screwing into fence

by8auj6csd3ioq

I need to screw a 2x1 into a fence which one inch thick and an inch into a stake behind the fence

So through the one inch of the 2x1 through the one inch width of the fence and about an inch into the stake

Will the 2x1 crack and should I drill the hole in the 2x1 first? Should i use a plug like indoors?

Lex Luthor

I always drill a pilot hole through wood before screwing in using a screw generally if its more than 4mm diameter screw

1-2mm smaller pilot hole is sufficient

Calahonda52

what material is the stake?
how deep is the stake?

I would suggest drill the 2 by 1 and the fence and, assuming timber, 40mm into the stake
If you are using 5 mm screws, drill with a 4.5mm for the first two layers

seamus

+1 on the pilot hole, especially into solid wood.

You'll often get away without one into chipboard or MDF (though I still would), but solid wood will split if you try to screw anything straight in.

Lumen

I'd use blunted galvanized nails and/or 70mm decking screws driven deep with no pre-drilling.

looksee

Agreed the 2x1 will split, drill an almost full size pilot hole in the 2x1. If the stake is timber you do not need a plug.

by8auj6csd3ioq

Lumen wrote: »

I'd use blunted galvanized nails and/or 70mm decking screws driven deep with no pre-drilling.

to make a pilot hole? Or just nail it on?

by8auj6csd3ioq

Thanks everyone

by8auj6csd3ioq

Calahonda52 wrote: »

what material is the stake?
how deep is the stake?

I would suggest drill the 2 by 1 and the fence and, assuming timber, 40mm into the stake
If you are using 5 mm screws, drill with a 4.5mm for the first two layers

The stake is wood a 4x4

by8auj6csd3ioq

looksee wrote: »

Agreed the 2x1 will split, drill an almost full size pilot hole in the 2x1. If the stake is timber you do not need a plug.

i know i do not need a plug just wondered if it woul be more secure

Should i make a pilot holes in the stake too

fiacha

Another vote for a pilot hole in the 2x1 and the fence.

Having clearance for the screw through the other layers actually makes it easier for them to pull together when the screw grabs the stake.

I'd aim to go more than 1" into the stake.

by8auj6csd3ioq

fiacha wrote: »

Another vote for a pilot hole in the 2x1 and the fence.

Having clearance for the screw through the other layers actually makes it easier for them to pull together when the screw grabs the stake.

I'd aim to go more than 1" into the stake.

no pilot hole in stake?

This?
https://www.woodies.ie/diy/screws-and-fixings/nails-and-screws/reisser-r2-m5-x-80-woodscrew-tub-400pk-1151846

Lumen

Jasper Thankful Leg wrote: »

to make a pilot hole? Or just nail it on?

Not to make pilot holes.

It depends what it's for.

Nails are strong in shear, so will hold something up.

Screws are strong in tension, so will hold something on.

I know that best practice in carpentry is to pilot hole for screws (and even for nails, if they're those fupping enormous 6 inch ones), but in my experience of high quality self-drilling screws (e.g. Spax torx heads) up to 6mm, it is not necessary. But I'm not going to argue with anyone who says it is.

Lex Luthor

Jasper Thankful Leg wrote: »

no pilot hole in stake?

This?
https://www.woodies.ie/diy/screws-and-fixings/nails-and-screws/reisser-r2-m5-x-80-woodscrew-tub-400pk-1151846

do you need 400?

by8auj6csd3ioq

Lex Luthor wrote: »

do you need 400?

i was just asking about the length

Calahonda52

Jasper Thankful Leg wrote: »

i was just asking about the length

25+25+40= 90 minimum, as the stake is 100, go 100 mm screws

tabby aspreme

Use 5mm / 90mm screws, drill a 5mm hole in the lath and the fence and 3mm hole in the stake

lgk

And buy your screws in a builders providers and save yourself quite a few quid!