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Is Santa Claus in contradiction of article 6 of GDPR

  • 02-12-2018 11:20pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,303 ✭✭✭


    1. Processing shall be lawful only if and to the extent that at least one of the following applies: 
    => Article: 9(a) the data subject has given consent to the processing of his or her personal data for one or more specific purposes; 

    http://www.privacy-regulation.eu/en/article-6-lawfulness-of-processing-GDPR.htm

    Now by having a list of every boy and girl in which he identifies them as naughty or nice(and checks twice),seeing as not all children write to him expressing their desires for toys and claiming their status as good there by giving their consent for him to process their data, by having a list of all boys and girls without their consent is he breaking GDPR legislation?

    Or does part B and/or E absolve him?


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    Santy is
    a) not real
    b) lives at the north pole, which is not in the eu
    c) like what are the cjeu gonna do?


  • Administrators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,774 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭hullaballoo


    I think consent is freely given for all of the details and data Santa collects tbh.

    The spirit of the GDPR is something that's often forgotten on conversations about the nitty gritty of its provisions.

    And lest we forget, the spirit of it is genuinely justiciable and at its very centre.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 689 ✭✭✭nim1bdeh38l2cw


    I think consent is freely given for all of the details and data Santa collects tbh.

    Is it though? The balance of power is definitely in Santa's court. If you don't consent, you don't get any present! Ergo, consent cannot be freely given so one of the other bases must be relied upon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,071 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    This is huge.
    It's not just personal data, it's special category personal data because it's based on a kid's beliefs.
    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/government_in_ireland/data_protection/overview_of_general_data_protection_regulation.html
    Additionally, consent wasn't granted on the initial child->Santa communication, so consent will have to be requested and granted again. Good luck with that given that kids typically move out of home just after ~21 years (wishful, I know).

    So here's the offending text:
    Santa Claus is comin' to town ---> Promotion of the event. He's operating as a business as opposed to an individual. Rules differ!
    He's making a list and checking it twice ---> So here's that confidential customer list.
    Gonna find out who's naughty and nice ---> Personal data! Just saying! Data collection and retention. It's going to be on computers, so FOI request!
    ...
    He sees you when you're sleepin' ---> Hmmm, did he get permission for monitoring kids? Ok, I suppose he needs to know this so that he can deliver effectively.
    He knows when you're awake ---> This I have an issue with. It's beyond his remit to know the wake-state of every kid.
    He knows if you've been bad or good ---> This is justified. Generation Z should be treated in the same way as every other generation.

    Yeah, Santa better have employed a good Data Controller.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,071 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    sexmag,
    You'll get whistle-blower protection. Just graciously decline any offers of assistance from Garda HQ.

    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/enforcement_and_redress/protection_for_whistleblowers.html


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Also the legal term for Secret Santa is Confidentiality Claus.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 907 ✭✭✭Under His Eye


    Santa claims his principal place of business as Rovaniemi, Finland, so GDPR does apply to him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭wench


    Santy is
    a) not real
    b) lives at the north pole, which is not in the eu
    c) like what are the cjeu gonna do?
    Santa claims his principal place of business as Rovaniemi, Finland, so GDPR does apply to him.


    And in any case the data subjects do live in the EU, so he can't get out of it that way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,769 ✭✭✭nuac


    Santa claims his principal place of business as Rovaniemi, Finland, so GDPR does apply to him.

    That is a recent claim. Everybody knows that Santa is based at the North Pole.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,998 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Santa claims his principal place of business as Rovaniemi, Finland, so GDPR does apply to him.
    No. Rovaniemi, Finland claims that it is Santa's principal place of business - subtle but important distinction.

    Worth pointing out that North Pole, Alaska (this is a real place and it's not at the actual North Pole) also claims to be Santa's principal place of business. He has a brass plate operation in Canada, the address of which is "North Pole H0H 0H0, Canada". And he has a fixed establishment in Russia, at Veliky Ustyug in the Vologda region.

    I kind of assume this multiplicity of jurisdictional locations is tax-driven - Santa is probably avoiding tax, and also there must be some doubt as to where social insurance contributions for the elves are supposed to be paid - but it certainly creates jurisdictional problems when it comes to enforcing regulations or pursuing claims.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,700 ✭✭✭tricky D


    sexmag wrote: »
    Or does part B and/or E absolve him?
    Sanity Clause




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,258 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    10-10-20 wrote: »
    So here's the offending text:
    Santa Claus is comin' to town ---> Promotion of the event. He's operating as a business as opposed to an individual. Rules differ!
    He's making a list and checking it twice ---> So here's that confidential customer list.
    Gonna find out who's naughty and nice ---> Personal data! Just saying! Data collection and retention. It's going to be on computers, so FOI request!
    ...
    He sees you when you're sleepin' ---> Hmmm, did he get permission for monitoring kids? Ok, I suppose he needs to know this so that he can deliver effectively.
    He knows when you're awake ---> This I have an issue with. It's beyond his remit to know the wake-state of every kid.
    He knows if you've been bad or good ---> This is justified. Generation Z should be treated in the same way as every other generation.

    Yeah, Santa better have employed a good Data Controller.

    To take up your point.....

    Santa doesn't run any event himself. He just turns up upon invite.
    Santa lists are currently outsourced to Elf on a Shelf. Elf is subject and not Santa, to Data laws. FOI is State only so only children of Civil and Public Servants that live in work would be covered here.
    Santa Cams are only subject to CCTV laws if a monitoring contract is entered into.
    A paediatric Sleep Clinic may have let Santa know about your child sleeping or not. This is a breach of the Hippopotamus Oath.
    A Youth Worker is obliged to pass on claims of abuse

    :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,283 ✭✭✭✭RobbingBandit


    Santy is
    a) not real
    b) lives at the north pole, which is not in the eu
    c) like what are the cjeu gonna do?

    WILL FERRELL wants a word

    Santa! Oh, my God! Santa's coming! I know him! I know him!

    You calling Will a liar well are you!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    Best of luck serving him with proceedings.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,754 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    All joking aside, genuine question: if you write a list of people's names for whatever reason - to do list, invite list for party, potential meeting attendees, and so on - are you in breach?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,303 ✭✭✭sexmag


    Elf is subject and not Santa, to Data laws.

    Actually not true,once the elf hands over the data to Santa, santa is then the data controller and subject to same regulations.

    What needs to be found is if a child has not given consent then how do they opt out?

    Also what's 4% of Santas global turnover should he be fined?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭xalot


    Santa needs the list for business operational reasons so I think he can justify himself if it comes to that!


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 41,235 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    sexmag wrote: »
    What needs to be found is if a child has not given consent then how do they opt out?
    Can a child under 16 give consent in these situations?

    I'm also concerned over his long history of illegally entering people's properties. This country is a joke - known criminals allowed to freely wander the streets!


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