Is the Zoe as good as gone?

Markcheese

Just wondering is the Zoe old hat?
My parents are getting rid of their fabia this year and I thought a Zoe might suit.. But I see very little current mention of it on here,?
And I was wondering what the current model is like, real world..

Mancomb Seepgood

Markcheese wrote: »

Just wondering is the Zoe old hat?
My parents are getting rid of their fabia this year and I thought a Zoe might suit.. But I see very little current mention of it on here,?
And I was wondering what the current model is like, real world..

I hope not,I swapped a Leaf 24kw for one a few months back.Great little car and as long as 22kw charging is available it'll have it's place.I wouldn't even consider buying one new as prices in Ireland are far too high for what it is,and a model with CCS charging is supposed to be coming in the next year or two

Markcheese

Whats the real life range of one.?
What year did you get? (and roughly how much)

Mancomb Seepgood

Markcheese wrote: »

Whats the real life range of one.?
What year did you get? (and roughly how much)

I paid 20k (approx) before trade in for a 171 model,UK import with minimum mileage.It came with the battery owned and the Q90 motor which in theory enables 43kw at fast chargers - in my limited experience so far you'd do well to get more than the low 30s.The Q90 is nice to have but by no means essential.

I estimate that I'm getting approximately 220-250km driving on a variety of roads - extended motorway journeys would reduce this.I imagine that I could potentially get 300km in summer but would need to do a proper road trip.

Old diesel

Zoe was a cutting edge design when new.

Still a unique design today - but in EV terms it does risk been left behind.

AC only charging for rapid charging looks somewhat Betamax(ish) in a world where CCS is looking a clear leader - which if the rumour mill is to be believed even Renault themselves accept.

Frustratingly Renault are way ahead of Nissan on things like battery cooling.

Prices for a new Zoe ze40 are silly even allowing for the fact Renault appear to be doing more battery included sales these days.

Time Zoe got an update to keep up with the Koreans.

An Ioniq isn't a whole pile more to buy considering that Ioniq is a bigger car, with good higher speed charging and a more modern design - especially interior wise.

Still a good car - just overpriced new imo

Markcheese

Well theres supposed to be a new version coming out either 2nd half of this year, early next... But that could be optimistic too.
The range Ect could suit my parents who are retired, and usually it's 40km motorway driving to my house, or an hour of back road driving to get to my cousins... But they do seem pricey new,
But I doubt my mam would want something a long as an ioniq..

Mancomb Seepgood

Old diesel wrote: »

Zoe was a cutting edge design when new.

Still a unique design today - but in EV terms it does risk been left behind.

AC only charging for rapid charging looks somewhat Betamax(ish) in a world where CCS is looking a clear leader - which if the rumour mill is to be believed even Renault themselves accept.

Frustratingly Renault are way ahead of Nissan on things like battery cooling.

Prices for a new Zoe ze40 are silly even allowing for the fact Renault appear to be doing more battery included sales these days.

Time Zoe got an update to keep up with the Koreans.

An Ioniq isn't a whole pile more to buy considering that Ioniq is a bigger car, with good higher speed charging and a more modern design - especially interior wise.

Still a good car - just overpriced new imo

The main changes to the Zoe over the years have been under the hood, there have been two new motors added (most recently, the R110) and the ZE40.I think this would be perfectly acceptable if the price was lower. It's crazy to see it with a list price north of 30k.

While the Zoe hasn't done much business in Ireland, it does seem to have done quite well in the UK,and in France,understandably.

Round Cable

Mancomb Seepgood wrote: »

I think this would be perfectly acceptable if the price was lower. It's crazy to see it with a list price north of 30k.

The Zoe (40 kWh) starts at €24990, it's the cheapest brand new electric car you can buy in Ireland.

Mancomb Seepgood

Round Cable wrote: »

The Zoe (40 kWh) starts at €24990, it's the cheapest brand new electric car you can buy in Ireland.

My bad,I seem to have had my wires crossed.I hadn't checked the range in a while,when I last looked the entry level model still had the smaller battery.

Old diesel

Should add I actually do like them on a personal level.

unkel

Round Cable wrote: »

The Zoe (40 kWh) starts at €24990, it's the cheapest brand new electric car you can buy in Ireland.

It's poor value for money when you get a much better specced and bigger car like an Ioniq for similar money on the road. Unless you can get the same mega discounts off the new price of a Zoe that you can get in the UK?

Don't get me wrong, I like the Zoe

If you must have a small car, as an alternative you could bring in a second hand VW eUP from the UK for about GBP10k. Nowhere near the range of the Zoe 41 though. Or e FIAT 500e, Smart for 2, etc. None of these were ever for sale here. And the BMW i3 is also very small, about the size of a supermini too. In fact, that's what I'd get if I needed a small EV

Shefwedfan

Zoe is made by a French for the French market/European market

Perfect for spinning around French town, especially in south of France

The whole battery rental in Ireland didn’t seem to catch on and Renault Ireland have no interest selling them so that didn’t help

The car itself seems nice, sat into one but that was about it, in term of style etc would prefer to Leaf 1.....

BMW is too expensive, the eUp is like gold dust....

If it was me and I had option would go Zoe before options above but it would depend on price

rolion

Lots of ZOEs on Donedeal… H E R E

Actually, I was chatting with my daughter ,the chap that sold us the Leaf has a Zoe for sale... and it looks like a nice option for her daily work related travel...we have to wait few months for the bank account to be on "positive" vibes with the Manager...and definitively a first choice will be Zoe...Of course, we never buy brand new cars so a 3-4 years old will be ideal .

Markcheese

I think my parents will go for new or nearly new from a main dealer, and probably pcp finance,
It'd be interesting to see if there's much discounting going on, especially if there's an all new zoe coming end of the year...hopefully they'll be Trying to shift them,
Unfortunately the renault dealer in Cork, is also the Nissan and the hyundai (and BMW) so apart from the niro has electric all sewn up... Might have to travel a bit to haggle.... 😀

rolion

Markcheese wrote: »

I think my parents will go for new or nearly new from a main dealer, and probably pcp finance,
It'd be interesting to see if there's much discounting going on, especially if there's an all new zoe coming end of the year...hopefully they'll be Trying to shift them,
Unfortunately the renault dealer in Cork, is also the Nissan and the hyundai (and BMW) so apart from the niro has electric all sewn up... Might have to travel a bit to haggle.... ��

No offence, as I said I never buy new cars... but in the case of Zoe, a good few years older, well maintained AND with lease on the battery, why refuse the idea !?
Get a personal loan and buy one from local Irish sources or go abroad, UK lots more...

Shefwedfan

Markcheese wrote: »

I think my parents will go for new or nearly new from a main dealer, and probably pcp finance,
It'd be interesting to see if there's much discounting going on, especially if there's an all new zoe coming end of the year...hopefully they'll be Trying to shift them,
Unfortunately the renault dealer in Cork, is also the Nissan and the hyundai (and BMW) so apart from the niro has electric all sewn up... Might have to travel a bit to haggle.... 😀

Would be buying second hand if I was you, get a high spec import from UK from one of the specialist dealers

Markcheese

I see what ye're saying, but theres not a chance of them importing,wouldn't want the "hassle"
and if they're gonna make the "leap" to electric they'd like the idea of the GMV at the end, that they'd get with finance..
It'll be enough of a jump to get my mam into an "automatic" (I know it isn't)

DrPhilG

Markcheese wrote: »

I see what ye're saying, but theres not a chance of them importing,wouldn't want the "hassle"

Deal with someone like Phil Fitzgerald in Electric Autos. He'll source a UK car, do all the import process and still work out cheaper than buying here. No hassle involved.

Old diesel

30 kwh Leaf could do the job

jmreire

rolion wrote: »

Lots of ZOEs on Donedeal… H E R E

Actually, I was chatting with my daughter ,the chap that sold us the Leaf has a Zoe for sale... and it looks like a nice option for her daily work related travel...we have to wait few months for the bank account to be on "positive" vibes with the Manager...and definitively a first choice will be Zoe...Of course, we never buy brand new cars so a 3-4 years old will be ideal .

You are right , there ARE a lot of Zoes out there for sale ( inc. one @ €33500 ), but lots under €10'000 too. But a lot of them are saying " 6 Mths Free Battery Rental" can some one explain this to me?

unkel

Don't go battery rental. You won't be able to give your car away when you're done with it. It will be worthless as soon as you sign the lease. And to add insult to injury, the only way you can end the contract is by scrapping the car. And to do that, you have to pay Renault for the battery recycling

Why do you all think there are so many cheap Zoes with battery rental for sale in the UK?

jmreire

unkel wrote: »

Don't go battery rental. You won't be able to give your car away when you're done with it. It will be worthless as soon as you sign the lease. And to add insult to injury, the only way you can end the contract is by scrapping the car. And to do that, you have to pay Renault for the battery recycling

Why do you all think there are so many cheap Zoes with battery rental for sale in the UK?

So that's the reason... 2016 reg cars for sale at that price. The battery is the catch. Just for info, what are the rental charges per month? year? What kind of money would you be talking about paying Renault to recycle the battery? Or instead what about trading it in for a newer Renault model ( but not necessarily another Zoe ) ? Seems like a lot of ZOE owners are going to get caught out financially..this will eat substantially into what ever saving's were made by going electric..... Does this situation apply only to Renault ZOE's, or are all EV's the same??

unkel

Only to Zoes really, but there are also battery rental Leafs in the UK. Do not touch them either.

If you want to go EV and you don't have much cash, try save some first. Or even borrow some to get maybe an 141 Leaf for around €9k. Do not go battery rental under any circumstances. It really is a fool's choice. No offense to anyone who has a Zoe on rental, but it really is financially unwise. I do admit though that a few years ago when most people thought EV batteries were dodgy and mightn't last - it seemed like a reasonable choice as the battery was guaranteed for ever (as long as you paid the lease). Now we know batteries of most newish EVs are actually quite good and almost all EV manufacturers give an 8 year battery warranty.

Cilar

Not sure why they are not doing better in Ireland. They're top of the list in Germany and France. They are technically superior to the Leaf with better battery management and heat pump.

rolion

@cilar
Is the well known old "love" of French cars by the Irish drivers !?
Buy only VW and Japs... and small cc.

Shefwedfan

Cilar wrote: »

Not sure why they are not doing better in Ireland. They're top of the list in Germany and France. They are technically superior to the Leaf with better battery management and heat pump.

Renault dealers in Ireland is the reason

Old diesel

92 sold this year so far

56 in 2017

Shefwedfan

I would not be concerned about the battery rental, they seem to be selling no issues from the dealers and you have no concerns over battery degradation as they have to swap the battery

So if planning on keeping for a long time it is best option I would feel

AMKC

rolion wrote: »

@cilar
Is the well known old "love" of French cars by the Irish drivers !?
Buy only VW and Japs... and small cc.

There is plenty of French cars in Ireland with Peugeot and Renault being the most popular.
Plenty of Irish people want a car with character and style and not some boring German or Japanese car.

I would say it the Zoe was just too expensive, the dealers were not pushed because of the battery rental and the battery renting did not appeal to Irish drivers either.

bp_me

Markcheese wrote: »

and if they're gonna make the "leap" to electric they'd like the idea of the GMV at the end, that they'd get with finance..

I dont think this means what you think it means.

Think of the guaranteed value as the balloon payment. The only value you as 'owner' have is value above the balloon payment in the month it becomes due.

Renault often have 0% HP on Zoe but you will still do far far better getting one from the UK thats only a few months old and battery owned. This does rule out finance beyond a bank loan though.

Mike9832

bp_me wrote: »

I dont think this means what you think it means.

Think of the guaranteed value as the balloon payment. The only value you as 'owner' have is value above the balloon payment in the month it becomes due.

Renault often have 0% HP on Zoe but you will still do far far better getting one from the UK thats only a few months old and battery owned. This does rule out finance beyond a bank loan though.

If you have cash much better alright

BOI and credit union etc rates are a joke, not far off 10% apr