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Has Anyone every used Sobac in stead of fertiliser

  • 27-12-2018 11:01pm
    #1
    cacs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 832 ✭✭✭


    Just wondering has anyone ever used sobac bacteriasol instead of fertiliser. It is supposed to have good results


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  • #2
    The Nutty M
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 931 ✭✭✭The Nutty M


    I'm seriously thinking of trying it. And the decision is mainly based on the price of fert. No P + K or lime input costs.
    It's a long term program which is kind of the most off putting thing. But we'll see how it goes.


  • #3
    uck51js9zml2yt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    How does it work?
    Is it mixed with the slurry or just spread on the fields?


  • #4
    The Nutty M
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 931 ✭✭✭The Nutty M


    Two different forms of it, 1st is added to the slurry, the 2nd is spread like fertiliser.


  • #5
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    I presume it qualifies as organic?


  • #6
    Mooooo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    What is in it actually?


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  • #7
    _Brian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,717 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Mooooo wrote: »
    What is in it actually?

    This is the difficult part, if you contact them and ask you just get referred to anecdotal evidence rather than specific scientific tests or explanation. That may just be bad business but it worries me.

    When I contact a company and ask for details on content and evidence “why not try some” is not an acceptable answer.


  • #8
    Snowfire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭Snowfire


    _Brian wrote: »
    This is the difficult part, if you contact them and ask you just get referred to anecdotal evidence rather than specific scientific tests or explanation. That may just be bad business but it worries me.

    When I contact a company and ask for details on content and evidence “why not try some” is not an acceptable answer.

    Sounds like magic fairy powder.


  • #9
    Mooooo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Crowd rang here selling teat dip one day and off she went saying what it does. Asked her what the ingredients were and she couldn't answer.... needless to say no sale


  • #10
    Say my name
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,039 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    There are a few posters who have used it from previous threads on sobac.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057908442

    Maybe who ever is interested could send them a pm?


  • #11
    Dinzee Conlee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭Dinzee Conlee


    Does anyone have any info on distributors? Or what kinda form it comes in - I assume the bactiosol one for land can be spread with a normal fertiliser spreader?


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  • #12
    cacs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 832 ✭✭✭cacs


    Dinzee Conlee wrote: »
    Does anyone have any info on distributors? Or what kinda form it comes in - I assume the bactiosol one for land can be spread with a normal fertiliser spreader?
    I seen it advertised on done deal last. I contacted tge company who sold it. Only sold in 600 kg bags. It does seem a bit like fairy dust i was thinking the same regards fertilizer prices. I seen that fertilizer is due to go up again this year


  • #13
    Dinzee Conlee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭Dinzee Conlee


    cathal irwin wrote: »
    I seen it advertised on done deal last. I contacted tge company who sold it. Only sold in 600 kg bags. It does seem a bit like fairy dust i was thinking the same regards fertilizer prices. I seen that fertilizer is due to go up again this year

    Well, that’s me out so, cos I don’t have the machinery to manage big bags...

    Pity, cos I would be very interested...


  • #14
    Cattlepen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 786 ✭✭✭Cattlepen


    I used it one year. I didn’t do soill samples or anything scientific like that but I had serious grass on the field I spread it that year. Grew lovely hay meadows. Would definitely consider it again but at the moment i’m Disillusioned with spending money on inputs. Taking a step back and just claiming sfp. The stocking rate is being kept low so no inputs needed


  • #15
    Green farmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭Green farmer


    How much would a big 600kg bag for the fertiliser spreader cost ?


  • #16
    Say my name
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,039 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    It'd be right gas if it turned out to be pelleted pig manure.


  • #17
    The Nutty M
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 931 ✭✭✭The Nutty M


    Green farmer wrote: »
    How much would a big 600kg bag for the fertiliser spreader cost ?

    €965, spread in or around the 60kg/acre mark.


  • #18
    The Nutty M
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 931 ✭✭✭The Nutty M


    Say my name wrote: »
    It'd be right gas if it turned out to be pelleted pig manure.

    It'd be right gas if it turned out to be 60-65% of the input cost of chemical fertiliser for the same output. Helping soil structure is a by-product but maintaining soil index's is the aim.


  • #19
    Green farmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭Green farmer


    The Nutty M wrote: »
    €965, spread in or around the 60kg/acre mark.

    4 times the price of fertilizer. Pity it wasn’t more price competitive as I’m sure more lads would give it a try then.


  • #20
    The Nutty M
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 931 ✭✭✭The Nutty M


    Green farmer wrote: »
    4 times the price of fertilizer. Pity it wasn’t more price competitive as I’m sure more lads would give it a try then.

    For 10acres,how much compound chemical fert would you apply to silage ground do you mind me asking?


  • #21
    Green farmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭Green farmer


    The Nutty M wrote: »
    For 10acres,how much compound chemical fert would you apply to silage ground do you mind me asking?

    I suppose a bag of 18 6 12 costs €20 so the same money would buy you 4 bags of that instead.


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  • #22
    Say my name
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,039 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    A bit on the sobac slurry additive.
    Interesting that the farmer noticed the grass that received slurry with the slurry bugs hadn't got the same punch as grass that received slurry only. I've seen that mentioned before but the article assures that there's a longer lasting effect.

    (It's all in French but I think most devices now can translate?)
    https://www.paysan-breton.fr/2018/10/des-micro-organismes-pour-developper-la-vie-du-sol/

    A dairy farmer milking montbeliardes using the products. (There's seemingly more than the two that's available on the irish market ).
    http://sante-terre-vivant.fr/portait-de-daniel-coutant-autonomie-et-transmission-toute-une-philosophie/?fbclid=IwAR2bemEE1hvg5X6Uo1FICEzBCr4mZiUTyyLYaMt2HId9xbUSLUJePyCks4U

    YouTube clip of the spiel.
    https://youtu.be/PcliCdXtSR4

    All those links came from Sobac's Twitter account.


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