The Great Housing Solution (?!)

mammajamma

We have a housing crisis (homelessness, ownership, rent, affordability, you name it). And a few other crises too, but nevermind that.

Funnily enough, there was no housing crisis during the recession, yet during the "good times" people cant find an economically suitable place to live. hm!

Curiously, we have had an increase of naturalised citizens (new irish) of about 250'000 in the last 5 years. Oh!

Weirdly, another 250'000 immigration are aimed to be completed this year alone (all visas, study, work, naturalisation etc). Huh!

And then theres the national development plan of an additional million people by 2040. http://npf.ie/draft-of-ireland-2040/

New policy proposals from the ESRI suggest that we need more and more immigration in order to build housing. These new immigrants certainly will not need housing, and will certainly return home after all work is done.(https://www.esri.ie/pubs/RN20180401.pdf

A tasty nugget from the research:

"Inward migration is a potentially important source of labour in an Irish context and can help to reduce upward wage inflation in key sectors of the domestic labour market."

In reality translates to...

"cheap labour from abroad will keep irish peoples wages down"

Also, labour are pushing a new bill to allow the children of non-irish parents born here to become automatic irish citizens. The controversial "anchor baby" thing. What will happen when the parents are not allowed stay here, but the child is? Guess we'll have to take them all, throw in a few cousins too, why not? https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/government-will-not-support-bill-on-citizenship-for-all-irish-born-children-1.3704268

All in all, just from the single aspect of housing, we don't have enough suitable accommodation COMBINED with an ever increasing amount of people being allowed into the country, COMBINED with a push for more and more.

1+1 = 3

Do we have the lowest IQ people in the universe running the country, is it sheer greed, or is it both?

Chips Lovell

You're definitely in the running for the....how can they work the most tenuous link into there obesssison/issue/ rant award.

mammajamma

mariaalice wrote: »

You're definitely in the running for the....how can they work the most tenuous link into there obesssison/issue/ rant award.

Basic mathematics is "tenuous"?

Do you have some more reliable source of information on which to base your opinion?

Boom_Bap

mammajamma wrote: »

Basic mathematics is "tenuous"?

Do you have some more reliable source of information on which to base your opinion?

I have a source that backs up the opinion, but i'm not telling you.

Your post : you have managed to work a blame the foreigners/ racist post on to an issue about the shortage of skilled construction worker having on effect on the construction of housing.

mammajamma

Boom_Bap wrote: »

I have a source that backs up the opinion, but i'm not telling you.

Does this make sense to any of you? We don't have enough housing, so we need more people to build more housing. What?

lalababa

Policies driven by greed of vested interests and people who are well off, coupled with stupidity. No sustainable long term new plan. But what do you expect? Look at the clusterf**k that is Dublin City planning. To be repeated ad nauseum in Cork and Galway.
Build a boom including cheap labour from abroad...rich get richyer quickyer......have a busted flush....Irish people out of a job can f**k off to Auz/Can/USA/Dubai......rich buy property back at low price...rinse & repeat.
Still it kinda works , esp. for the people with personal capital which there are alot of, at least there's something happening. Some money is being circulated. Nobody is starving.
And there shouldn't be much of a housing problem for awhile after the next crash. Coz the young crowd will frigg off eh!

Twenty Grand

Always the immigrants.

Why don't we ban people from rural areas migrating to cities?

mammajamma

mariaalice wrote: »

Your post : you have managed to work a blame the foreigners/ racist post on to an issue about the shortage of skilled construction worker having on effect on the construction of housing.

Quite the contrary. You have managed to turn reported statistics and policy proposals into "racism!"

That's a far better display of mental gymnastics.

So now that you've got the "racism!" off your chest, care to say anything about the actual numbers?

emo72

It'd be great if we could raise the issue without being called racist. That would be a start.

Deebles McBeebles

Twenty Grand wrote: »

Always the immigrants.

Why don't we ban people from rural areas migrating to cities?

Long as the opposite is done too

RobbieTheRobber

Twenty Grand wrote: »

Always the immigrants.

Why don't we ban people from rural areas migrating to cities?

Its even worse than that, as the children of these people from the country who move to Dublin then later in life also want to live in Dublin.

Its time they all went home so Dublin people can have Dublin houses.

mammajamma

lalababa wrote: »

Policies driven by greed of vested interests and people who are well off, coupled with stupidity. No sustainable long term new plan. But what do you expect? Look at the clusterf**k that is Dublin City planning. To be repeated ad nauseum in Cork and Galway.
Build a boom including cheap labour from abroad...rich get richyer quickyer......have a busted flush....Irish people out of a job can f**k off to Auz/Can/USA/Dubai......rich buy property back at low price...rinse & repeat.
Still it kinda works , esp. for the people with personal capital which there are alot of, at least there's something happening. Some money is being circulated. Nobody is starving.
And there shouldn't be much of a housing problem for awhile after the next crash. Coz the young crowd will frigg off eh!

Its not a conspiracy, as you say it is probably the combined efforts of idiocy and greed from multiple sources.

The sheer magnitude of delusion is such that you can easily see how some people choose to believe in conspiracies. "They cant be THAT short-sighted, surely?! Must be more to it".

Bob Harris

AH has become an awful fucking bore lately with the housing crisis and politics ad nauseam.

Boom_Bap

Bob Harris wrote: »

AH has become an awful fucking bore lately with the housing crisis and politics ad nauseam.

We should get the politicians to build the houses

Deebles McBeebles

Boom_Bap wrote: »

We should get the politicians to build the houses

Exclusively for AH users.

Boom_Bap

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Exclusively for AH users.

AH users will be the architects

freshpopcorn

Mod Note Thread closed you had another one here last week on the housing issue.