Bull with red slimy diarriea

leoch

Noticed a bull doing a slimy redish dirriea he looks perfect its a young bull i am feeding fattening 550 600 kgs on 7kgs of high maize ration and silage i have taken him out of the pen and put him in straw bed with hay for a while anyone ever see this u would think he was a heifer coming on with the slim.....cant upload photo of it

Mooooo

If it's bloody dung could be an ulcer or perhaps after ingesting wire or something. Perhaps get a vet to check. Is he alert

leoch

Yes very alert u wouldnt think there was anything wrong with him

Bass Reeves

Get him slaughtered if there is enough flesh on him and you have a good relationship with an agent. A vet will cost 50 euro and you cannot risk injecting him.

leoch

Why that bass ......his dung still runny this morning but not red and more slimy dung

greysides

leoch wrote: »

Yes very alert u wouldnt think there was anything wrong with him

So presumably he's eating too? Any signs of forcing, winking after dunging or holding the tail just slightly up off his backside?
Ring your vet for advice. It may be something that will pass off. I'd be inclined to take his whole demeanour into account. Look closely at the others, any others affected to a more mjnor degree?

Bass Reeves

If he starts to go down hill at any stage I be slaughtering. With finishing cattle vet usually can do nothing as the risk associated with injecting and being unable to slaughter is too great compared to slaughter and taking hit on profit. The couple of times I called vets where there was something serious with a finishing animal he recommended slaughter anyway.

If he is alert and it has stopped, feed away but he cannot go back into the pen that he came out of. However if at any stage he goes off food or starts to wilt I would consider slaughter as an option. I suppose it will depend on flesh/fat cover to an extent and relationship with agent but the last thing you want is an animal like that going down and you having to pay to carry him away in a knackery truck

I have been afraid of samonella I that situation and it can go very wrong fast

leoch

Yea i no wat ur saying he is out on his own now the rest of them are all ok he is a bit unsettled being on his own prob more the reason he only picked at his food last night have plenty of straw and hay and a bit of meal in with him so will ring vet and see wat he thinks

greysides

Bass, I agree with your post totally but I think in this case it might not be too serious, hence why ringing his vet is sensible.

Gawddawggonnit

greysides wrote: »

So presumably he's eating too? Any signs of forcing, winking after dunging or holding the tail just slightly up off his backside?
Ring your vet for advice. It may be something that will pass off. I'd be inclined to take his whole demeanour into account. Look closely at the others, any others affected to a more mjnor degree?

Could be what they call intestinal ‘flu here. Has the exact symptoms.

Good hay and 60g vitamin C.

http://www.clinique-veterinaire-innovet.com/media/original/infovet-fvrier-2014-grippe-intestinale-123899.pdf

dodo mommy

Could be coccidiosis.? Vecoxan would sort that out.

greysides

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Could be what they call intestinal ‘flu here. Has the exact symptoms.

Good hay and 60g vitamin C.

http://www.clinique-veterinaire-innovet.com/media/original/infovet-fvrier-2014-grippe-intestinale-123899.pdf

That's called "Winter Dysentery" here. Rare enough, I think.

greysides

dodo mommy wrote: »

Could be coccidiosis.? Vecoxan would sort that out.

Vecoxan is more of a preventative. The treatment is sulpha powders..... which I think have gone off the markets. Probably due to AMR and their in-feed use in the pig industry.

greysides

Bass Reeves wrote: »

If a vet has only visited your farm that infrequent I imagine that before he prescribes a drug he will have to visit and see he animal. It may also mean that if your herd test is different to you sick animal vet again this vet may not be able to prescribe without a visit .If a vet visits to inspect an animal before prescribing he will charge for the visit.

For sheep, bringing a few sick ones to the vet in a trailor may be an option.

With larger dairy herds and feedlot units there was a trend starting of herd tests and other larger health operations being tendered out. Certain drug buying was also tendered to these operations such as dry cow treatment, vaccination plans and purchase. But often the tender winner was too far away for sick animal issues and prescription drugs were bought in bulk from the tender vet. This just means that these vets will now need visit the farm to check animal health before prescribing. It will also make it more expensive for these vets to tender for this business that is outside there normal catchment area

The reason for all of this is antibiotic resistance. Not a trivial consideration. Any one over 50, go get your hip jobs done now, not in 20 years. Anyone female under 15, just don't get pregnant. Shortly all surgical interventions will become risky. I think by 2050 it is considered that AMR will account for more deaths worldwide than the current top two causes. Something very scary like that anyway.

Antibiotic use will shortly become very tightened up in veterinary. Antibiotics will soon be withdrawn or only used under restricted conditions.

The concept behind current use is that a vet examination is done to determine the need for antibiotics, the correct selection and dosage. The 12 month/30 day period is a concession to the real world. That is how it is viewed. Things will never be as easy as now ever again.

So with in mind it is easy to work out how such tendering and large scale drug sales to non-clients were officially viewed. Hence the changes.

Tendering is obviously done for financial reasons but the drivers of these changes are even more important.

leoch

Vet gave me 2 clear jags of dexamethesone and a bottle of i think its primidoxine too give to him over next 3 days along with powdered sodium sachets And also suggested a good fluke and worm drench its alot to be giving all at once or should i hold of on tbe drench for a few days

leoch

His dung is more like dung tonight a wee bit soft but not red at all

Bass Reeves

you will have to dose him as opposed to inject him for fluke and worms. Albex is only 14 days withdrawal if I remember right

leoch

Yea got that endospec 10% today 14 day withdrawel will dose with that tomorrow evening when he is in for his last jag ......hes a different bull this evening eating away not a bother