath?

I fail to see how either interpretation is compatible with the other?

realdanbreen

harrylittle wrote: »

Now that Ireland has brought in Abortion and same sex marriage is this country going to reap Gods Wrath ?

Straight question.
Leaving aside Gods wrath for the moment. My understanding is that humans have been on this earth for hundreds of thousands of years. Why then would this god chose to send his son to earth to a small area in the middle east only 2000 years ago? What about the many billions of people who lived and died and never got to hear of this gOD?

kneemos

I'd liken the church's control to colonisation.
The natives really had no power to alter the regime.

sbsquarepants

kneemos wrote: »

How would it work for the folk that voted no?

Very same as brexit - they'd be screwed regardless!

splinter65

banie01 wrote: »

I'm confused...
Surely if Ireland is a "Catholic" nation, "God" is love and shall forgive all sins upon the "Nation" repenting?
That said, that belief would seem to infer that "God" treats nation's as a body corporate with the associated responsibilities and I wonder if that makes the cabinet responsible?
Rather than the nation?

Or does the O.P subscribe to the notion that the new testament/Augustine interpretation of "God is Love and free will" are incorrect and we will be subject to old testament Judaic wrath?

I fail to see how either interpretation is compatible with the other?

I’m sorry your confused. But now I’m confused too. What examples can you show of the nation “repenting”?

nelly17

CosmicFool wrote: »

If he didn't do it when the church raped young kids and burried babies then he won't do it at all

He was just paying it forward

banie01

splinter65 wrote: »

I’m sorry your confused. But now I’m confused too. What examples can you show of the nation “repenting”?

I can't, which is the point I was driving at.
If God is love, and love is forgiveness...
How does he hold a nation responsible? And how would it repent?
Hence my tangent on God and the body corporate.

realdanbreen

realdanbreen wrote: »

Straight question.
Leaving aside Gods wrath for the moment. My understanding is that humans have been on this earth for hundreds of thousands of years. Why then would this god chose to send his son to earth to a small area in the middle east only 2000 years ago? What about the many billions of people who lived and died and never got to hear of this gOD?

So harrylittle, any answers?

Hotblack Desiato

I still haven't got an answer as to which commandment prohibits same-sex civil marriage.

branie2

I'd wait and see

pauldla

harrylittle wrote: »

Now that Ireland has brought in Abortion and same sex marriage is this country going to reap Gods Wrath ?

How would the Wrath of God be manifested in such a way as to spare those who voted No to both? And surely judgement only happens in the next life, after one has shuffled off this coil? Indeed, why the hurry to show Wrath now, is eternity not long enough for wrath-reaping?

JamBur

God never existed. Religion was a wealth and power generating scam that snowballed into global monstrosities. Death is a biological function, its an end, not the beginning of something else. Religious fervor is a disease rampant among idiots.

Grow up, move on, put your energies into something to better the world, not hinder it.

Hoboo

splinter65 wrote: »

I’m sorry your confused. But now I’m confused too. What examples can you show of the nation “repenting”?

Maybe god looked down after the ECB tore us a new one, and saw the vast majority were on their knees!

Cabaal

harrylittle wrote: »

When individuals carried out these acts within his church those individuals probably received his wrath.

Indeed they did, priests got upgraded to Bishops and well looked after for covering up the raping of children and abuse of women. The Vatican also increased its bank balance.

Oh sorry, you meant wrath.....not wealth

Terrlock

It's not just Ireland though....similar laws are being past throughout the western world countries.

The west has done well relying on Christian Foundations that now are fast turning away from...deeming them as wrong.

However the course that the west based countries are one as I see it will lead too it's destruction.

Looks to me that Muslim culture will mostly take over the west over the next 10 to 20 years.

If there is no God then Man is surely doomed!, The only chance we have of being saved is if there is a God that has mercy on us.

In the end we will just destroy ourselves given the chance, God's wrath would be to simply ignore our cries for help.

ElChe32

Terrlock wrote: »

It's not just Ireland though....similar laws are being past throughout the western world countries.

The west has done well relying on Christian Foundations that now are fast turning away from...deeming them as wrong.

However the course that the west based countries are one as I see it will lead too it's destruction.

Looks to me that Muslim culture will mostly take over the west over the next 10 to 20 years.

If there is no God then Man is surely doomed!, The only chance we have of being saved is if there is a God that has mercy on us.

In the end we will just destroy ourselves given the chance, God's wrath would be to simply ignore our cries for help.

Hahahahaha.

Sure he's been ignoring cries for help for millennia..it's kind of "his" thing.

kneemos

Terrlock wrote: »

It's not just Ireland though....similar laws are being past throughout the western world countries.

The west has done well relying on Christian Foundations that now are fast turning away from...deeming them as wrong.

However the course that the west based countries are one as I see it will lead too it's destruction.

Looks to me that Muslim culture will mostly take over the west over the next 10 to 20 years.

If there is no God then Man is surely doomed!, The only chance we have of being saved is if there is a God that has mercy on us.

In the end we will just destroy ourselves given the chance, God's wrath would be to simply ignore our cries for help.

Islam and Catholicism ain't all that different.

Hotblack Desiato

Terrlock wrote: »

Looks to me that Muslim culture will mostly take over the west over the next 10 to 20 years.

One of the most ludicrous things I've ever read.

realdanbreen

Terrlock wrote: »

If there is no God then Man is surely doomed!, The only chance we have of being saved is if there is a God that has mercy on us..

But if there is no God, and lets face it most adults that take the time to analyse it are doubtful that there is, what's the big deal. What do we need to be saved from?

Looks like someone is off their meds.

ElChe32

ElChe32 wrote: »

Hahahahaha.

Sure he's been ignoring cries for help for millennia..it's kind of "his" thing.

The get out for that is we were given free will.

nelly17

Theres a reason the flock are referred to as sheep - even as far back as when they were making up the bible

Terrlock

kneemos wrote: »

Islam and Catholicism ain't all that different.

What about Christianity then?

Terrlock

realdanbreen wrote: »

But if there is no God, and lets face it most adults that take the time to analyse it are doubtful that there is, what's the big deal. What do we need to be saved from?

How about the fact that everyone that is will be dead and that death is permanent Unless there is a God in heaven with the power to resurrect you.

realdanbreen

Terrlock wrote: »

How about the fact that everyone that is will be dead and that death is permanent Unless there is a God in heaven with the power to resurrect you.

I've often wondered and you might be able to help.
Keeping it simple, In Christianity when you die they say you either go to heaven or hell( they had a halfway house called limbo one time but after almost 2000 years they dropped that about 30 years ago). So if you do end up in heaven why would you need to be resurrected?

Another thing that puzzles me, up to about 30 years ago young men and women were getting a 'calling' from god to become priests and nuns(mind you God always seemed to mainly called the sons and daughters of big farmers or business men) Why has God stopped calling them?

ElChe32

Terrlock wrote: »

How about the fact that everyone that is will be dead and that death is permanent Unless there is a God in heaven with the power to resurrect you.

Dunno what you are talking about mate but I'm immortal.

Turtwig

ElChe32 wrote: »

Dunno what you are talking about mate but I'm immortal.

And I think we're done.