Mullane of Donaghmore

brownangel

I'm trying to establish a link between Cornelius Mullane of Donaghmore who married Mary Healy of Island, Burnfort. She was born in 1839. The marriage would have taken place between 1860 and 1869. There were at least 3 children: Helen, Hannah and Jeremiah. Would anyone have vital dates for Cornelius? I would like to hear from someone on the Mullane side as I am researching the Healy side.

pinkypinky

What county?

Wyldwood

I'm guessing Cork as Burnfort is near Mallow but I don't understand the question. Is it the marriage record is needed?

brownangel

Thank you for pointing out the need to clarify my question.



Yes, it's County Cork, Ireland. Apart from those who emigrated, all the descendants that I know live near Cork city. The tree is fairly well established with the help of oral information and sharing with cousins but I don't have any records for Cornelius Mullane or Mary Healy, though I have records for some of her siblings. I'm not 100% certain that Mullane came from Donaghmore, but on one occasion that was mentioned, so I'm also looking for some evidence to support that. The marriage most likely took place in Mourneabbey. Any established vital facts will help, like date of death, place of burial, would help. As I said, I have the names of 3 children - there may be others. I should perhaps add the names of the spouses of the 3 children:
Helen "Lena Mullane married John Joseph Twomey
Hannah Mullane married Thomas O'Connor
Jeremiah M "Jerome" Mullane married Mary Ann Coleman. (Jeremiah lived from Aug 1870 to Jun 1969).


I hope that makes the question clearer.

Wyldwood

Do you know where in Cork Cornelius Mullane lived? Have you searched the civil records for his death on irishgenealogy.ie? Did you look for his birth or the marriage in the church records https://registers.nli.ie/, presuming he was RC? I had a quick look at the Mourneabbey register but didn't see him between 1860 and 1875 so you might have to search neighbouring parishes.

pinkypinky

I presume you have his name then from his children's marriage certs?

Have you looked for their birth certs/baptismal records to see if they add any details?
www.irishgenealogy.ie is the place to start. Birth certs began in 1864.

Wyldwood

What evidence do you have that Jeremiah Mullane was born in 1870? There's a marriage on irishgenealogy.ie for a Jeremiah Mullane and Mary Anne Coleman in 1884. Father's name is Cornelius and he's listed as dead. The marriage took place in St Peter & Paul's church. Jeremiah's address is given as Commons Road. Does this look right? If so then Jeremiah couldn't have been born in 1870.

Helena married in 1900 and her address is 4 Commons Road.

brownangel

I thank each of you for looking into this for me.
Yes, I found the marriage register for Helena, and the death register, and that squares up. The information that I had on Jeremiah came from someone who is on Ancestry and I have no independent evidence to say it is correct. I have records to show that his two sisters were born between 1868 and 1872, so a year of birth of 1870 for Mr. Mullane is plausible. But as you say, he would only have been 14 in 1884, so something does not fit.

tabbey

brownangel wrote: »

The information that I had on Jeremiah came from someone who is on Ancestry.
But as you say, he would only have been 14 in 1884, so something does not fit.

You need to do your own research, do not just accept what somebody puts on a website.

Do it one step at a time.

Start with what you know, then go back to what you do not know.

Avoid short cuts; a chain is as strong as its weakest link.

brownangel

I should explain that my contact is a cousin on the American side and therefore has an interest and has provided some useful info.
I looked up the marriage record for Jeremiah Mullane and Mary Anne Coleman (in 1884) and my contact in the USA found a matching record in the 1910 census for New York for Jeremiah Mullane and Mary Anne Mullane, married 26 years, which matches exactly with 1884, and interestingly Jeremiah's age in the census gives a birth year of 1864, which resolves our difficulty, and would make him the eldest among known siblings and his mother would have been 25 at the time of his birth,all of which is plausible. Obviously, we had an incorrect dob for Jeremiah Mullane. So now, that issue is resolved.
I would still like to be able to link Jeremiah back to his presumed parents, Cornelius Mullane and Mary Healy, e.g. by means of a baptism record. I'm happy that some progress has been made and I thank those who contributed.

blue banana

I realise that you are looking for a wife/mother Mary but I thought this family looked like a close possibility but the mother is Catherine.

You should be able to access these by registering with a free account (E-mail and password) on findmypast.ie

https://www.findmypast.com/search/results?o=eventyear&d=asc&county=cork&datasetname=ireland%20roman%20catholic%20parish%20baptisms&fatherfirstname=cornelius&fatherfirstname_variants=true&fatherlastname=mullane&motherfirstname=cath&motherfirstname_variants=true&parish=mourneabbey~st.%20mary%27s%2c%20cork%20city&yearofbirth=1870&yearofbirth_offset=10

Either of these two marriages could be a match for the above family.
https://www.findmypast.com/search/results?datasetname=ireland+roman+catholic+parish+marriages&firstname=cornelius&firstname_variants=true&lastname=mullane&spouselastname=healy&spouselastname_variants=true

These are civil records for some of the children.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03354/2229724.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03178/2165578.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1875/03095/2134929.pdf

If they are all of the same family it looks like those born in the city were registered but those born in Mourneabbey were not.

You have probably looked at these records already. I could not locate a Hannah/Johanna, but the dates for Jeremiah and Ellen look plausible.

Wyldwood

I think blue banana has hit it on the head there as there's a death for Catherine Mullane of 60 Commons Road in Feb 1920 and the informant is Helena Twomey, daughter.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1920/05127/4411225.pdf

Her death notice is in the Examiner of 18 Feb 1920 and it says funeral was to Whitechurch cemetery & asks American papers to copy. You will be able to see the notice in the library local studies dept. either city library or County Hall if you don't have a subscription to the Newspaper archives (which are an invaluable source for research).

brownangel

That's excellent. I had suspected for a little while that the name might be Catherine and you've now confirmed it. Thank you all very much. Well done.

blue banana

More possibilities?

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1884/06330/4815266.pdf

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Cork_Urban_No__4/Commons_Road/1103703/

blue banana

I’m a bit tentative about this but I will throw it out there.

I always take ages on death certs etc with a pinch of salt, but if the Cornelius Mullane who died in 1884 is a match he was born ca. 1846. I cannot locate any Cornelius Mullane in Donoughmore for this timeframe. However, there is a Cornelius born in 1846 in Mourneabbey with a father Timothy. (The eldest child we have located for Cornelius was a Timothy born in 1863, following naming conventions.)

https://www.findmypast.com/search/results?o=eventyear&d=asc&datasetname=ireland%20roman%20catholic%20parish%20baptisms&fatherfirstname=tim&fatherfirstname_variants=true&fatherlastname=mullane&fatherlastname_variants=true&motherfirstname=bridget&motherfirstname_variants=true&parish=mourneabbey

brownangel

Blue banana, That's excellent work. I've dropped the idea of a Donaghmore link. From the birth register for son Daniel, which you located, they were living in Tureen (or Tooreen), before moving to the Blackpool / Commons Road area. I'm only aware of Timothy now for the first time. If it's a church record, Mourneabbey is the church, which is the parish.
Thanks for all your help.