Hyundai i30n

Specialun

im in the market for a new car at the moment. i like the look of the i30n so today i test drove it. what fun i had. when you put it into N mode the sound, feel power is so much fun

however dealers are unwilling to offer this on pcp and only offer hire purchase

this is scaring me away as if the car doesnt work out them im left with a car which is worth v little, at least with pcp you have a min value and a stage after 3 years

why would a dealer have all other cars besides this on pcp

do you think the car will depreciate alot in 4 years

will hyundai pack this i30n if they dont sell many

all opinions welcome

bazz26

I'd say they are anticipating high depreciation which would probably make PCP figures unprofitable for them. I'd also say Hyundai is not expecting large volume sales of the i30N either which is why they are not pusing PCP deals on it and prefer to focus on bread and butter models.

Lantus

Agree with above poster. This is a specialist car and they don't want a 3 year old hot hatch to come back their way. Plus the depreciation curve would likely be too high for pcp.

MTBD

I don't think these will depreciate badly at all. They are going to be very rare. They are already considerably undercutting the competition on price (a Golf GTI with the same spec is well down on power, less focused and about €5-7k more expensive.)

Also it's closer in performance/driving experience to stuff like the Golf R, Civic Type R but is priced more like the focus ST, Golf GTI etc.

Its also the only one that will still be under manufacturer's warranty after 3 years. They are also getting absolutely rave reviews and the exhaust note is like nothing else in the category.

It has a lot going for it. Hyundai Ireland aren't used to this market though so I'm not surprised they won't offer PCP.

bazz26

I'm sure if they could make money off them via PCP then they would offer it as it would surely make one more affordable for people to get into one these days. I'd say it's more a case they don't anticipate a huge uptake in the car in Ireland and PCP figures just wouldn't work. With VW having their own bank behind them they can offer way lower PCP interest rates than the likes of Hyundai, that and the fact the Golf GTi would retain more of it's value making PCP more attractive to buyers.

Philb76

Didn't top gear say it was better than the golf during there test

Lantus

It's nothing to do with car quality or ability. Pcp and car dealers in general want high volume and quick sales to keep stock moving and cash flowing. So cars that appeal to as many people as possible. A hot hatch isn't that car.

drunkmonkey

You can get it on PCP, you may need to go to certain dealers though.
It's available online with PCP and HP. It's coming in €100pm more than a 2019 245bhp Gti.
The right finance guy should be able to have the Gti and N at the same monthly figure.
https://hyundaifinance.ie/deposit-and-finance

bazz26

It's easy to make monthly figures lower, it's the difference in deposit, GFV and future equity you need to be wary of.

drunkmonkey

The GFV seem to be 1k lower than that of a GTI of the same starting sticker price.

bazz26

Yeah but resale value on the GTi would be stronger than the i30n I'd imagine so you would have more equity in it at the end of the term.

Henry Ford III

Interesting car.

p.s. Nobody here has much of a rashers regarding it's future value. It's mere guesswork most likely.

MTBD

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Interesting car.

p.s. Nobody here has much of a rashers regarding it's future value. It's mere guesswork most likely.

Great review. I think it is safe to say that it is very unlikely to depreciate particularly badly. Its got too much going for it in terms of warranty, performance and specification. It might take a few weeks to sell privately as it's aimed at a limited crowd but there will be a market for it.

kooga

The near €40k price for a new one is a bit steep. Interesting last night I was on the Hyundai uk website seeing what second hand prices are like

cheapest one I found was a jan 2018 for £22k in Belfast

DaveyDave

They're nice cars alright but I think they're really limiting their audience by pricing s Hyundai at GTI prices and not having a dual clutch transmission.

MTBD wrote: »

I don't think these will depreciate badly at all. They are going to be very rare. They are already considerably undercutting the competition on price (a Golf GTI with the same spec is well down on power, less focused and about €5-7k more expensive.)

Also it's closer in performance/driving experience to stuff like the Golf R, Civic Type R but is priced more like the focus ST, Golf GTI etc.

You do realise the 250hp i30N has the same performance as a 230hp GTI? The i30N is heavier, 0-60 times are the same. I wouldn't say 20hp is "well down on power" when the GTI does just as well.

Last I checked the GTI was only €500 more than the i30N. I think the only thing the i30N has over the GTI in terms of spec are 19" wheels and leather seats, which in my opinion are personal preference. You also have to keep in mind you're likely to get more back with a GTI when it's time to trade in for a new one.

I don't think you can compare an i30N to a 320hp Type R or AWD 310hp Golf R. Different beasts all together. Like I said the i30N looks like a nice car and competition is good. It seems to be reviewing well too but it's just too expensive.

grogi

Specialun wrote: »

all opinions welcome

Don't you have VW dealership around?

MTBD

DaveyDave wrote: »

They're nice cars alright but I think they're really limiting their audience by pricing s Hyundai at GTI prices and not having a dual clutch transmission.



You do realise the 250hp i30N has the same performance as a 230hp GTI? The i30N is heavier, 0-60 times are the same. I wouldn't say 20hp is "well down on power" when the GTI does just as well.

Last I checked the GTI was only €500 more than the i30N. I think the only thing the i30N has over the GTI in terms of spec are 19" wheels and leather seats, which in my opinion are personal preference. You also have to keep in mind you're likely to get more back with a GTI when it's time to trade in for a new one.

I don't think you can compare an i30N to a 320hp Type R or AWD 310hp Golf R. Different beasts all together. Like I said the i30N looks like a nice car and competition is good. It seems to be reviewing well too but it's just too expensive.

Hmmm I think you are wrong there. I have read a good few reviews now that say there is roughly a £4k difference when you option up a GTI to the same spec as a I30N. The 250bhp I30N isnt even available in Ireland. Only the 245bhp performance pack which comes with a real LSD and active exhaust.

https://www.carsireland.ie/2109318

That Golf has roughly the same kit as a I30N but is down on power and doesnt have the fruity exhaust. It's a used Demo and costs €7495 more than a brand new 191 reg I30N can be bought for. Aside from the DSG I dont think that Golf has anything that isnt standard on the Hyundai. And its 3 year warranty is already almost 6 months old.

I've driven the I30N and the GTI and I think the Hyundai is a much more hardcore car. It feels like a class above the GTI in terms of performance and dynamics. You say not to compare it to the Golf R, but I dont think the Golf R is anywhere near a Civic Type R in terms of driving pleasure while the Hyundai is definitely closer to it than any Golf. Pistonheads even gave the Hyundai the nod over the new Megane Trophy RS. That is definitely a car in a league above the GTI.

Two years extra unlimited mileage warranty on a car like that is also worth a fair bit of money that isnt obvious in the list price/options. The warranty of the Hyundai even covers track use.

The one thing that lets the Hyundai down is its interior. Its not a special place to be with very few styling upgrades.

Still thats just my opinion and I get that some people like an "all rounder", I just find that when an all rounder is from certain brands "all rounder" becomes "too compromised". And that is what I think the Golf is.

MarkN

I'm possibly one of a few here who have driven the Civic Type R, Golf R and i30N and to be honest the i30N really doesn't feel a hell of a lot slower. Power delivery is very punchy and it handles very well. On paper it suggests there's a lot in it but in reality it's a very good, much cheaper underdog.

MTBD

OSI wrote: »

DSG, Panoramic Sunroof, Climate Control, Adaptive Cruise Control, Front Assist and Digital Dash are pretty significant items that are specced on that Golf and not on a i30N.

Isn't DSG a no cost option on Golfs? The I30N comes with climate control, emergency autonomous braking, parking sensors front and rear and it has lane assist which that Golf doesn't. It doesnt have adaptive cruise control, digital dash or the sunroof but then it has features the Golf doesnt have like leather seats, memory seats, rev matching.

Also, I dont think not offering DSG is a bad thing when they give you rev matching as standard. It works brilliantly and thats exactly what I would choose if I had the choice.

grogi

MTBD wrote: »

Isn't DSG a no cost option on Golfs?

Who cares how much it costs? It is there in the Golf, i30N does not have it.

Also, I dont think not offering DSG is a bad thing when they give you rev matching as standard. It works brilliantly and thats exactly what I would choose if I had the choice.

I see your point. VW should be cheaper because they saved on the third pedal Sorry - but unless you are into breaking Mondello records, the convenience of autobox is hard to be overrated.

Our brains have limited processing capacity and although manual shifting might seem like automatic, it really uses our head.


It is great that there is performance compact like i30n. Nothing better for customer than a bit of competition - especially when marques like Ford and GM are making nervous moves... But recently Hyudai got very cocky with their pricing - an IMVHO European offerings are much better long term.

Peugoet 308 GT seems like a good option as well - 225 bhp for €34k....

MTBD

grogi wrote: »

But recently Hyudai got very cocky with their pricing - an IMVHO European offerings are much better long term.

The mind boggles. So Hyundai are arrogant for charging less, offering more power, better Dynamics and vastly more standard kit. And then they cap off their arrogance by giving a goddam 5 year track day approved warranty. What a shower of cocky bell ends.

Meanwhile VW remain grounded by offering you none of that and charging more...

Some brains certainly do seem to have limited processing capacity...

grogi

MTBD wrote: »

The mind boggles. So Hyundai are arrogant for charging less, offering more power, better Dynamics and vastly more standard kit.

If you are new to the game, you simply cannot charge as much as the well established players.

Specialun

grogi wrote: »

Don't you have VW dealership around?

huh

MTBD

grogi wrote: »

If you are new to the game, you simply cannot charge as much as the well established players.

I just gave you a link to a similarly specified GTI performance and it is €8k more for a less powerful used demo car. How much should Hyundai be charging in your opinion? And do you think VW deserve the extra money simply because they are VW or because they have built a substantially better car? And if so what do you base that on since you haven't been in an i30N?

DSG seems to be your only argument so far and as I said the manual VW costs exactly the same price. And Hyundai are working on a Dual Clutch version and a 4WD version.

https://www.motor1.com/news/236652/hyundai-i30-n-dual-clutch/

With regards to the claim that a €32k demo is somehow unusual...it's definitely not. There are Cupra 300s being sold with €8000 knocked off the rrp. That's a very good deal but it's basically what a demo should cost. Besides there are two demo i30n for sale at the moment and they are both €37k and having tried to bargain both down I know the dealers are not budging on them. I think you are just making stuff up or else misread the asking price. There are only two Hyundai dealers in the country selling i30N so I'd be amazed if they sold one demonstrator for 32 and won't budge on the others for 5k more....

OP, I would definitely go for one. I came very close to putting a deposit down last week but I'm probably going to bring one in from the UK next year instead as I don't buy new cars.

MTBD

OSI wrote: »

DSG is a near 3k extra. Feel free to ignore that as well though.

As well as what? From what I can tell youve ignored everything in my post rather than the other way around.

I just checked, it's an €1800 option actually.

Anyway, here is an opinion from a reviewer with more knowledge than either of us.

https://www.pistonheads.com/regulars/ph-fleet/hyundai-i30-n-performance-ph-fleet/39223

"For starters, the i30 N never fully shuts up like the Golf. So wound back is a GTI in Comfort mode that it'd be easy to confuse it for a base TSI. The i30 N never stoops so low. Were you blindfolded and in ski gloves, you'd know you were certainly not in a stock Korean hatchback. The burly engine note and always-weighty steering ensure that. The difference is that the i30 N is a sports hatch that's easy to live with, rather than a family hatchback with an attitude."

And that's exactly why I would have it. Its a proper hard edged car. And that is something that is a complete rarity these days especially at that price point.

MarkN

I really don’t see the point of the handbag stuff about hot hatches.

The VW GTI is an icon, some love that, others hate it. Nearly every hot hatch has to compete with a GTI whether it’s a better car or not because the brand is so strong that people will always think of it as the one that sells itself.

The Focus ST has been a better car in a couple of models but it’s still not a GTI. Astra OPC was a much faster car than the MKV, it still wasn’t a GTI. That’s the point!

The i30N is a great car, does it have to be cheaper or at least offer better spec than a GTI to get noticed? Absolutely.

Whether that bugs you or not is up to yourself but I wouldn’t be losing sleep over whether one person likes a GTI or a i30N over the other, it’s all marketing basically!

AMKC

I seen one of these up in Dublin last week driving along the quays heading into town. It was a red 182 and it looked really good.

MarkN

They are great fun!

sunnysoutheast

DCT/DSG version due end of 2019 I believe.

Could be tempted for the old mid-life crisis!

what the hell!

Hope it's ok to give this a bit of a bump. I'm half looking at this 182 demo. http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/hyundai/i30/fpa/201810301972328 What would people think?

kooga

what the hell! wrote: »

Hope it's ok to give this a bit of a bump. I'm half looking at this 182 demo. http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/hyundai/i30/fpa/201810301972328 What would people think?

Given that the car will be two years old in a few weeks it’s a lot we’dhen you consider the price of a new one/ are there any other ones for sale ?

Plus worth doing a search on Hyundai uk the last time I checked there were two for sale in Belfast with Hyundai dealers and one in Fermanagh- they might be gone !

DaveyDave

Pretty sure Joe Duffy VW have a 2 year old GTI DSG for that money?

what the hell!

Thanks guys. I actually went in to price a new one down here in Cork earlier and they have a 192 demo in but the deal he was giving me was crazy. I’d get a new Cupra for a good bit cheaper and I think I prefer the look and the interior of the Cupra. Couldn’t see that GTI in Joe Duffy’s?

sk8board

I've been tracking the i30N as a replacement for my 420d, and the better value ones are selling quickly/instantly.
I think a top spec Performance is €42k new, and theres 3-4 192's for sale at €39k with delivery mileage, so that price is a bit high for 18 months old. Cheapest one on carzone is 32k for a 181, which is 'only' €9-10k depreciation from 24 months driving. if that was the reality, I'd buy new in the morning, however I don't believe it. also remember there aren't many around, so its pretty rare and the fear us 2nd hand hot-hatch buyers have is that they have been ragged.

I'd avoid the boring colours personally, and look at the blue/red/white performance models. If you could get one of those delivery mileage 192's for a better deal (37/38k?) it would be great value IMHO.

As someone else said, you could get a dsg GTI for similar ish money to that 182 and less future depreciation probably (something I've owned and loved), and the tax is €3x0 versus €5x0 in the i30N (almost sure of that, but open to correction).
That said, as a manual hot hatch, the i30N is top of my pile, and then the fiesta ST3 (which is about €30k brand new and worth a thought if you don't need the rear/boot space).

kooga

I agree with above

very few second hand models out there

just to follow up on a uk import - i put in a 2018 model which a dealer in belfast has for £18,300 into the VRT Calculator an dthe VRt is just under €8,500.

just bear in mind that in the UK there is a 250bhp model as well.