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Motor tax question

  • 18-12-2018 5:26am
    #1
    racso1975
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭


    If you had a 3 litre engine in your car and replaced it with 2 litre engine can you get Shannon to change the level of annual tax on the car and if so what is the process? Thanks


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  • #2
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84,763 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    You fill in RF111, a main dealer must stamp it...

    https://www.motortax.ie/OMT/pdf/RF111_en.pdf


  • #3
    Esel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,093 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    Read here recently that changing the engine on 2008 onwards cars will not change the tax rate.

    Not your ornery onager



  • #4
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84,763 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    Esel wrote: »
    Read here recently that changing the engine on 2008 onwards cars will not change the tax rate.

    Yes it won't.


  • #5
    mullingar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,340 ✭✭✭mullingar


    ...buys a 08 320d with fecked engine and reshell/reengine it with a written off UK reg M3....


  • #6
    Car99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,531 ✭✭✭Car99


    mullingar wrote: »
    ...buys a 08 320d with fecked engine and reshell/reengine it with a written off UK reg M3....

    I like your thinking.


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  • #7
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,822 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    mullingar wrote: »
    ...buys a 08 320d with fecked engine and reshell/reengine it with a written off UK reg M3....

    ....interesting to see how you'd NCT it............

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #8
    StereoSound
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭StereoSound


    galwaytt wrote: »
    ....interesting to see how you'd NCT it............

    Do the NCT testers even check if the engine is the right one for the car? 15+ years ago I had a few bigger engines in cars that had no business being there.. Tested them for years with no problems... 1.3 civic with a 1.6 VTEC in it. Cheap tax for a 1.6! Hohoho. Abit younger back then and wouldn't risk it now though....I knew lots of lads in the early 2k's doing the same thing. No idea if that sort of thing still goes on? Unless the testers check the engine numbers which I have never observed them really doing. They check the oil, the brake cylinder and radiator for leaks or cracks and slam the bonnit down. Done!


  • #9
    mullingar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,340 ✭✭✭mullingar


    Nct is just a safety check. Once it's safe it should pass


  • #10
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,822 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    mullingar wrote: »
    Nct is just a safety check. Once it's safe it should pass

    emissions test ? What would they test it against: original, donor ??

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #11
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,639 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    galwaytt wrote: »
    emissions test ? What would they test it against: original, donor ??
    Whatever's written on the sheet tbh.
    Which would be what is on the original logbook.
    If you "redesignated" a 318d to an M3 theoretically, it would always pass the emissions test. It was a 318d, meaning there's no emissions test only a smoke test!


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  • #12
    newmember2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,599 ✭✭✭newmember2


    StereoSound wrote: »
    Do the NCT testers even check if the engine is the right one for the car? 15+ years ago I had a few bigger engines in cars that had no business being there.. Tested them for years with no problems... 1.3 civic with a 1.6 VTEC in it. Cheap tax for a 1.6! Hohoho. Abit younger back then and wouldn't risk it now though....I knew lots of lads in the early 2k's doing the same thing. No idea if that sort of thing still goes on? Unless the testers check the engine numbers which I have never observed them really doing. They check the oil, the brake cylinder and radiator for leaks or cracks and slam the bonnit down. Done!

    Had you your insurance company told of the modifications?


  • #13
    Wailin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,439 ✭✭✭Wailin


    newmember? wrote: »
    Had you your insurance company told of the modifications?

    Jesus Christ. Why would you even care?


  • #14
    Car99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,531 ✭✭✭Car99


    newmember? wrote: »
    Had you your insurance company told of the modifications?

    He did and his insurance went down 20% .


  • #15
    newmember2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,599 ✭✭✭newmember2


    Wailin wrote: »
    Jesus Christ. Why would you even care?

    Jesus Christ. Why would you think I even care?:rolleyes:

    I asked the question as we're discussing changing the engine of your car and the first thing that comes to mind is that you'd be fcuked in an accident.


  • #16
    nim1bdeh38l2cw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 689 ✭✭✭nim1bdeh38l2cw


    newmember? wrote: »
    Jesus Christ. Why would you think I even care?:rolleyes:

    I asked the question as we're discussing changing the engine of your car and the first thing that comes to mind is that you'd be fcuked in an accident.

    You need to reprioritise your life...


  • #17
    grogi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,616 ✭✭✭grogi


    galwaytt wrote: »
    emissions test ? What would they test it against: original, donor ??

    The emission standards are the same for 1.0 and 3.0.


  • #18
    mullingar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,340 ✭✭✭mullingar


    grogi wrote: »
    The emission standards are the same for 1.0 and 3.0.

    Mostly correct, emissions are measured as either PPM or %, so engine size should not make a difference. The main variances of the limits would be mostly what the yearly standards were at time of manufacturer and possibly what the manufacturer specified, so if you put in an older big engine into a fresher car, it may fail, but would pass if the engine age matched an older car


  • #19
    teediddlyeye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭teediddlyeye


    Esel wrote: »
    Read here recently that changing the engine on 2008 onwards cars will not change the tax rate.

    So one could for instance swap a V8 into an ecoboost mustang and pay 750 for tax instead of 2350? Insurance issuse aside.

    This could take off here as low tax cars get cheaper with the likes of imprezas, evos etc!

    "I never thought I was normal, never tried to be normal."- Charlie Manson



  • #20
    mullingar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,340 ✭✭✭mullingar


    teediddlyeye wrote: »
    So one could for instance swap a V8 into an ecoboost mustang and pay 750 for tax instead of 2350? Insurance issuse aside.

    This could take off here as low tax cars get cheaper with the likes of imprezas, evos etc!

    Yes, but dont forget, modern engines have sensors/wires everywhere so its going to cost a lot more for an engine transplant as its a lot more complex.


  • #21
    Car99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,531 ✭✭✭Car99


    mullingar wrote: »
    Yes, but dont forget, modern engines have sensors/wires everywhere so its going to cost a lot more for an engine transplant as its a lot more complex.

    Nothing a good welder couldnt fix if you own both chassiss, just saying.


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  • #22
    commited
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭commited


    Generally, Irish insurance companies appear to be fairly scared of stuff like this which is what has always put me off!


  • #23
    mgbgt1978
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,261 ✭✭✭mgbgt1978


    Scared ????




    Or just another excuse to ride you !!!! ;)


  • #24
    rebel.ranter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭rebel.ranter


    teediddlyeye wrote: »
    So one could for instance swap a V8 into an ecoboost mustang and pay 750 for tax instead of 2350? Insurance issuse aside.

    This could take off here as low tax cars get cheaper with the likes of imprezas, evos etc!


    Here’s an interesting twist on this. What about the “2 litre on the book” craze a few years back where there were guys putting their 530d down as 2 litre. What if you bought one of these cars and switched it back to 3 litre, pay the correct insurance, does the tax stay at the 2L level?


  • #25
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,639 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    rebel.ranter wrote: »
    Here’s an interesting twist on this. What about the “2 litre on the book” craze a few years back where there were guys putting their 530d down as 2 litre. What if you bought one of these cars and switched it back to 3 litre, pay the correct insurance, does the tax stay at the 2L level?
    The only thing switched was on the book. The car was alway a 3litre in reality.
    So if you switch it back to a 3 litre on the book then of course you will pay the 3 litre tax.


  • #26
    Car99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,531 ✭✭✭Car99


    rebel.ranter wrote: »
    Here’s an interesting twist on this. What about the “2 litre on the book” craze a few years back where there were guys putting their 530d down as 2 litre. What if you bought one of these cars and switched it back to 3 litre, pay the correct insurance, does the tax stay at the 2L level?

    But they weren't doing this on post 2008 cars were they?


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