How many in your family work in the civil or public service.

On another thread someone mentions that something like 1 in 23 people employed in the state work for the Health service I do not know what the evidence for that is sounds very high and that is jut the HSE.

In my family its about 50% working in the wider public service nursing teaching or professional services such as engineering one in a high level in the department of social protection.

Edgware

mariaalice wrote: »

On another thread someone mentions that something like 1 in 23 people employed in the state work for the Health service I do not know what the evidence for that is sounds very high and that is jut the HSE.

In my family its about 50% working in the wider public service nursing teaching or professional services such as engineering one in a high level in the department of social protection.

"Work" or "employed" There is a difference

troyzer

The HSE is the largest employer in the country, I don't know why you're surprised.

kneemos

Google says 67,000.

I have no reason to suspect dishonesty.

Edgware

Edgware wrote: »

"Work" or "employed" There is a difference

They all work hard although one thinks there job is handy, not taking in to account years of doing it have made them good at it and that's why they think its handy.

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Edgware wrote: »

"Work" or "employed" There is a difference

That didn't take long.


There are a lot of very hard working people employed in providing services to the state.

There are also some swinging the lead.

Having worked in the private sector for a lot longer than the public sector I've had more wasters in the same building as me in the private sector than the public.

Edgware

mariaalice wrote: »

They all work hard although one thinks there job is handy, not taking in to account years of doing it have made them good at it and that's why they think its handy.

Transfer to Humour forum

seamus

Current number employed: 2,273,200

HSE Payroll (directly & indirectly): 114,058

Closer to 1 in 20 tbh.

Health is one industry that is still massively labour-intensive, at all levels of organisation. It's very resistant to automation or other forms of efficiency change. This isn't unique to Ireland, it's a worldwide issue.

So I can definitely see how the figures are right.

Ush1

Two. Housing officer and postman.

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kneemos wrote: »

Google says 67,000.

I have no reason to suspect dishonesty.

29000 employees in the civil service..or there abouts.

kneemos

Not nearly enough in the HSE.

seamus

seamus wrote: »

Current number employed: 2,273,200

HSE Payroll (directly & indirectly): 114,058

Closer to 1 in 20 tbh.

Health is one industry that is still massively labour-intensive, at all levels of organisation. It's very resistant to automation or other forms of efficiency change. This isn't unique to Ireland, it's a worldwide issue.

So I can definitely see how the figures are right.

So that is just the HSE, if we take the civil service and the wider public services the state must be the employer of a huge percentage of the work force and that dose not include the semi state companies.

seamus

mariaalice wrote: »

So that is just the HSE, if we take the civil service and the wider public services the state must be the employer of a huge percentage of the work force and that dose not include the semi state companies.

300,000, give or take. Health and education being around two-thirds of it.
So around 12.5% of the entire workforce.

Because employment metrics are rarely on a single basis, some other figures put public sector employment anywhere between 10 and 20% of total.

Which is very much mid-table on a global and EU scale.

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Between Teachers, Lecturers, Doctors, Nurses, Midwives, Social Workers, and State Bodies, 80% of our children and grandchildren are in the Public Service.

mvl

seamus wrote: »

Health is one industry that is still massively labour-intensive, at all levels of organisation. It's very resistant to automation or other forms of efficiency change. This isn't unique to Ireland, it's a worldwide issue.

does anyone know where is AI on their agenda ?

mvl

mvl wrote: »

does anyone know where is AI on their agenda ?

Yes, I can see a robotic midwife being very popular and a great successes there are just somethings were AI would not work.

Ray Bloody Purchase

mvl wrote: »

does anyone know where is AI on their agenda ?

Artificial insemination?

BarryD2

Currently I can only think of one or maybe two in my immediate extended family. I suspect these things run in families, some have the idea that the state will pay their salaries and pensions whilst other families have more of a culture of paying your own way and others again of living off social welfare supports. Without the middle group though, the others would be fecked

mvl

UOTE=mariaalice;108912478]Yes, I can see a robotic midwife being very popular and a great successes there are just somethings were AI would not work.[/QUOTE]


I am not fussed about robotic midwifes or not: I'd need more certainty/clarity in the diagnostic process.

for sure its on their agenda, as everybody else is doing it !

PS: and to answer the OP, nobody in my family are working in civil or public service.

Pintman Paddy Losty

My brother works for Irish rail. An absolutely bone idle individual. He actually told me he doesn't even know what his job is supposed to be. He just turns up to Limerick junction every day in a luminous jacket and hangs around drinking tea.

He's the only one sort of employed by the state. The rest of us work for a living.

seamus

mvl wrote: »

does anyone know where is AI on their agenda ?

"AI" is a little bit of a buzzword, especially in a medical context.

For diagnostic processes, it's basically using massive data crunching and prediction algorithms to determine the most effective ways forward.

Which arguably, is exactly what normal intelligence is too. But the idea that AI will autonomously treat people is centuries away really.

Cancer is where the big AI money is going at the moment, because the treatment for cancer is a complicated affair that requires you to treat the patient, measure the outcome, and then decide on the next treatment. The treat the patient, measure the outcome, pick the next. And so forth.

The possible range of treatments a patient may need (known as the "pathway") is complex, and doctors have many patients, and are fallible. Technology is being used in this context as a analysis tool; so an oncologist doesn't have to review the entire medical history for a patient at every step of the journey, before deciding on the next one. Technology can crunch the data, summarise it and recommend a next step. This speeds up diagnostics and reduces clinical error.

That's a bit off-topic . When I say that health is slow to embrace automation, the biggest efficiency benefits are realisable at the clerical level. An insane amount of hospital administration is still done using pen & paper. This makes even the basic procedures within healthcare slow, expensive and error-prone.

Private healthcare is good for embracing technology. Public healthcare is not. This is a mix of union-led resistance to change and political fvckery.

MarkR

Me and my wife both do. So on that basis, 100% of people probably work in the public service.

We're both recent converts. Still waiting on our placards.

Grayson

troyzer wrote: »

The HSE is the largest employer in the country, I don't know why you're surprised.

All my close family members, who are still alive, wither work for or have worked for the HSE. There's doctors, nurses and paramedics.

Ray Bloody Purchase

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

My brother works for Irish rail. An absolutely bone idle individual. He actually told me he doesn't even know what his job is supposed to be. He just turns up to Limerick junction every day in a luminous jacket and hangs around drinking tea.

He's the only one sort of employed by the state. The rest of us work for a living.

Irish Rail are a semi state company, Paddy. Get your facts straight.

Ush1

mvl wrote: »

does anyone know where is AI on their agenda ?

AI?

Patient files are still pen and paper and literally have to be sent to other hospitals so AI is a loooooong way off.

Pintman Paddy Losty

Ray Bloody Purchase wrote: »

Irish Rail are a semi state company, Paddy. Get your facts straight.

Still employed by the state bucko. Have a gander at the massive subvention they receive every year. It's my hard earned tax that pays for my lazy cu^t of a brother to waddle around in a luminous bib all day long.

NickNickleby

BarryD2 wrote: »

Currently I can only think of one or maybe two in my immediate extended family. I suspect these things run in families, some have the idea that the state will pay their salaries and pensions whilst other families have more of a culture of paying your own way and others again of living off social welfare supports. Without the middle group though, the others would be fecked

Ah yes, free salaries and pensions. Perhaps you think they should all work for nothing.

Ray Bloody Purchase

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Still employed by the state bucko. Have a gander at the massive subvention they receive every year. It's my hard earned tax that pays for my lazy cu^t of a brother to waddle around in a luminous bib all day long.

I detect a hint of jealousy there, Paddy. What is it you do again?

Talk Lay tarmac?

Pintman Paddy Losty

Ray Bloody Purchase wrote: »

I detect a hint of jealousy there, Paddy. What is it you do again?

Talk Lay tarmac?

Run a very successful building supply store. Pay lots of tax for wasters in the bloated state and semi state bodies. Pack of useless fcukers the lot of them.

Lux23

Just me.

BarryD2

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Are you implying people employed by the state aren't paying their own way?

NickNickleby wrote: »

Ah yes, free salaries and pensions. Perhaps you think they should all work for nothing.

Of course, public and civil servants engage in work and in many cases useful work. But they don't have to worry about where their next customer or weekly/ monthly pay is coming from, nor their pension. There is pretty reasonable security of employment as long as they want it.

So yes, as long as they turn up for work and do their best or not as the case may be, then the salary & pension is guaranteed.

That is not normally the case for many involved in the 'productive' economy that generates the monies to support the above.

Lux23

BarryD2 wrote: »

Of course, public and civil servants engage in work and in many cases useful work. But they don't have to worry about where their next customer or weekly/ monthly pay is coming from, nor their pension. There is pretty reasonable security of employment as long as they want it.

So yes, as long as they turn up for work and do their best or not as the case may be, then the salary & pension is guaranteed.

That is not normally the case for many involved in the 'productive' economy that generates the monies to support the above.

I've worked in the private sector for most of my career, and I was always paid regardless of the outcomes. I also find my PS role to be way more stressful than my private sectors jobs. I'm half dead right now. Not sleeping, eating etc. I bloody wish it was cushy.

MarkR

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Run a very successful building supply store. Pay lots of tax for wasters in the bloated state and semi state bodies. Pack of useless fcukers the lot of them.

One time, a guy in a building supply store hit me with a rubber chicken when my back was turned. I got PTSD off the incident, and can't eveb go into the poultry aisle of lidl any more.

No respect for rubber chickens, people who run very successful building supply stores.